Spurs should have traded Dejounte to grab Hachimura. The Spurs most talented guards are White and Walker IV. Dejounte is redundancy that the Spurs can trade away.
Spurs can start mining the 21-24 year old "busts". Lyles is one of them, but maybe take a look at Yabusele.
Don’t worry about who; answer my question first then we will get into that. Are you against using future picks to secure a starting caliber player based on how this team is currently constructed and their near future outlook?
That’s what I thought. Can’t have an honest conversation; only here to pick little fights to entertain yourself. All good - duly noted
Right. I just don’t think trading Bertans to sign Morris was a bold move.
And the point I’m making now is a “Bold” move in what you want would include moving Patty or Belli or Forbes or even our good young assets.
Spurs aren’t ready to do so for the reasons I stated in my other post. But that can change as the season goes...
Last edited by coachmac87; 07-12-2019 at 12:51 PM.
Lyles looks like Austin Daye 2.0. I hope I'm wrong.
Good Riddance!! We don't need Morris...we need players who want to be here and not cause issues...it's just unfortunate that we lose 3-point shooting in Bertans although he wasn't great defensively. Maybe Chip can do something with Lyles or the Spurs can find another diamond in the rough.
Errors sucks he will be in Pop dog house and will never be seen again.
Just for the sake of argument, how many times do you think having a player on a non-guaranteed contract has helped as a trade piece. We see it all the time across all sports where teams are willing to take players that they normally wouldn’t to make the numbers work because they can simply waive them (which is far more favorable to a buyout) after the trade is completed. I know I’m taking the optimistic stance here - which after these shenanigans is really difficult right now, considering that I’m just as upset as you are at how the whole Marcus Morris thing went down.
I never said moving the young assets. I really said that unless it’s for a true star, which is unlikely, that the only assets that make sense is using future picks to improve.
They tried Bertans, it didn’t work. Now onto a more aggressive plan using picks. I don’t think losing Bertans was a small deal. Definitely not a huge deal and preferred to losing picks, but I think it shows SA believes they needed a real starting caliber upgrade. That doesn’t go away because Morris did.
Well since the rules have changed regarding partial guarantees and trades, it’s not quite as effective any longer. Have no issues with trade ballast, but the “low guarantee” type deal is not as powerful as it once was.
So sad that a big chunk of the fanbase thinks moving Forbes, Beli, or a 1st rounder (when they have a ton of young guys to develop already) for a solid rotational piece is a "bold" move.
Point taken. I wasn’t aware of the rule changes in that regard.
So ... Trey Lyles hasn't actually signed his contract yet. You'd think Klutch would get that contract signed ASAP, tbh.
DPF, your thoughts?
So if he renegs too, which Klutch client do you think they should get next?
They have to find him to get his physical. He's in hiding because he doesn't want to play basketball.
Is Ricky Williams still alive?
Forbes and first rounders are more valuable to Spurs than they are to other teams. I don't think we would get back anyone with better value.So sad that a big chunk of the fanbase thinks moving Forbes, Beli, or a 1st rounder (when they have a ton of young guys to develop already) for a solid rotational piece is a "bold" move.
This is a board where people think a late first rounder can get Justise Winslow.
Is Carroll and gay strong enough to play the Robert Horry role for the whole season?
I strongly disagree tbh. Sure, the 1st rounder is probably more valuable to the Spurs than to other teams but they already have a lot of promising young guys they need to keep and develop.
Forbes is an undrafted, undersized SG. Kudos to him for working hard and being an NBA player but he's not untouchable by any means.
You testing me
There is just no way that this could happen again, nope nope nope
I think Forbes will always be worth keeping (the way the franchise kept Patty - in no way defending his bad contract) because other teams can't see Forbes playing as well for them as he is for the Spurs. My defense of keeping him is that he is a good Spurs system shooter and a good towel waver and a player who will never take for granted the chance and support the Spurs gave him. (Interviews and work ethic says it all) Our young guys are progressing so well I think Forbes pushing everyone despite being such an underdog to take their minutes really pushes EVERYONE. Who would've thought this guy would be our starter and probably was our best player in Game 7 of the playoffs.
Secondly, Draft picks are always valuable even if you have young guys. For a small market team we may have to let Poeltl, White, Murray go if they get over-priced offers (You know at least half of them will once they hit free agency). Plus Spurs are near the top at drafting so, trading away draft picks must be for someone that is a "sure thing".
I'll bet a guy like Bertans (deep bench guy for the Spurs) is much more valuable to other team than Forbes (our possible starter), which is why losing Bertans for nothing was a bitter pill to swallow.
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