So guilt by association.
Glad you cleared that up.
lol derp
So guilt by association.
Glad you cleared that up.
lol derp
... doesn't prove Moore wasn't, isn't a pedophile, at very least he's a creep who obsesses about teen girls many years under his age.
And it's ing Alabama
Last edited by boutons_deux; 07-17-2019 at 03:51 PM.
Folks on my "side" will let Bill Clinton rot if he's implicated in child trafficking or underage sex. Democrats forced Al Franken to resign his Senate seat over a pretend-groping photo, you really think there's going to be a mass of Democrats crying "fake news" in defense of Bill Clinton?
Franken. Wiener. Ralph Northam. There is simply no equivalence between how Democrats react to scandal vs. how Trump supporters react, and to imply so is ludicrous. Trump people will blame the media, blame the deep state, blame Democrats, cry "witch hunt," whatever it takes to deflect blame, taking cues from their commander.
I don't really see what relevance Pedo Roy's scandal has in a discussion of whether Democrats will turn against one of their own, but glad you were able to get that out of your system.
Give a link to one of those sites.
I'm willing to bet you simply don't know what you're talking about.
The flight logs prove he was on the plane for ~20 flights total.
Not one flight to Epstein's island.
So you go right ahead and show where you got your information.
Here's where I got mine -- the actual flight logs:
https://www.do entcloud.org/do e...manifests.html
It's true and you will never admit it.
flight logs show he's been on the plane. none of them show him going to that island, as far as i'm aware
Correct. One of Epstein's victims placed Clinton on the island in an affidavit.
https://www.scribd.com/doc/267173868...dium=affiliate
You entertain mere allegations as confirmed truth on other topics, but not this one.
One wonders what might account for the difference.
Quite a dearth of links from Trumpistas.
TSA must've finally gotten around to actually reading the flight logs since he shut the up about those too.
I'm all for bringing wrongdoers to justice, but you have to have, you know, actual evidence and not twitter wishcasting. That goes for Republicans and Democrats. At this point, the guilt by association applies just as much to Trump as it does to Clinton.
Placed him there doing what, TSA?
Do you believe her claim that Trump supporter Dershowitz raped her?
This is where TSA shuts the up again.
I entertain allegations until they are blown the up like this one.
Are you entertaining that Dershowitz rape claim you posted?
Yes or no.
lol TSA
interesting when an accused words are only accepted wholesale when the partisan optics are to your liking
I was just showing you where the claim of Clinton being on the island came from. You are free to call the victim a liar if you wish.
Oh, this one is a victim.
OK, you just accused Dershowitz of rape.
You just accused Clinton of....nothing....
lol TSA
YOU claimed that only "Trumpers" "refused to accept reality" if it didn't suit their narratives.
I countered and asserted that EVERYONE here chooses to view the world with the partisan optics they have developed over the course of their respective lives. EVERYONE, including the folks on your side of the aisle.
Your statement is laced with denial that this behavior is intrinsic to us all. The fact that you choose not to see it, while lecturing conservatives about perspective and objectivity is laughable though.
Last edited by Phenomanul; 07-17-2019 at 05:42 PM.
Ok... I'll admit that the logs don't specifically show Clinton flying to the island. Much like it doesn't even show Epstein flying to his own property. Either way President Clinton was questioned about flying with Epstein and admitted to only being on 4 trips with him... but the flight log shows more... So why lie about it?
