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    ‘Blather and hysteria’:

    Conservative columnist explains why GOP anti-impeachment ‘antics’ just crashed and burned


    The public impeachment hearings, Rubin noted, “seek to establish whether President Trump bribed a foreign power to help him smear a political rival”: former Vice President Joe Biden — and

    Schiff “outlined the basic factual narrative” and

    the “facts that Republicans have yet to contradict, let alone disprove.”

    Nunes ignored the factual account Schiff laid out, and

    the contrast between the two sides — one relying on facts, and the other resorting to blather and hysteria — was clear,” Rubin asserts.

    “The complete absence of any factual or legal defense (of Trump) was telling.”

    https://www.rawstory.com/2019/11/bla...ed-and-burned/https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...ual-bombs /


    It's how they rammed Kavanaugh through.

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    Chris the last few pages.

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    I don't know if someone else posted this but lol Fox News starting to turn on Trump


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    Alright. Give me the rundown. I only listen to the Republican side on the radio. Limbaugh, Hanity, Levin got me convinced Trump did nothing wrong. I read Political subs on Reddit and you know what their stance is . Dems seem to be throwing at the wall and praying that something sticks. Russia, collusion, obstruction, now Ukraine. I want to hear a Democratic view that is not bat crazy like y Reddit libs

    I'll boil it down for you - even though you are just trolling;

    Extortion = No 400 million $$ in defense aid - unless you smear Biden and exonerate Putin

    Bribery = You help me cheat to win 2020 election & I'll help you defend your country against Russia


    indisputable and corroborated many times over.

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    I'll boil it down for you - even though you are just trolling;

    Extortion = No 400 million $$ in defense aid - unless you smear Biden and exonerate Putin

    Bribery = You help me cheat to win 2020 election & I'll help you defend your country against Russia


    indisputable and corroborated many times over.
    Not trolling. When and where did he ask smear biden and “exonerate putin” (Wtf?)? In the call transcript he asked for an investigation in to Bidens spurred by bidens open admission that he quid pro qoud over the 1.5 billion to fire the attorney. That’s reasonable. Trump is being persecuted by Dems and he wants the investigations to go both ways. Why shouldn’t they?

    Trump didn’t need to cheat to win 2016 and he doesn’t need to cheat to win 2020. He’s done well as president, despite the resistance of the dems. How is any of dems allegations indisputable or corroborated? Can’t just say you saw it on CNN.

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    Not trolling. When and where did he ask smear biden and “exonerate putin” (Wtf?)? In the call transcript he asked for an investigation in to Bidens spurred by bidens open admission that he quid pro qoud over the 1.5 billion to fire the attorney. That’s reasonable. Trump is being persecuted by Dems and he wants the investigations to go both ways. Why shouldn’t they?

    Trump didn’t need to cheat to win 2016 and he doesn’t need to cheat to win 2020. He’s done well as president, despite the resistance of the dems. How is any of dems allegations indisputable or corroborated? Can’t just say you saw it on CNN.

    Trump asked zelensky - to investigate the bidens and the FACT is that there is ZERO evidence of any biden wrongdoing - so trump is asking a foreign country to MAKE UP (like he did with russia in 2016)-
    and investigate an american citizen - just like he did in 2016 -

    get this in your ing brain: biden asked to get rid of a corrupt prosecutor who FAILED to investigate corruption - you get that?
    the corrupt prosecutor was REFUSING to do his job

    trump and the right brainwashed you to think biden did the opposite - fire a guy that might be investigating his sons company and you stupidly swallowed it whole


    The whistleblower reported wrongdoing because he/she is a patriot and listed names of people who might have information to corroborate

    the dems opened an investigation rightfully and summoned all the people the WB named and so far they have corroborated pretty much everything the WB legally alleged

    the LAW protects any american citizen from retaliation in order to encourage honest people to report crimes from dishonest criminals like trump and it should outrage every american that this con man and his complicit enablers are attacking the honest patriot

    in order to be complicit in crimes from the piece of traitor who cheats on elections by asking foreign countries to meddle in our elections.

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    And let's be clear. Trump wanted a public announcement of an investigation into Biden and his son on US national TV. Sondland will confirm this.

    You can argue that he didn't need to do it to win in 2020. I agree. Nixon didn't have to orchestrate and cover up a break-in at the DNC to win in '72 either.

    But it happened.

