If we were all vegan, humans would produce much more methane.
Do we need to kill off all the farting herbivores or just the cows?
If we were all vegan, humans would produce much more methane.
And all that methane from permafrost melt -- it's from vegetation that predates the industrial revolution. It's like the earth's climate changed or something. No vehicles required.
no need to kill any off. there's pretty good evidence that naturally occurruing methane production is virtually completely offset by natural methane sinks. at this point i'm content to start with livestock farming.
any increase would be negligible compared to the amount we'd decrease from livestock farming. we're simply different creatures with different digestive systems. vegans aren't going to live off grass. its the microbes that help cows digest grass which are creating the methane.
nobody ever said that methane/CO2 can only come from artificial sources. this is a nonstop strawman i hear from this crowd. "HURR DURR THERE WERE NO SUV'S MILLIONS OF YEARS AGO"
there is an existing cycle where methane is created by some sources and absorbed by others (see the very top of my response here, to snakeboy). consider pouring water from a faucet into a pasta strainer. sure you can keep filling water, but the strainer also keeps releasing. now if instead of your sink faucet, you start dumping 5 gallon buckets of water into the pasta strainer, it will overflow, because you are grossly changing one side of the equation.
the methane being exposed from permafrost is a huge deal. as stated before, methane is a much more potent greenhouse gas than CO2. it hasn't been the primary culprit because methane emission totals pale in comparison to CO2 emissions. but if we start getting big increases in methane production from soil exposed beneath permafrost, that's a big deal (regardless of how that methane was originally produced). we are still the ones causing the permafrost to give way to the methane emissions, further tilting the balance (aka positive feedback loop)
What made the permafrost melt?
Well in that case what if we just replace cows with a non domesticated animal like bison. Their farts would be natural so nature would gobble them up.
Confess.....sinners
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/special...hange-n1054791
Not like a religion or anything.
You think there are only religious confessions?
who forwarded that link to you?
your mom
where did i say anything about "domesticated"
bison would still be considered livestock. farming bison instead of cows wouldn't be a solution.
if you actually want to talk about it, how about posting something other than quips
The timeline.
Climate is not changing———> climate can change and has done so *enter iceages*—————> Climate is changing————> climate is changing rapidly but has done so in the past *enter volcanoes* —————> climate is changing but our role is minimal——————-> climate is changing rapidly and we do contribute *enter nothing we can do now*
methane production becomes cow farting therefore draining off methane into the air at wells is just fine.
Completely ignore how we now understand and have disrupted acid rain and Ozone depletion thereby changing the climate (albeit on a smaller scale). Putting scrubbers in coal burning plants and limiting CFCs were horrible drags on the economy.
Oh.
The blue team has its record on ignoring issues as well as overstating them. Some press does have a penchant for taking worse case models and intensifying them. Accomplished by both teams.
The planet runs on carbon energy and oil-derived products.
Even if carbon were zeroed from today,
the anthropocene's AGW climate catastrophe would continue
15,000 Scientists: Climate Change Is Already Past The Point Of No Return
https://cleantechnica.com/2017/11/14...ed-scientists/
Greta and the youth marchers? enjoy your 3-day weekend.
She's dead. Got any other elementary school lines?
The quips show how afraid they are to actually talk about it.
This is one of those " light switch" processes I have been trying to explain to you for a decade. Of course it has nothing to do with vehicles, but if the warming we have caused warms that the millions of squarebmile of permafrost you get a sudden massive warming feedback loop.
30 degrees... No problem.
33 degrees... Problem.
This is the kind of thing I meant when I said better to not change things substantially without knowing the consequences.
It like watching some one poking a sleeping bear with a sharp stick and telling them the bear might wake up and eat them. "This bear has been asleep for as long as I have seen it. "
"This bear was awake in the past and didn't hurt me."
"Quit being an alarmist'
Smh
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Do we have to kill the existing bison herds then?
A lot of effort has been put into restoring native grasslands and to restoring the bison herds as well. Do we have to stop that or will you allow us to continue forward?
And here is Mr. fckd and unfckble with 25 years ago...
Give me all your money, the world is at an end.
We most likely will survive this. Its gonna cost a lot of money as ariable land changes place (farming becomes erratic) and seashores get redefined.
Starvation and water shortages more likely as existing infrastructure for moving food and water is not gonna handle it.
We put the deficit off to grow out of it, same mentality.
asked and answered
Trying to distract from 90,000,000 head of cattle with 31,000 bison.
So it's okay to restore bison populations to the 10's of millions and nature will gobble up their farts as long as we don't farm them?
is that what's going to happen?
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