35% of HS students don't finish HS in SA

[pgardn]

it's a discussion thread. the flipped classroom is just one idea of many mentioned here. that it was offered as a magic bullet is your own imagining, not mine, silly.

Yes it was.

But this kind of stuff has gone on since the inception of public schools.

[pgardn]

It's an interesting idea for college work. I mean did anyone here actually do the readings before class when they were in school? I only did it when it was a course I was really into, but otherwise? Never. The whole point of going to the class was so that you could skip reading the book or at least see the motivation behind the ideas in the book. Flipped classrooms make a lot of sense since you get people to work together When they come to class like they would have to do in any job in the real world. It's a great use of student time since you're actually doing the work in class and can bounce ideas off each other vs sitting there and zoning out 20 minutes into the lecture.

I don't know that it's workable at the high school level though. Average high school students don't seem like they'd be too disciplined to watch lecture videos at home in preparation for class.

Lab classes seemed to always require lab partners get together before the lab for me, especially organic chemistry labs. The damn things took 4 hrs (for 1 hr credit) and screwing up was so easy. Every lab seemed to require cooling using a distillation apparatus with water. Yet water was the enemy, it ruined your lab. So it was great fun having your lab neighbor's hose come off and spraying your set up 2 hrs in.

But it was a of a lot of fun preparing properly and actually getting the desired product in less than 4 hrs. Or starting over and taking turns eating outside with everyone else that had to start over. I had some great organic chemistry teachers.

[pgardn]

I believe 1/2 of college is just showing you are resourceful enough to get through. Obstacles get thrown in your way (the famous, "we don't offer that class this semester, or it's full") and you work around them to actually complete something.

Then they give you a piece of paper...

[Nbadan]

I believe 1/2 of college is just showing you are resourceful enough to get through. Obstacles get thrown in your way (the famous, "we don't offer that class this semester, or it's full") and you work around them to actually complete something.

Then they give you a piece of paper...

It's not a mystery...
College is the key to getting a job
Self education is the key to becoming personally or economically successful....

[pgardn]

It's not a mystery...
College is the key to getting a job
Self education is the key to becoming personally or economically successful....

I wanted a big steak dinner, not paper.

Its tougher on kids today though, they often need two pieces of paper and experience (involves getting used as an unpaid intern)

[Nbadan]

I wanted a big steak dinner, not paper.

Its tougher on kids today though, they often need two pieces of paper and experience (involves getting used as an unpaid intern)

Plenty of successful people out there with no paper....but they are self-educated and they have a quality the average student lacks....self motivation...

[pgardn]

Plenty of successful people out there with no paper....but they are self-educated and they have a quality the average student lacks....self motivation...

And people skills.

A vastly underrated skill that public schools supply by throwing a bunch of kids with different backgrounds together.
One disadvantage of homeschooling imo.

Some of the best are drug dealers that understand drawing attention to yourself is stupid. The ones that don't misbehave and never go to the office for discipline. Maybe even have an eye out for when the dogs are coming to the school.

[Nbadan]

A vastly underrated skill that public schools supply by throwing a bunch of kids with different backgrounds together.
One disadvantage of homeschooling imo.

Well, some very successful people are socially inept...

[pgardn]

Well, some very successful people are socially inept...

The ones I am familiar with are definitely not.
They would get a great idea lifted from them.

[Nbadan]

The ones I am familiar with are definitely not.
They would get a great idea lifted from them.

Doing what I do...I roam with a rich crowd in SA at times....some are very awkward and socially incapable...

[pgardn]

Doing what I do...I roam with a rich crowd in SA at times....some are very awkward and socially incapable...

I would not have a job if some very socially inept brilliant people had the capacity to listen to, and understand each other's ideas, and pay attention to what each other are doing... Learn each other's stuff. I would not be needed and they could break away from the leeches they work for. They could strike out on their own... But no way, they don't listen, they don't know how to reach deals. , they can't even read tone of voice or facial expressions. Stuck in their own little world.

My experience anyways, we all have our own reality that we take as a lesson.

[Nbadan]

trust me....being smart and driven does not always equate to being socially capable...some CEOs are SOBs..

[pgardn]

trust me....being smart and driven does not always equate to being socially capable...some CEOs are SOBs..

IMO that's part of being smart. Being able to read people and motivate them is invaluable. There are all kinds of smart.

[Winehole23]

I wanted a big steak dinner, not paper.

champagne taste on a beer budget. I can relate.

[Winehole23]

But this kind of stuff has gone on since the inception of public schools.

it's not so common now, hence the somewhat gimmicky NYT piece upstream; dismissing it as a commonplace doesn't diminish its usefulness that I can tell.

[Blake]

And people skills.

A vastly underrated skill that public schools supply by throwing a bunch of kids with different backgrounds together.
One disadvantage of homeschooling imo.

Some of the best are drug dealers that understand drawing attention to yourself is stupid. The ones that don't misbehave and never go to the office for discipline. Maybe even have an eye out for when the dogs are coming to the school.

There's book smart and then there's street smart.

Some of us get by on being one of those things. Some of us happen to be both.

[leemajors]

champagne taste on a beer budget. I can relate.

[pgardn]

IMO that's part of being smart. Being able to read people and motivate them is invaluable. There are all kinds of smart.

And again.