Flight Manifest - Excerpts
1st U.S. trip not mentioned by Clinton
Feb. 9, 2002 MIA to HPN (Miami to Westchester) Flight No. 57 Bill Clinton, 4 Secret Service, 2 males, 1 female, JG, GM [Ghislaine Maxwell], SK [Sarah Kellen], AP
1st European trip mentioned by Clinton
Feb. 19, 2002 JFK to EGGW (NYC to London) Flight No. 75 Bill Clinton, Doug Band, 3 Secret Service, JG, GM [Ghislaine Maxwell], SK [Sarah Kellen]
Feb. 21, 2002 EGGW to JFK (London to NYC) Flight No. 76 Bill Clinton, Doug Band, 10 Secret Service, JG, GM [Ghislaine Maxwell], SK [Sarah Kellen], Naomi Campbell, 1 male
1st Asian trip (only one Asian trip mentioned by Clinton)
May 22, 2002 RJTA to VHHH (Naval Air Facility Atsugi in Japan to Hong Kong International Airport) Flight No. 100 JG, GM [Ghislaine Maxwell], SK [Sarah Kellen], President Bill Clinton, MCKG, Doug Band, Janice, Jessica, [two or three illegible names] No Secret Service Listed
May 23, 2002 VHHH to ZGSZ (Hong Kong International Airport to Shenzhen Bao'an International Airport in China) Flight No. 101 JG, GM [Ghislaine Maxwell], SK [Sarah Kellen], President Bill Clinton, MCKG, Doug Band, Janice, Jessica, [two or three illegible names] No Secret Service Listed
May 23, 2002 ZGSZ to WSSS (Shenzhen Bao'an International Airport in China to Singapore Changi Airport) Flight No. 102 JG, GM [Ghislaine Maxwell], SK [Sarah Kellen], President Bill Clinton, MCKG, Doug Band, Janice, Jessica, [two or three illegible names] No Secret Service Listed
May 25, 2002 WSSS to VTBD (Singapore Changi Airport to Don Mueang International Airport in Bangkok, Thailand) Flight No. 103 JG, GM [Ghislaine Maxwell], SK [Sarah Kellen], President Bill Clinton, MCKG, Doug Band, Janice, Jessica, [two or three illegible names] No Secret Service Listed
May 25, 2002 VTBD to WBSB (Don Mueang International Airport in Bangkok, Thailand to Brunei International Airport) Flight No. 104 JG, GM [Ghislaine Maxwell], SK [Sarah Kellen], President Bill Clinton, MCKG, Doug Band, Janice, Jessica, [two or three illegible names] No Secret Service Listed
1st African trip mentioned by Clinton
July 13, 2002 GMME to LPAZ (RabatSalι Airport in Morocco to Santa Maria Airport in the Azores) Flight No. 122 JE, GM [Ghislaine Maxwell], SK [Sarah Kellen], AP, CL, President Clinton, Doug Band, Mike, 8 Secret Service
July 13, 2002 LPAZ to JFK (Santa Maria Airport in the Azores to NYC) Flight No. 123 JE, GM [Ghislaine Maxwell], SK [Sarah Kellen], AP, CL, President Bill Clinton, Doug Band, Mike, 8 Secret Service
2nd African trip mentioned by Clinton
Sept. 21, 2002 JFK to LPAZ (NYC to Santa Maria Airport in the Azores) Flight No. 136 President William J. Clinton, Kevin Spacey, Chris Tucker, JG, GM [Ghislaine Maxwell], [one or two illegible names], SK [Sarah Kellen], CL, Chauntae Davies, Andrea Metrovich, Doug Band, David Slang, Jim Kennery, Eric Nouncs, Rodney Slater, Casey and Laura Wasserman, Ron Burkle, Gayle Smith No Secret Service Listed
Sept. 22, 2002 LPAZ to DGAA (Santa Maria Airport in the Azores to Kotoka International Airport in Ghana) President William J. Clinton, Kevin Spacey, Chris Tucker, JG, GM [Ghislaine Maxwell], [one or two illegible names], SK [Sarah Kellen], CL, Chauntae Davies, Andrea Metrovich, Doug Band, David Slang, Jim Kennery, Eric Nouncs, Rodney Slater, Casey and Laura Wasserman, Ron Burkle, Gayle Smith No Secret Service Listed
Sept. 23, 2002 DGAA to DNAA (Kotoka International Airport in Ghana to Nnamdi Azikiwe International Airport in Nigeria) President William J. Clinton, Kevin Spacey, Chris Tucker, JG, GM [Ghislaine Maxwell], [one or two illegible names], SK [Sarah Kellen], CL, Chauntae Davies, Andrea Metrovich, Doug Band, David Slang, Jim Kennery, Eric Nouncs, Rodney Slater, Casey and Laura Wasserman, Ron Burkle, Gayle Smith No Secret Service Listed
Sept. 24, 2002 DNAA to HRYR (Nnamdi Azikiwe International Airport in Nigeria to Kigali International Airport in Rwanda) Same as above less Ron Burkle No Secret Service Listed
Sept. 25, 2002 HRYR to FQMA (Kigali International Airport in Rwanda to Maputo International Airport in Mozambique) Same as above plus Ira Magaziner No Secret Service Listed
