Manu back to the bench?

[Athenea]

This whole thing just boggles the mind.

To recap:
1. Manu has done nothing but enhance his reputation by the way he handled coming off the bench.
2. The people in here whining about it have done nothing but besmirch theirs.
3. Manu will end up playing about the same number of minutes, and may even have better stats.
4. We don't need Manu playing 30 minutes of a 30-point blowout. We need him rested for the next two games in Denver.

Shoogar...u know I like u but I don't give a flying of what u think about some of us ing about this move.
Summarizing:
1-Pop is a 1-trick pony coach
2-Manu is the handy man of the team (Gods forbids the Coyote going down or else...)
3-The Frenchies can say whatever they want coz his boy is Pop's
4-18 mins against 29-30 avg is not the same
5-temporally move my azz

[stéphane]

Shoogar...u know I like u but I don't give a flying of what u think about some of us ing about this move.
Summarizing:
1-Pop is a 1-trick pony coach
2-Manu is the handy man of the team (Gods forbids the Coyote going down or else...)
3-The Frenchies can say whatever they want coz his boy is Pop's
4-18 mins against 29-30 avg is not the same
5-temporally move my azz

mmm whatever (<--- frenchman saying whatever)
we dont give a flying aswell you support Manu. I support the spurs then TP.
quite different. I now understand you, but keep in mind its a spurs board not a manu board

[ChumpDumper]

Just curious, since this is the worst thing that has ever happened in the history of organized sport, what would the Manunites have done to adjust between games one and two?

Don't be shy.

[ALVAREZ6]

mmm whatever (<--- frenchman saying whatever)
we dont give a flying aswell you support Manu. I support the spurs then TP.
quite different. I now understand you, but keep in mind its a spurs board not a manu board

Don't tell me that if TP was traded, you will still favor the Spurs over his new team in a game.

[kolko]

Manu replied in his forum to all the users that were saying "things":

http://manuginobili.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=19512

Me explican por favor que estan diciendo???

Y de que hablan cuando dicen cosas como por ejemplo:

- Manu puede pagar un precio muy caro

- El danio ya esta hecho y lo agarra en el mejor momento de su carrera.

- TP juega un mal partido y que hace Pop nada...

- El banco no funciona y que pasa? sacrificamos a Manu.

y mas etc etc etc... que estamos diciendo??

En que me estoy sacrificando?? saben cual es la unica diferencia?? que no juego los primeros 6', que son los que todos estan frios y mas intracendentes, despues los primeros 5' del 2do tiempo. Donde esta todo el problema?? Que danio me estan haciendo?? el unico que esta arriesgando es el! ya que si perdemos o la pateo tanto yo de suplente como Barry de ular, lo van a matar a el. Que precio muy caro puedo pagar?? si vos lo miras egoisticamente, tengo todo por ganar...

Las razones, las compartan o no, fueron entendibles.

Tampoco vamos a decir que ganamos por 30 por el cambio, porque no es verdad, esta claro, pero si quieren, miren los nros de los minutos del anio pasado como suplente y de este como ular. 29.6 este anio, 29.4 el pasado!!! tanta diferencia??

Si ademas de hacer lo mismo, ayuda a un companiero a empezar mejor y que rinda mas, no lo harian??? a ver... quiero saber sus opiniones.

Un abrazo.

pd: El anio pasado no dije que lo entendia, que me parecia barbaro y demas... dije que no me habia gustado, pero lo acepte y trate de hacerlo bien. Esta vez se lo dije desde el primer momento en que me lo insinuo.

Translated:

Can you explain me what are you saying?

And what are you talking when you say things like this:

-Manu can pay an expensive price

-The damage has already been done and it comes in the best part of his career.

-TP plays a bad game and Pop doesn't do anything

-The bench doesn't works and what happens? We sacrifice Manu

And more etc etc etc, what are we saying?

In what aspects I am sacrificing? Do you know which is the only difference? That I don't play the first six minutes of the game, where everyone are cold and worthless, and then the first five minutes of the second half. Where is the problem? What danger are they doing me? The only one risking is him! If we lose or we play bad with me as a sub or Barry as a starter, they will kill him. What expensive price can I pay? If you look it as selfish, I have all to win...

The reasons, whatever you share it or not, were understandable.

We also don't say that we won by 30 because of the change, because that's not true, but if you want, look at the numbers of minutes I played last year from the bench and this year as a starter. 29.6 this year and 29.4 last year!!! That's a lot of difference??

And if you do that and at the same time you help a teammate to start to play better, won't you do it??? I want to know your opinions.

A hug.

ps: Last year I didn't say that I understand it and that I like it. I said that I didn't like it, but I accept it and tried to do it ok. Now I told him that from the first moment he told me about that.

[ALVAREZ6]

Just curious, since this is the worst thing that has ever happened in the history of organized sport, what would the Manunites have done to adjust between games one and two?

Don't be shy.

Stop being a smart ass.

I have no idea what I would have done, but I'll tell you one thing, Pop's plan would be much smarter than mine!

I think Pop's idea is reasonable, and if it works, and manu keeps his minutes, then it's great.

But I will say one thing: If this "temporary" change carries over to next season, then F*CK Pop!

[ChumpDumper]

A hug.

Well, at least Manu was nice about punking you all.

[ChumpDumper]

Stop being a smart ass.

Impossible.

I have no idea what I would have done, but I'll tell you one thing, Pop's plan would be much smarter than mine!

It was. This was directed at the more militant Manunites out there. Apologies for mixing you in with them.

