trump impeachment watch thread

[Spurminator]

For those of you who remember, how does this impeachment compare to the Clinton one?

One was about extramarital relations, one is about foreign relations. I recall a lot of pearl clutching about morality and the sanc y of the Oval Office. How far we've fallen.

[hater]

For those of you who remember, how does this impeachment compare to the Clinton one?

Clinton lied under oath tbqh

This is not even 10 percent of that

[RD2191]

Clinton lied under oath tbqh

This is not even 10 percent of that

[hater]

Let's get real: Democrats were first to enlist Ukraine in US elections

As I have reported, the pressure began at least as early as January 2016, when the Obama White House unexpectedly invited Ukraine's top prosecutors to Washington to discuss fighting corruption in the country.

The meeting, promised as training, turned out to be more of a pretext for the Obama administration to pressure Ukraine's prosecutors to drop an investigation into the Burisma Holdings gas company that employed Hunter Biden and to look for new evidence in a then-dormant criminal case against eventual Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort, a GOP lobbyist.

U.S. officials "kept talking about how important it was that all of our anti-corruption efforts be united," said Andrii Telizhenko, the former political officer in the Ukrainian Embassy in Washington who organized and attended the meetings.

Nazar Kholodnytsky, Ukraine's chief anti-corruption prosecutor, told me that, soon after he returned from the Washington meeting, he saw evidence in Ukraine of political meddling in the U.S. election. That's when two top Ukrainian officials released secret evidence to the American media, smearing Manafort.

demore s

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign...n-us-elections

Crickets

[boutons_deux]

One was about extramarital relations, one is about foreign relations. I recall a lot of pearl clutching about morality and the sanc y of the Oval Office. How far we've fallen.

nope, Dem Slick Willy was impeached by the Repugs

for lying to the grand jury

about perfectly legal sex between consulting adults

[Spurminator]

nope, Dem Slick Willy was impeached by the Repugs

for lying to the grand jury

about perfectly legal sex between consulting adults

Like I said, one was about extramarital relations.

[Trill Clinton]

One was about extramarital relations, one is about foreign relations. I recall a lot of pearl clutching about morality and the sanc y of the Oval Office. How far we've fallen.

daaaaaayyum thats crazy. I don't see how that is impeachable tbh. You would think something like this would be unanimously seen as an offense after what Clinton did.

Clinton lied under oath tbqh

This is not even 10 percent of that

this one is worse?

[boutons_deux]

Like I said, one was about extramarital relations.

legally the impeachment was about lying,

not about sex

because you can't convict anybody for the non-crime of legal, consensual sex

[Trill Clinton]

[Sheriff Hoyt]

[boutons_deux]

Another Trash sycophant pushing Ukraine to go after Biden

Pentagon chief says emphasized anti-corruption in recent call with Ukrainian counterpart

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-ukraine-military/pentagon-chief-says-emphasized-anti-corruption-in-recent-call-with-ukrainian-counterpart-idUSKBN1WA21H?feedType=RSS&feedName=politicsNews&u tm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign= Feed%3A+Reuters%2FPoliticsNews+%28Reuters+Politics +News%29

[Pavlov]

Crickets

Where is the proof there was pressure to drop the noninvestigation into Burisma?

[boutons_deux]

Cybersecurity firm CrowdStrike called out in Trump-Ukraine call transcript


CrowdStrike investigated the Democratic National Committee’s hack in 2016.

President Trump asked Ukraine's president to look into the company.

https://www.cnet.com/news/cybersecurity-firm-crowdstrike-called-out-in-trump-ukraine-call-transcript/#ftag=CAD590a51e

[ElNono]

Average Joe Biden admitted to withholding 2 billion of aid to Ukraine unless they fire the prosecutor investigating his son. They did fire the guy and Ukraine got the dough

More whataboutism... indict Biden then.. no problem with that.

One thing doesn’t excuse the other.