Sept. 26, 2002 FQMA to FACT (Maputo International Airport in Mozambique to Cape Town International Airport) Same as above No Secret Service Listed
Sept. 27, 2002 FACT to FAJS (Cape Town International Airport to O. R. Tambo International Airport in South Africa) Same as above less JG, GM [Ghislaine Maxwell], SK [Sarah Kellen], CL, Chauntae Davies, Andrea Metrovich No Secret Service Listed
Sept. 28, 2002 FAJS to FACT (O. R. Tambo International Airport in South Africa to Cape Town International Airport) Same as above less Gayle Smith, Ira Magaziner No Secret Service Listed
Sept. 29, 2002 FACT to DGAA (Cape Town International Airport to Kotoka International Airport in Ghana) Same as above add JG, GM [Ghislaine Maxwell], JK, CL, CD, AM No Secret Service Listed
Sept. 29, 2002 DGAA to LFPB (Kotoka International Airport in Ghana to Paris Airport-Le Bourget) Same as above No Secret Service Listed
Sept. 29, 2002 LFPB to EGGW (Paris Airport-Le Bourget to London Luton Airport) Same as above less JG, SK [Sarah Kellen], CD, Laura and Casey Wasserman No Secret Service Listed
October 1, 2002 EGGW to LFPB (London Luton Airport to Paris Le Bourget) GM [Ghislaine Maxwell], Nick and Edwina Simmons No Secret Service Listed
Oct. 2, 2002 LFPB to JFK (Paris Le Bourget to NYC) JG, GM [Ghislaine Maxwell], SK [Sarah Kellen], CL, Andrea Metrovich, Naomi Campbell No Secret Service Listed
2nd Asian trip (only one Asian trip mentioned by Clinton)
Nov.5, 2003 ENGM to UNNT (Oslo Airport in Norway to Novosibirsk Tolmachevo Airport in Siberia) Flight No. 228 JG, AM, GM [Ghislaine Maxwell], SK [Sarah Kellen], Doug Band, 4 Secret Service, President Bill Clinton
Nov. 6, 2003 UNNT to VHHH (Novosibirsk Tolmachevo Airport in Siberia to Hong Kong International Airport) Flight No. 229 JG, AM, GM [Ghislaine Maxwell], SK [Sarah Kellen], Doug Band, 4 Secret Service, President Bill Clinton
Nov. 9, 2003 VHHH to ZUUU (Hong Kong International Airport to Chengdu Shuangliu International Airport in China) Flight No. 230 JG, AM, GM [Ghislaine Maxwell], SK [Sarah Kellen], Doug Band, IRA Magaziner (?), 4 Secret Service, President Bill Clinton
Nov. 9, 2003 ZUUU to ZBAA (Chengdu Shuangliu International Airport in China to Beijing Capital International Airport) Flight No. 231 JG, AM, GM [Ghislaine Maxwell], SK [Sarah Kellen], Doug Band, [three, four, or five illegible names], President Bill Clinton
So you're moving the goalpost to where now?
You're the one ing about evidence of crimes.
You have none here.
Period.
Don't be a hypocrite.
VIDEO: Trump & Epstein Discuss "Hot" Women at Party
Thanks Scoop.
Epstein good now
Oh it's one of Chris's but..but posts.
LOL your first grade reading comprehension. I specifically said none of us can ascertain truth from lies, because these days any digital piece of "evidence" can be doctored to support whatever agenda the editor desires.
I specifically said the flight logs weren't validated as truth. But I guess you glossed over that.
But go ahead and pat yourself on the back. Twist my words... spin 'em.
'twas but months ago that you were raving about how Mueller's team had 'evidence' that would force Trump out of the White House. How did that turn out? A whole group of anti-Trump lawyers working two years straight, with an unlimited budget, all looking to trip-up No. 45, looking to destroy those in his inner circle and bring down his entire administration. In the end of the day all that matters is that he still sits in the Oval Office, and that they were unsuccessful. The fact that you others here still believe that Trump colluded with Russians to change the outcome of the 2016 Election is the utmost rejection of reality. Don't presume to lecture me about "moving goalposts" when your entire schtick is based on the abject denial of anything which you find inconvenient. Such as the fact that Mueller's team couldn't incriminate Trump with an actual crime - not one. When it suits your narrative your antics become asinine, annoying, condescending and childish to the point where people can't engage in actual discourse with you. It must be a joy being you.
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