Vaughn............................................ ....
I would love to know the true reason for Hill losing the backup PG spot. If it boils down to Pops past experiences, then that is pathetic. Hill should get time at the end of the season to prove himself, cuz him doing awesome the first half of the season means jack in Pops mind, but Vaughn, who has never been more than a scrapy vet who knows the plays better, is getting the call.Vaughn............................................ ....
Vaughn should not see any minutes for any reason except garbage time to limit possibility of injury to the players who can actually play basketball. The opponent does not even guard him, leaving a double or triple team situation on Duncan, Manu, etc. Why on earth does Pop have Manu play with JV, leaving JV as the shooting guard? He just goes and waits in the corner, but he can't shoot for . Pop ed up ROYALLY by not establishing Hill consistently as Tony's backup.
Nice Post, I totally agree with you timvp, the only other thing I got to say is that Pop give him more minutes and just let him play for the rest of the season! I hope that Hill wont leave the Spurs like the other players...sorta like udrih.
Hill isn't even like Beno, which is the bad thing..Beno is a soft pussy that doesn't play defense..
Hill didn't actually do anything wrong here..Pop was just paranoid and cautious in advance, since he seems like he doesn't want to risk seeing a rookie make mistakes in the playoffs..the annoying thing is that Jacque Vaughn makes stupid decisions all the time, particularly on D..
we could have used him a lot the last few games..when Westbrook was ting on us, and today on Mo Williams..
I don't see how a lockdown defensive PG with athleticism and freakish length can't help a team in the playoffs, even as a rookie..
I thought we were done with JV when Hill was drafted..it's sad..
I don't know why Hill lost his backup role. He was doing the job.
BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY....
The rotation and the roles defined were working!!!!!
Defense? No, it still sucked. But with Hill out there, he sure as does his part at least.
MAson could "start" and find his spots to take shots with TP and TD out there.
But TP could sit and Hill and Manu could step in and get Manu as many shots as he wanted.
We have proven time and again, year after year, Manu plays better off the bench because he is an aggresive offensive player when both TD and TP are not out there and he has to assert himself.
Mason is not that kind of bench player. he's more of picking his spots and being patient. Oh yeah, Pop also forced him to play PG... again, not sure why, everything seemed to be working well offensively.
When all those things are flowing, that's when guys like Bonner, Thomas and Fin find themselves wide open.
i still don't agree. i read the whole thing and i still don't see a valid arguments about Pop not able to coach backup PG.I knew I was right when I started this thread but now it's like Pop is going the extra mile to prove I'm right. So Pop, yeah we get it. Please, please stop the insanity. I'm sorry for broaching the subject.
We had some really bad backup PG. at best, you could argue he and RC can't choose backup PG to fit the team.
but in recent years, Beno, NVE, Stoudemire, JV have just been awful by themselves. nothing on Pop's coaching for this.
and this year, i guess alot of fans, including me, agree that Hill should be the backup PG. JV, as usual, and Mason sucked as PG. It wasn't Pop fault's.
so, the only Pop's fault here would be to not play Hill. but there, i just see the usual reluctance of Pop to trust rookies, whatever their position is. nothing directly related to backup PG position.
so basically, the two mistakes of Pop for me would be:
- not able to choose a good backup PG who would fit the spurs (fault shared with RC).
- not trusting rookies, even when they're good and they are the best choice (Hill as the backup PG).
and hopefully, Hill will be trusted next year as a sop re and the backup PG position won't be a weakness anymore.
i still don't think see anything proving Pop's coaching specific weakness about the backup position.
Last edited by kace; 04-06-2009 at 09:27 AM.
I wonder how many in this topic are going to edit their original posts!
Mason sure tore it up tonightI wonder how many in this topic are going to edit their original posts!
I think Mason's problem is he is not the type of pg we need. The pg in this system needs to be a penetrating, kick-out pg. Mason is not that.
Hill was that until his job became to bring the ball up the court and hand it to manu on the second unit.
With Manu in the second unit, it messes up the role that he 2nd unit pg has...
If Pop knew how to coach point guards and would have just let Hill as the backup point, the Spurs would at least be tied in this series. With one move, he successfully destroyed both Hill and Mason.
Maybe there's time to fix the error but Pop better learn quickly.
If nothing else, Pop could have used this playoff run (however short it may be) to get Hill accustomed to handling the rock in big games, and have Mason improve in his earlier role of designated off-the-ball shooter and be a replacement for Finley.
Like you said, he's just ed them both over.
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