[ElNono]

I don't disagree with the sentiment here. But "seems implied" does not inspire confidence that the Dems have the horses to run the impeachment race. I guess they're in a tight spot: on the one hand, not opening the inquiry would reduce this cluster to just another run-of-the-mill POTUS being POTUS ups. On the other hand, this doesn't, as you mention, rise to the level that would make a congressman voting to not impeach lose credibility/cons uents/an election, etc... Again, unless there's more here - which is entirely possible - this isn't the hill I'd die on because the potential to derail 2020 is too high. Dems are kissing the beehive thinking it won't sting if they think that impeachment won't galvanize Trump's base.

There’s a basic check and balances task assigned to Congress. It’s really a matter of them having to do their job. If they do not on something that, at best, is a gray area, it then becomes a new tool of the executive.

[boutons_deux]

Why We Shouldn’t Trust Trump’s Transcript

BUCK BANKS

“House Judiciary Committee transcripts of some of

President Nixon’s Watergate tape recordings differ extensively,

and in many cases significantly,

from the edited transcripts made public by the White House.”

— New York Times, June 20, 1974


http://www.pensitoreview.com/2019/09/25/why-we-shouldnt-trust-trumps-transcript/

[Pavlov]

As I said it might, it's not a transcript.

[boutons_deux]

As I said it might, it's not a transcript.

yep, we'll see if Trash/Barr will let the wb give the unredacted transcript to the Congressional Dems

and for the cult mob who say the wb provides "second hand gossip", the IG agreed it was real and serious.

[vy65]

There’s a basic check and balances task assigned to Congress. It’s really a matter of them having to do their job. If they do not on something that, at best, is a gray area, it then becomes a new tool of the executive.

Impeachment isn’t the only way to perform that function though.

[rjv]

Where is the proof there was pressure to drop the noninvestigation into Burisma?

i'm no biden fan, not in the least. in fact i thoroughly dislike him but the evidence, when examined neutrally, seems to indicate that biden's pressure on the ukranian government actually increased the chances of hunter being prosecuted rather than, as the right-wing narrative has tried to establish, not being prosecuted. the removal of shokin essentially removed the corrupting influence that prevented the british fraud department from going after burisma to begin with. i don't see how that would have helped burisma or hunter.

[Pavlov]

yep, we'll see if Trash/Barr will let the wb give the unredacted transcript to the Congressional Dems

and for the cult mob who say the wb provides "second hand gossip", the IG agreed it was real and serious.

Not sure we want to admit there are verbatim transcripts as that's an admission of recorded calls (probably dumb, but it's diplomatic kabuki), but it is important to know a MEMCOM isn't a transcript and is in no way the final word on this call.

Also @ the Trumpistas who have tried to connect every conspiracy dot they can when it comes to Democrats but are blind to the connection between this call and the withholding of military aid.

[boutons_deux]

blind to the connection between this call and the withholding of military aid.

the only "proof" they MIGHT accept wold be:

"Hey Zelly boy, this is Donny.

You know those $100Ms for Ukraine that I personally blocked a few weeks ago?

Well, if you publish a report (doesn't have to be true, of course) that "proves" that Biden and his son did corrupt stuff,

I'll send you those $100Ms,

AND

I'll buy you a huge villa overlooking the Mediterranean. Kapiche?

It was nice talking to you"

[Pavlov]

i'm no biden fan, not in the least. in fact i thoroughly dislike him but the evidence, when examined neutrally, seems to indicate that biden's pressure on the ukranian government actually increased the chances of hunter being prosecuted rather than, as the right-wing narrative has tried to establish, not being prosecuted. the removal of shokin essentially removed the corrupting influence that prevented the british fraud department from going after burisma to begin with. i don't see how that would have helped burisma or hunter.

Exactly. Everyone wanted Shokin gone because he WASN'T investigating corruption enough. Investigations of the owner of Burisma have been on again, off again and on again in the years since with zero implications of Hunter Biden who was still on the board for at least some of that time.

[hater]

Like I said, one was about extramarital relations.

Perjury and obstruction of justice are not extramarital affairs, Penelope

[koriwhat]

Haha the desperate left and their stupid mob of idiot followers