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    Uh, I thought Splitter didn't have a buyout this year if he went to an NBA team. At most, I thought it was a small set amount. WTF?

    See, this is why you don't celebrate Splitter coming until the ink is dry
    We'll probably need Bruno for the final answer. I thought the same thing you did.

    Perhaps this is just McDonald once again trying to sound smarter than he is.

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    Perhaps this is just McDonald once again trying to sound smarter than he is.
    Let us hope.

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    Uh, I thought Splitter didn't have a buyout this year if he went to an NBA team. At most, I thought it was a small set amount. WTF?

    See, this is why you don't celebrate Splitter coming until the ink is dry
    Also, if he has until June 15th to opt out, we're really screwed.

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    Source: Spurs nearing deal with Splitter
    By Jeff McDonald - Express-News

    http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/s..._98147179.html
    June 15th? Am i missing something or is mcdonald?

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    Buyout info per Bruno:

    What was said when he signed his new contract is that he haw two buyouts: one for the NBA and one significantly bigger for another European team.

    If Splitter buyout works like the other European buyouts, the buyout number is fixed and Caja Laboral can't keep him if the buyout is paid. There can always have some negotiations to lower the buyout.

    Caja Laboral is a small team that made some of its money from selling its players. This summer they sold Prigioni and Vidal to Madrid. Getting the most money with Splitter is maybe more important than not seeing with a rival.

    You can imagine a scenario like:
    Splitter buyout for the NBA is €1M and is €5M for Europe.
    Spurs made an offer to Splitter and so does a top team in Europe.
    Splitter then said to Caja Laboral: "Either I go to the NBA and you get €1M or you accept to lower the buyout to another European team at €3M, I sign with them and you get €3M"
    IMO, Caja Laboral will make the money choice.

    Even if in his contract Splitter's buyout for Europe is ten times higher than for the NBA, it doesn't really matter.

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    I think Splitter and Parker are going to gave a dynamite pick and roll.

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    I am so grossed out with this off season. Bonner + RJ = Massive Fail. Even with Tiago (which is the only shred of good news), this team has not done anything to really help themselves as things stand.

    Same bad fits & playoff chokers on the roster.
    You said it dude.

    We are a joke now, I don't see how Parker and Duncan even truly try this regular season with all their hearts....when they know theres no chance we are championship contenders. No chance at all.

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    From this spanish article about the Madrid interest on Splitter:

    Aunque el capitán azulgrana finaliza su vinculación en 2012, su contrato establece una cláusula de salida especial al finalizar la presente campaña. Si el destino es la NBA, la cantidad a pagar ronda el millón de dólares. Si no se mueve del viejo continente, esa cifra se eleva a cotas mucho más altas.

    English:

    Even though the red-and-blue captain tie with the team ends in 2012, his contract establishes a special exit clause at the end of this season. If the destination is the NBA, the amount to pay is about $1 million dollars. If he doesn't move from Europe, that number can elevate much more.


    The trick here is that I think the Spurs can only offer to pay $500K (correct me if I'm wrong), so the rest has to come from Splitter's pocket. Doesn't look like an insurmountable amount.

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    Credibility lost.

    Nice fail job there sparky.

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    LOL. Wiki page already updated

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiago_Splitter

    "It was announced that Splitter was signed to the San Antonio Spurs on July 9th, 2010."

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    million bucks? pfft.

    Nothing.

    Spurs pay 500 grand Splitter ponys up the rest, not too bad since he will make 6 mill this upcoming season.

    Sell Splitter to sponsors and get him some commercials and make up the 500 grand that way.


    Re ed NBA rules only allowing up to 500 grand.

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    Buyout expected to be between $1 million and $1.2 million. Let's hope there's no magical "$13 million buyout" like there was with Scola.

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    You said it dude.

    We are a joke now, I don't see how Parker and Duncan even truly try this regular season with all their hearts....when they know theres no chance we are championship contenders. No chance at all.

    Splitter still not coming?

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    Credibility lost.

    Nice fail job there sparky.
    Aw. Give the kid a break. I mean, you're still here.

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    million bucks? pfft.

    Nothing.

    Spurs pay 500 grand Splitter ponys up the rest, not too bad since he will make 6 mill this upcoming season.

    Sell Splitter to sponsors and get him some commercials and make up the 500 grand that way.

    Re ed NBA rules only allowing up to 500 grand.
    Which is what the Rockets did with Scola. I recall Yao getting him a shoe sponsorship to make up the difference.

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    We don't have the individual talent of the Lakers, Miami, probably Boston, orthe athleticism of the younger teams... there is only one way we can ever hope to be real contenders again:

    1) Be the most efficient, sharp, ball moving offense
    2) Assasins behind the 3 point line
    3) And a DISCIPLINED DEFENSIVE MACHINE.

    That's the only way Pop knows how to win les.

