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    When was the last time the Spurs traded / moved up in the first round of the draft? Who did we pick?

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    you are right, but the speculation was that because of this facts, 1st round picks might be less costly than in other years. especially teams with multiple picks might be offering their additional picks (Wolves are), b/c they don't want to pick multiple players from a weak draft class.
    #12 from the Jazz might be on the market. we could make a point that #12 this year isn't better than #20 in other drafts. but what if because of this the #12 could be had for a price usually payed for a #20 pick?
    Good point.

    I remember in past year's, the cast cost of buying a 1st round pick was 3 mil. I don't know what it would take to move up from #29, but your reasoning makes sense. Being that this is such a weak draft, perhaps the cost would be lower than in previous drafts.

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    It's looking less likely that the Spurs will try to move up in this draft. Buford's comments about not trying to build via the draft this year in his recent interview make it sound more and more like the Spurs will either trade the pick or go with a pick they can stash.

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    #12 from the Jazz might be on the market.
    Jazz will take Knight/Kemba with 3, and Jimmer with 12.

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    I could see us trading Hill or Blair to the Pacers for their 15th draft pick...but then I realy don't know who would we be targeting at mid level?

    I like Vucevic but do you all think he could be on the floor the same time with Splitter?
    I don't think that Vucevic actually CAN be on the floor at the same time as Splitter. They're way too similar and neither have any extended shooting range. However JaJuan Johnson can. He would be a wonderful compliment to Splitter as he has a superb midrange game, can block shots and play around the rim.

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    I don't think that Vucevic actually CAN be on the floor at the same time as Splitter. They're way too similar and neither have any extended shooting range. However JaJuan Johnson can. He would be a wonderful compliment to Splitter as he has a superb midrange game, can block shots and play around the rim.
    Vucevic can not only back you down cause of his big body down low but he has good range just inside the 3pt line. Not sure how you can compare Vucevic and splitter since vucevic has an above average shot. I would much rather have Vecevic over Johnson, and apparently so would 3/4 of the NBA teams according to mock drafts..

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    Celtics May Look To Trade Out Of First Round

    http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap...Of_First_Round

    It's looking very likely that the Celtics trade their way out of this upcoming draft.

    Consider the following quotes, all of which come straight from Boston GM Danny Ainge:

    "It's not a strong draft. There's not a lot of players who could change a franchise."

    "The last thing I wanna do...because we're trying to win...is put inexperienced players under Doc. It's a delicate balance."

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    Spurs have a lot of interesting young players with Hill, Neal, Anderson, Butler, Blair, Splitter and Richards. While Spurs' future looks bleak, it's not a problem of quan y , it's a problem of quality. Getting an additional late first round pick to get another mediocre prospect won't help them.

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    Two schools of thought regarding weak draft classes...

    Acquire higher picks or trade to the following year. Celtics are smart - how smart are the Spurs?

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    Other teams aren't stupid. Spurs won't be able to turn #29 into a first rounder next year. The only two options are a player that can fill a rotation spot immediately or one they can stash in Europe.

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    Other teams aren't stupid. Spurs won't be able to turn #29 into a first rounder next year. The only two options are a player that can fill a rotation spot immediately or one they can stash in Europe.
    You obviously don't follow a lot of front offices. Teams would easily be stupid enough to trade picks this year for next year. A team that comes to mind is NY. They put together a team built around a chucker combo forward and a scoring PF and little ball movement and their draft cupboard is bare. In fact, I'd say that there may be only 8-10 NON stupid front offices in the league. The rest are just trying to fool fans into thinking they're doing something to win while actually NOT doing something to win.

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    Eurocamp day 1 summary:
    http://www.draftexpress.com/article/...-Day-One-3746/

    Buford, Lindsey and Crippa are all at the Eurocamp. It's another sign that Spurs take the draft process and international prospects very seriously.

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    Eurocamp day 1 summary:
    http://www.draftexpress.com/article/...-Day-One-3746/

    Buford, Lindsey and Crippa are all at the Eurocamp. It's another sign that Spurs take the draft process and international prospects very seriously.
    is Lucas noguiera 6'9 or 7'...coz nbadraft.net listed him at 7'0 and this article lists him as 6'9....

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    is Lucas noguiera 6'9 or 7'...coz nbadraft.net listed him at 7'0 and this article lists him as 6'9....
    6'10 with shoes are his measurement from yesterday. I am not sure this kid was never even offically measured before yesterday since he is only 18 years old so the 7ft measurement was simply a estimate.

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    Well his Fro makes him look taller like Ben Wallace.

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    With lucas nogueria now gone who was my first option...I guess the Spurs didn't like his worth ethic I would say Jajuan Johnson would be my 1st choice now if he's there....I'm not sold on Jermey Tyler but at this point ill take him or tyler honeucutt also if there available if jajuan has been drafted. Davis Bertans wouldn't be bad, I would take him also.

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    Maybe Nogueira got a haircut. that would explain how he lost an inch in shoes from the previous measurement.

