what's the logical reason that A&M wants to leave for the SEC?
This is what I was getting at. If there's money in playing A&M, there's probably more money in playing someone else. , I could see Notre Dame and BYU's getting invites from the Big 12-3. They could keep their network deals.
There are certainly logical reasons why UT would not want to play A&M anymore...no big deal to UT.
Definitely could see BYU getting added.
..but for UT, even if the conference crumbles and they go independent, no reason not to believe that Notre Dame and BYU would be permanent additions to UT's schedules.
They could trade off broadcasting games on each other's networks.
I don't see anything logically stopping something like that. I don't think their recent inclusion on the schedule was a coincidence.
A&M's leaving the Big However Many affects UT much less than A&M's fans want it to, just as leaving A&M off its schedule would affect it less than would be hoped.
What an epic . What reason does OU have to leave? They and UT own the conference, and is a bigger rivalry.
If this is, in fact, the last season of the Texas-TAMU game, it'd be great to win it at home one last time.
And conversely, it'd be devastating to lose it.
BYU and ND could get invites, but ND will not join a conference unless it is forced to join a conference, like if the four 16-team super conferences are formed.
Money is not an option for ND, otherwise they would have joined the Big Ten. ND values being an indenpendent not joinging a crappy conference and keeping its TV deal. ND has a TV deal now with out a conference, thus they will not join any conference unless their status within the BCS is compromised by some sort of major reallignment scenario playing out.
True. And even if it did come to the point where ND had to join a conference, they'd join the big 10, not the big 12.
Valid reasons, I guess. I figure the biggest reason it values independence is the money, and it looks like it could keep the money in a Big 12 like UT is keeping its money.
Just idle speculation on my part. I'm not a sports business expert like every other poster on this board.
Well Notre Dame makes around 12-15 million a year from TV revenue with its NBC contract. In the Big 10 then could have made 20-22 miilion a year from the Big Ten Network had they joined a year ago. The domers just value their independence for whatever reason. It would take a lot of money to get them to join a conference, which no conference probably could offer at this point in time or drastic realignment that threatened their status within the BCS.
Fun to talk about where ND might go if radical allignment occurs one day down the road.
I'm not a sports business expert, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
I would think that would be the case too since they have established series with Michigan, Michigan State, and Purdue while trying to have a home & home series with Wisconsin.
Although with ND you just never know. A lot of old rich alumni what still offended that when ND applied for membership to the Big 10 in the 1930s and they are still bitter about that. Logically & logistically it makes sense for them to join the Big 10 if forced to join a conference, but they are unpredicitable.
many, but I do not see the point in laying it out for you. whether you agree they are logical is irrelevant...your opinion on the matter is meaningless, for me.
Agreed, great point. I do, however, expect A&M to piss pound t.u. this year at Kyle Field. Anything outside of a 17+ point victory will be disappointing, which means when A&M wins by 9, I will be disappointed.
Yeah they're kinda unpredictable, but in terms of conference alignment there's really only two options for them. Independent or big 10.
In the bigger picture, I do think we're getting pretty close to the 4-16 team superconferences. The SEC, the Pac-16, the Big-16 and probably the ACC.
Evenutally those 4 superconferences will cut their own deal to have their 4 conference champions play it out for what will be considered the national championship for all practical purposes.
Last edited by coyotes_geek; 08-26-2011 at 01:28 PM.
I agree.
Not to mention the side deal they made with the BCS regarding BCS bowl payouts and invites.
Don't recall what it is off the top of my head, but I seem to remember if they can get to a BCS bowl once every 3-4 years, then the payout would be much better as an indy than joining a conference.
Your opinion on the matter means a great deal to me.
Please lay out just one logical reason for A&M to go SEC.
I see 5 superconferences myself.
I've tried to figure out the 64 teams that would make up 4, and there are too many teams that would get left out that have legitimate reasons to be in a BCS conference.
Even 80 teams would leave out some solid schools.
I don't remember the numbers off the top of my head either but there wasn't a huge difference in payouts whether they were an independent or in a conference, but that they would receive more money than anybody else whether it be by a dollar or two.
I think the real issue is the treatment they receive in regards to being eligible for a BCS bowl. Say if the super conferences (4 or 5) form and break off from the NCAA and Notre Dame is not a part of any superconfernce, they likely won't get that "special" treatment anymore. Once that status of "special" treatment is threatned you will see ND join a conference, but I think it will take a massive reallignment for that to occur.
The problem with 5 superconferences is that 4 just works out so much better for a playoff. With 4 you just take the conference champions and you're done. With 5, you've got to have some BCS-like rating system to either leave out one of the conference champions or find three additional non-champion teams to add.
Plus, by the time the Pac-12, Big-10, SEC and ACC pluck away the 16 teams from the remaining conferences that they'll need to fill out their 16 team conferences, how much pull is that 5th 16-team conference really going to have? They'll be pretty spread out geographically and won't have the top tier anchor programs that the other conferences will have.
Figure A&M, Texas, OU, Tech, OKState & Mizzouri find homes in the other conferences. The ACC loses a couple of teams to the SEC but picks up the good teams out of the big east. So who's left to form that 5th superconference other than C-USA, and some leftovers from the big 12 & big east?
Lets not forget how this all started...
http://www.statesman.com/news/local/...10-742900.htmlThe University of Texas is virtually certain to abandon the Big 12 Conference for the Pacific-10 Conference when its governing board meets Tuesday. Texas Tech University is expected to follow along
Blame Nebraska, blame Colorado, blame A&M all you want... there is only 1 school responsible for the demise of this conference. Continue to stick up for them and be their puppet all you want. I'm sure Dodds will make great choices as your commissioner going forward.
I would agree that's the real issue for them joing a conference.
10 wins and they are a lock for a BCS bowl.
10 wins in a conference is no guarantee of a BCS bid at all.
Last edited by Blake; 08-26-2011 at 02:34 PM.
The problem with having just 4 is a bigger problem.
Thanks for showing how wrong virtual certainties can be.The University of Texas is virtually certain to abandon the Big 12 Conference for the Pacific-10 Conference when its governing board meets Tuesday.
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