But I will say one thing: If this "temporary" change carries over to next season, then F*CK Pop!

Why? Even if it makes Manu's team much better?

[ALVAREZ6]

Well, at least Manu was nice about punking you all.

Who's you all?

[ChumpDumper]

Who's you all?

See previous post.

[stéphane]

Don't tell me that if TP was traded, you will still favor the Spurs over his new team in a game.

Honestly i follow SA for ten years but even more since TP joined them...
If TP would be traded i would stick for SA and still have a look on what TP aswell as B. Diaw and M. Pietrus are doing in their own teams. But i would spend more time and wouldn't post anymore.
The thing is, as a french i can contribute a bit by having infos in french about a starter of the team, that's why i post otherwise i would just keep reading without posting.

[E20]

OMG, you people really have to and go look at the messages for Manu thread for the english version!!!

http://manuginobili.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=19197

[ALVAREZ6]

.Why? Even if it makes Manu's team much better?

Because this is the playoffs, and all I want is a win.

Also, I want Manu to keep improving, and I think it would only be fair to start him. The only reason pop did this change is because we were desperate for something, because no one wanted to lose game 1. We needed to be positive that we would win game 2.

I just think that it wouldn't be right to start off a season like that.

With a healthy team, and the regular starting line up, the Spurs were the best in the NBA.

[ALVAREZ6]

Honestly i follow SA for ten years but even more since TP joined them...
If TP would be traded i would stick for SA and still have a look on what TP aswell as B. Diaw and M. Pietrus are doing in their own teams. But i would spend more time and wouldn't post anymore.
The thing is, as a french i can contribute a bit by having infos in french about a starter of the team, that's why i post otherwise i would just keep reading without posting.

I understand. The point I was trying to make earlier is that it is only naturally to like a team because a player from your country is on that team, especially when your country doesn't have many players in the league.( 2 examples: France and Argentina)

[Athenea]

Well, at least Manu was nice about punking you all.

Chumper the bullie Dumper at it again...
Remember last season, dear?
Who ate crow in the end?
I guess it was hmmm...U

Bah...I ate my share also coz I wanted the Spurs to win or at least beat the Lakers...

[ChumpDumper]

The only reason pop did this change is because we were desperate for something

Maybe he had this in the back of his mind all along and was just looking for a catalyst to make the change. [/speculation]

Really, if Barry and Nazr play better as starters and Manu and Rasho play the same or better off the bench, I'm all for making that move. Having a great starting lineup and the hands-down best second unit in the league is a pretty exciting prospect.

[stéphane]

I understand. The point I was trying to make earlier is that it is only naturally to like a team because a player from your country is on that team, especially when your country doesn't have many players in the league.( 2 examples: France and Argentina)

yeah i understood aswell. Nice understanding lol.
I was sooo happy when TP joined the spurs ! I like Manu a lot too honestly. Love the way he fights and sweat for his mates. I just state for 10posts or so that being starter or not isn't a big deal as long as it doesn't hurt manu's play and makes the team better. Manu doesn't need to look for some more respect.
He's already one of the greatest players in the league and the way he is on the court (hustling and playing unselfishly) makes him even greater.
He's one of the 3 biggest weapon of the Best team in the league wether starting or coming off the bench. Nobody want to retrieve him anything. We all thing that you can play him with anyone he's still good on the court. Barry isn't.

[ChumpDumper]

Starting Hedo made no difference in the playoffs -- he would've disappeared regardless. Manu played better off the bench and played the same amount of time. The move has already made a huge difference in this playoffs. Are you goign to deny that?

You said Manu would leave last summer, didn't you?

Again, what adjustment would you have made between games one and two?

We're waiting.

[ALVAREZ6]

Really, if Barry and Nazr play better as starters and Manu and Rasho play the same or better off the bench, I'm all for making that move.

That's easy for you to say.

Argentina was never known for it's basketball until recent times, and most of the " ers" just want the best for Manu.

Why don't you put yourself in my position.

[SequSpur]

Manu can't play more than 20 minutes. Barry can. Barry might miss some shots, but he doesn't make stupid mistakes by forcing the issue.

Pop made a great call for once.

[ChumpDumper]

That's easy for you to say.

Yes, it is very easy for me to say because I want the Spurs to be the best team they can possibly be.

Argentina was never known for it's basketball until recent times, and most of the " ers" just want the best for Manu.

The best team possible = more championships for Manu. I understand if this isn't important to you.

Why don't you put yourself in my position.

I did, and concluded your reasoning isn't in the best interest of the San Antonio Spurs.

[ALVAREZ6]

I did, and concluded your reasoning isn't in the best interest of the San Antonio Spurs.

Actually it is.

I am just saying what some people think about Manu being benched, and it makes sense.

[ChumpDumper]

Look at it this way, if all I wanted was individual accolades for Tim Duncan, I'd be pissy about his minutes being "cut for the benefit of inferior players." He's nowhere near getting MVP this year largely for this reason -- so it's valid, right?

If I really took this position, I'd be an idiot.

[Athenea]

Starting Hedo made no difference in the playoffs -- he would've disappeared regardless. Manu played better off the bench and played the same amount of time. The move has already made a huge difference in this playoffs. Are you goign to deny that?

You said Manu would leave last summer, didn't you?

Again, what adjustment would you have made between games one and two?

We're waiting.

You want more than u got last year?
Hahahahaha I trashed u to death. U must be a sado-masoquist or something, Mr Hedo>Manu hahahahha

[ChumpDumper]

Actually it is.

Again, what do you think should have been doen instead of this? I don't need another cop out.