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    There are many different philosophies wrt drafting - regardless of sport. Some experts say always draft the best player available (BPA) regardless of position. That would mean the Spurs should take whomever is the best player is even if they were STACKED at that position (like SG). Others say the Value over Replacement Player (VORP) strategy - which depicts drafting the highest rated player at a position that has the greater value as compared to next best alternative - is the best. A good example of this is drafting a PG who's rated to be an 85 just because the next best PG is valued at 65. There are other strategies...here's mine.

    Draft the BPA at a bona fide position of need. The Spurs need (by order of priority) are a DEFENSIVE and REBOUNDING lengthy PF or C, a defensive 3pt shooting SF and a pass 1st PG. Any other position (SG, shoot 1st SF, offensive minded big w/ no defensive skills) should be ignored.

    I hope that's what happens, regardless of who gets drafted 1st.

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    Final early entry list:
    http://www.nba.com/2011/news/06/14/2...s=iref:nbahpt2

    The situation regarding international prospects for Spurs is cery simple this year:
    - There are 4 players (Biyombo, Motiejunas, Valanciunas and Vesely) who will be drafted well before#29.
    - At #29, there are only 2 international options with Bertans and Mirotic.
    - At #59, there are a bunch of international players born in 89. Some of them should be drafted earlier in the second round but none of them seems worth a first round pick.

    My personal preferences for Spurs picks:
    I do like both Bertans and Mirotic at #29. Both won't be able to contribute before a long time but they are good prospects.
    For #59, my ranking is: Macvan, Rabaseda, Bogdanovic, Benzing and Diot.
    Last edited by Bruno; 06-15-2011 at 01:21 AM.

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    Final early entry list:
    http://www.nba.com/2011/news/06/14/2...s=iref:nbahpt2

    The situation regarding international prospects for Spurs is cery simple this year:
    - There are 4 players (Biyombo, Motiejunas, Valanciunas and Vesely) who will be drafted well before#29.
    - At #29, there are only 2 international options with Bertans and Mirotic.
    - At #59, there are a bunch of international players born in 89. Some of them should be drafted earlier in the second round but none of them seems worth a first round pick.

    My personal preferences for Spurs picks:
    I do like both Bertans and Mirotic at #29. Both won't be able to contribute before a long time but they are good prospects.
    For #59, my ranking is: Macvan, Rabaseda, Bogdanovic, Benzing and Diot.
    so u mean to say this years both draft picks will be draft and stash somewhere?

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    so u mean to say this years both draft picks will be draft and stash somewhere?
    Nope, I should have been clearer. I was talking about who I like among international players.

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    Don't know if this is true but I have heard the mavs are high on Bertans

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    Final early entry list:
    http://www.nba.com/2011/news/06/14/2...s=iref:nbahpt2

    The situation regarding international prospects for Spurs is cery simple this year:
    - There are 4 players (Biyombo, Motiejunas, Valanciunas and Vesely) who will be drafted well before#29.
    - At #29, there are only 2 international options with Bertans and Mirotic.
    - At #59, there are a bunch of international players born in 89. Some of them should be drafted earlier in the second round but none of them seems worth a first round pick.

    My personal preferences for Spurs picks:
    I do like both Bertans and Mirotic at #29. Both won't be able to contribute before a long time but they are good prospects.
    For #59, my ranking is: Macvan, Rabaseda, Bogdanovic, Benzing and Diot.
    Nice write up Bruno.

    At this point no one can be really stingy who are pick is unless your picking in the lottery or early 20's. Still hoping Spurs can trade with Minnesota for the 20th pick if it means giving up Hill or Blair to take a gamble too see if Singleton or Harris are still there. I would love Mirotic, kid has a lot of talent, but of course his contract overseas is scarying teams off but doubt he drops to 59. Bertans is getting a lot of good reviews back from what it seems and has a better overseas contract, and still has a lot of more pontential. Still hoping Spurs can take Jajuan Johnson if he falls. Do you know this kid is falling so much Bruno? I lke the choices at 59. Haven't read too much on Macvan but seems to have a lot of offensive talent also, not as much as mirotic but doesn't seem too far off. Also I see a lot of similarties in xavi and bojan, but seems bojan is actually picked to be drafted. I see you picked rabaseda why is that? they also both seem to have some contract issues, so not sure if you picked him because of that. Also I really hope the Spurs don't select Vuvevic from USC.

    My sceniros:
    29:Mirotic
    59:Rabaseda

    29:Bertans
    59:Macvan

    29:Johnson
    59:Rabaseda

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    Still hoping Spurs can take Jajuan Johnson if he falls. Do you know this kid is falling so much Bruno?
    When you look at mock drafts, JaJuan Johnson is often available at #29. The real draft will be different but there is a good chance that Spurs can get him if they want him.

    Also I see a lot of similarties in xavi and bojan, but seems bojan is actually picked to be drafted. I see you picked rabaseda why is that?
    Commitment.

    With European players, it is now important to wonder if these players want to go in the NBA one day. Last year, there even have a couple of talented Euros who ask team not to pick them.

    Rabaseda went to the US to work out with some teams including Spurs. As far as I know, Bogdanovic hasn't done that kidn of thing and that's why I rather go with Rabaseda.

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    Doesn't Mirotic have a long term contract that would have to be bought out at almost $3 million? I don't see the Spurs paying that.

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