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    Trump asked zelensky - to investigate the bidens and the FACT is that there is ZERO evidence of any biden wrongdoing - so trump is asking a foreign country to MAKE UP (like he did with russia in 2016)-
    and investigate an american citizen - just like he did in 2016 -

    get this in your ing brain: biden asked to get rid of a corrupt prosecutor who FAILED to investigate corruption - you get that?
    the corrupt prosecutor was REFUSING to do his job

    trump and the right brainwashed you to think biden did the opposite - fire a guy that might be investigating his sons company and you stupidly swallowed it whole


    The whistleblower reported wrongdoing because he/she is a patriot and listed names of people who might have information to corroborate

    the dems opened an investigation rightfully and summoned all the people the WB named and so far they have corroborated pretty much everything the WB legally alleged

    the LAW protects any american citizen from retaliation in order to encourage honest people to report crimes from dishonest criminals like trump and it should outrage every american that this con man and his complicit enablers are attacking the honest patriot

    in order to be complicit in crimes from the piece of traitor who cheats on elections by asking foreign countries to meddle in our elections.
    Damn bro, calm down. Can you site sources for your claims? You sound like a redditor inflamed by the partisan hogwash cnn feeds them

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    Trump had an unplanned visit to Walter Reed. Either he is sick or prepping his “medical” resignation.

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    And let's be clear. Trump wanted a public announcement of an investigation into Biden and his son on US national TV. Sondland will confirm this.

    You can argue that he didn't need to do it to win in 2020. I agree. Nixon didn't have to orchestrate and cover up a break-in at the DNC to win in '72 either.

    But it happened.
    Similar to the public spectacles launched against kavanaugh and trump? Trump does dabble in for tat. Honestly I’d be pissed to be muckraked over false allegations like these men as well. Biden quid pro quod pretty hard with Ukraine, seems like a logical place to start

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    Similar to the public spectacles launched against kavanaugh and trump?
    No.

    Trump's own appointees are testifying against him, among others.

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    No.

    Trump's own appointees are testifying against him, among others.
    Chump - I haven’t followed the impeachment proceedings closely - are there any appointees testifying that have not been dismissed in the last 36 months? (ie disgruntled ex employees)

    And if so, what is their testimony? What did they say happened?

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    Chump - I haven’t followed the impeachment proceedings closely - are there any appointees testifying that have not been dismissed in the last 36 months? (ie disgruntled ex employees)

    And if so, what is their testimony? What did they say happened?
    There are current appointees and employees and military officers testifying. Some have resigned. Some have been reassigned. None have been fired to my knowledge but I could be wrong.

    And are you really asking for a summation of 2600 pages of deposition and a dozen hours of public testimony?

    My biased opinion is that Trump and his cronies orchestrated a bribery/extortion plot withholding military aid to the Ukraine unless they publicly announced investigations into Biden, his son and the DNC's tech company. The witnesses have been providing evidence of this among other things, but that's the main thing.

    The witnesses are credible IMO. One of the complaints is that a lot of when they presented is hearsay. That's mostly because the actual people who said these things refuse or have been ordered by Trump to not testify. There is no innocent explanation for Trump's actions or those of the people carrying out this scheme. The facts being testified to simply aren't being challenged.

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    There are current appointees and employees and military officers testifying. Some have resigned. Some have been reassigned. None have been fired to my knowledge but I could be wrong.

    And are you really asking for a summation of 2600 pages of deposition and a dozen hours of public testimony?

    My biased opinion is that Trump and his cronies orchestrated a bribery/extortion plot withholding military aid to the Ukraine unless they publicly announced investigations into Biden, his son and the DNC's tech company. The witnesses have been providing evidence of this among other things, but that's the main thing.

    The witnesses are credible IMO. One of the complaints is that a lot of when they presented is hearsay. That's mostly because the actual people who said these things refuse or have been ordered by Trump to not testify. There is no innocent explanation for Trump's actions or those of the people carrying out this scheme. The facts being testified to simply aren't being challenged.
    Nah I just am curious if there have been any highlights or bombs s that would justify this impeachment. All I’ve heard is hearsay testimony. Is there anything you see wrong with Jim Jordan’s timeline/explanation of the alleged withholding of military aid?

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    And if you're a Trump supporter, you're probably never going to concede he could possibly do anything to deserve impeachment. That's fine-- pretty much how politics go these days. In my opinion Trump's actions are worse than Nixon's during Watergate (Nixon did worse to win the 68 election but that was covered up by evevryone). The one redeeming quality of Nixon's was his deep sense of shame that actually caught up with him. There is no such quality in Trump, nor in many of his followers.

    So here we are.

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    Nah I just am curious if there have been any highlights or bombs s that would justify this impeachment. All I’ve heard is hearsay testimony. Is there anything you see wrong with Jim Jordan’s timeline/explanation of the alleged withholding of military aid?
    The aid that was only released once the whistleblower's report became known?

    Yeah, he missed that little tidbit.

    The whistleblower seems to be the only thing that kept this plot from coming to fruition.

    And I told you the reason for the hearsay. I would probably brush up on the hearsay exceptions if you want to use that to defend Trump and co.

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    The aid that was only released once the whistleblower's report became known?

    Yeah, he missed that little tidbit.

    The whistleblower seems to be the only thing that kept this plot from coming to fruition.

    And I told you the reason for the hearsay. I would probably brush up on the hearsay exceptions if you want to use that to defend Trump and co.
    Do you not believe that the aid was originally held up for the white house to determine whether or not corruption still existed with the new Ukrainian leadership? Is it not true that Ukraine didn’t even know about the aid or it being withheld?

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