    Pop has the know-how. Does he have the right guys to do it?

    I think our offense will be good enough to compete against anyone, we can score 100 on anyone. But can we make stops?

    And who are our 3 point bombers off the bench? And you don't need the best athletes to be the best defensive team, but they have to be sharp and disciplined. Do we have guys that can do that? Enough of them?

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    You said it dude.

    We are a joke now, I don't see how Parker and Duncan even truly try this regular season with all their hearts....when they know theres no chance we are championship contenders. No chance at all.
    I don't think we are a joke . I just don't see any moves (as things stand) that really give the Spurs a legit shot.

    I am just upset that if the Spurs aren't winning now realistically that they are investing somewhat long-term in guys like Bonner and RJ.

    Spurs are still going to be a damn good team and imo getting Tiago helps out a lot from last year. Hopefully Anderson can have a role as well.

    But if the goal is to win a le, we are still no close to LA. But there is a lot of time left.

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    I don't think we are a joke . I just don't see any moves (as things stand) that really give the Spurs a legit shot.

    I am just upset that if the Spurs aren't winning now realistically that they are investing somewhat long-term in guys like Bonner and RJ.

    Spurs are still going to be a damn good team and imo getting Tiago helps out a lot from last year. Hopefully Anderson can have a role as well.

    But if the goal is to win a le, we are still no close to LA. But there is a lot of time left.
    Homey if you talk to anyone without a Spurs-bias (and we all have spurs bias to one extent or another) one of the biggest knocks on our team was our blind faith to playing Matt Bonner. He goes and indisputably proves he is a playoff choker and we are about to re-sign him for four ing years and more money than he already made.

    It's the biggest contract abortion of a FO move by this team I've seen since I've been following this team very closely.

    If we give him that kinda money, it prob means we get rid of people that actually contribute like Dice, someone I would not mind see retiring as a Spur. You, me, everyone on this board except in TPark KNOWS that we have no chance at accomplishing anything of note with Matt Bonner earning minutes as the big man stretching the floor.

    No. Chance. You know its true.

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    We don't have the individual talent of the Lakers, Miami, probably Boston, orthe athleticism of the younger teams... there is only one way we can ever hope to be real contenders again:

    1) Be the most efficient, sharp, ball moving offense
    2) Assasins behind the 3 point line
    3) And a DISCIPLINED DEFENSIVE MACHINE.

    That's the only way Pop knows how to win les.

    Pop has the know-how. Does he have the right guys to do it?

    I think our offense will be good enough to compete against anyone, we can score 100 on anyone. But can we make stops?

    And who are our 3 point bombers off the bench? And you don't need the best athletes to be the best defensive team, but they have to be sharp and disciplined. Do we have guys that can do that? Enough of them?
    Isn't that three ways?

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    Homey if you talk to anyone without a Spurs-bias (and we all have spurs bias to one extent or another) one of the biggest knocks on our team was our blind faith to playing Matt Bonner. He goes and indisputably proves he is a playoff choker and we are about to re-sign him for four ing years and more money than he already made.

    It's the biggest contract abortion of a FO move by this team I've seen since I've been following this team very closely.

    If we give him that kinda money, it prob means we get rid of people that actually contribute like Dice, someone I would not mind see retiring as a Spur. You, me, everyone on this board except in TPark KNOWS that we have no chance at accomplishing anything of note with Matt Bonner earning minutes as the big man stretching the floor.

    No. Chance. You know its true.
    Ehhh. Depends on who else is here. If the Spurs would have gotten a better fit at SF I think they could survive Bonner. But I do agree that Bonner is not a championship role player. Ok in the season of regs, but not in the money time.

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    From the salary cap FAQ by Larry Coon:
    http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q65
    65. How about signing bonuses? Are they allowed? How do they count against the cap?

    Payments in excess of $500,000 that are made to non-NBA teams or federations to release rights to a player. Note: It is a common misconception that teams cannot pay more than $500,000 to release a foreign player. They can, but any amount above $500,000 is applied to the team's cap.
    Does this mean that if the Spurs pay the full $1M buyout, the extra $500K gets charged to the MLE? Or the LLE? He says against the team's cap, but if the Spurs are over the cap, how does that work?

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    From the salary cap FAQ by Larry Coon:
    http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q65


    Does this mean that if the Spurs pay the full $1M buyout, the extra $500K gets charged to the MLE? Or the LLE? He says against the team's cap, but if the Spurs are over the cap, how does that work?
    I would go against the MLE in this case, if his deal is somehow below the full MLE amount.

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    Somewhere . . . Rasheed Wallace is laughing his s off.
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    I would go against the MLE in this case, if his deal is somehow below the full MLE amount.
    This means that the full MLE couldn't be all for Splitter's salary, then, which would cause the raises to be slightly smaller?

    Also makes it less likely that there will be any of the MLE left once Splitter signs.

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