Report: TJ Ford leaning toward signing with Spurs

[romain.star]

The back up PG position adresses a bit less than 0.01% of the Spurs issues.

Meanwhile, Duncan is a 47 years old PF with no quality big beside...

[The_Worlds_finest]

I can't fault the Spurs going for this guy. If he channels 3 years ago TJ, this is an absolute steal if it is for the vet min. If not, at least they have a back up with experience.

well played my friend well played

[Cane]

The back up PG position adresses a bit less than 0.01% of the Spurs issues.

After Hill got traded and with the way Parker disappointed in the playoffs, I wouldn't be so sure about that.

Meanwhile, Duncan is a 47 years old PF with no quality big beside...

Hopefully the stuff about the Spurs going after a big is true

[romain.star]

After Hill got traded and with the way Parker disappointed in the playoffs, I wouldn't be so sure about that.



Hopefully the stuff about the Spurs going after a big is true

Parker was horrible for 2 games and a half in the last Playoffs. Plus, I watched Parker at the Euro... He is just fine.

Signing a quality PG back up is luxury for teams like SA which has 0 athleltic big in the paint, 0 (proven) slasher on the wing and 0 reliable 3point shooter.

[ginobilized]

This is a solid and unspectacular signing. Typical Spurs. TJ will help if TP is injured. He will make opposing point guards pay attention on defense and help push the pace on the back to backs and 3 games in 3 days. Definitely a Jacques Vaughn, Speedy Claxton type potential.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Parker was horrible for 2 games and a half in the last Playoffs. Plus, I watched Parker at the Euro... He is just fine.

Signing a quality PG back up is luxury for teams like SA which has 0 athleltic big in the paint, 0 (proven) slasher on the wing and 0 reliable 3point shooter.

Call me when they shore up their piss-poor frontcourt, then I'll know their serious.

[ChumpDumper]

Call me when they shore up their piss-poor frontcourt, then I'll know their serious.

lakerfan wants to stay informed about the Spurs.

[romain.star]

Call me when they shore up their piss-poor frontcourt, then I'll know their serious.

JJ Barea > A Bynum

[DAF86]

Great, another perimeter player that can't shoot for .

[kjhip1]

Lakerfan forgets about how horrible Derek fisher and Steve Blake were last year...

[timvp]

I don't dispute that Ford used to be a productive player. He used to be one of the fastest guys who could get his own shot and distribute. But then he broke physically.

Reaching back to his stats 3 and 4+ years ago isn't that good a pro-Ford argument.

His team last year did a lot better after his minutes were cut from 19 to 0 right after O'Brien was fired. He wasn't the only difference under Vogel, but I don't imagine it to be a coincidence that with Ford at 19 minutes a game the Pacers were a bad team, and with Ford at 0 minutes a game they became a better team that crawled into the playoffs.

Yeah, the Pacers started 17-27 with Ford in the rotation. They then dropped him out of the rotation and went 20-16 to make the playoffs. Getting past on the depth charts by a one-legged AJ Price is an ominous sign for your career.

It's funny seeing Longhorn Fan pulling out stats from before Ford's neck almost snapped when Al Horford smashed him. I really wish this was a good signing but not only is Ford's level of play drastically declining, he's a bad fit. The last thing you want next to Manu is a guy who can't shoot, a guy who dribbles too much and a guy who can't defend his own shadow.

The only positive of this move will be seeing the upcoming clash between CoM and Longhorn Fan

[DeadlyDynasty]

JJ Barea > A Bynum

Non-issue, he'll be in Orlando soon.

[ChumpDumper]

If he's the primary backup, I don't like it. If he's vet insurance in case a Gary Neal experiment doesn't work out, that's better. Easily reversed either way, I suppose.

[lefty]

Yeah, the Pacers started 17-27 with Ford in the rotation. They then dropped him out of the rotation and went 20-16 to make the playoffs..

It has more to do with Vogel taking over as a head coach

[timvp]

It has more to do with Vogel taking over as a head coach

The previous year, the Pacers were 19-16 in games TJ Ford didn't play and 13-34 in games he did play. What was the excuse that year?

There are bad players and there are disruptively bad players. Nowadays everything suggests TJ falls into the latter category, which makes him worth less than the minimum. Unless you're the Spurs and are trying to get more Austin season ticket holders, I guess.

[romain.star]

Non-issue, he'll be in Orlando soon.

Last time I checked, he is a Laker.

Fact > FA rumors

[lefty]

The previous year, the Pacers were 19-16 in games TJ Ford didn't play and 13-34 in games he did play. What was the excuse that year?

There are bad players and there are disruptively bad players. Nowadays everything suggests TJ falls into the latter category, which makes him worth less than the minimum. Unless you're the Spurs and are trying to get more Austin season ticket holders, I guess.

TJ's presence in the rotation was a factor, I don't totally disagree with you, but Vogel totally revamped the offense; with O'Brien, it was more of a perimeter O, but with Vogel they attacked the rim.
He also moved Hansbrough and George into the starting lineup and helped restore Hibbert's confidence.

[Bruno]

People complaining about a guy that we got for the min

People not complaining about Spurs not having a decent backup PG.

[yavozerb]

Have no problem with TJ as a back up pg..Guy can run the offense, score, and create for others. Lack of size has always hurt him on the defensive end, but spurs could have done alot worse in my opinion..

[timvp]

Going back to when TJ was still pretty decent, his teams still did better without him. With the Raptors in '08, the Raptors were 19-12 in games TJ missed. In the games TJ played, the Raptors were 22-29.

So in those three seasons, his teams are 58-44 when he doesn't play and 52-90 when he plays. Damn, he might be worse than I thought.

[lefty]

Going back to when TJ was still pretty decent, his teams still did better without him. With the Raptors in '08, the Raptors were 19-12 in games TJ missed. In the games TJ played, the Raptors were 22-29.

So in those three seasons, his teams are 58-44 when he doesn't play and 52-90 when he plays. Damn, he might be worse than I thought.

It's easy to look at the records with our without a player in the lineup, and overlook other factors

Is ti possible that some Raptors players were injured when TJ was in the lineup?
Or maybe the Raps beat shorthanded teams?

[yavozerb]

Going back to when TJ was still pretty decent, his teams still did better without him. With the Raptors in '08, the Raptors were 19-12 in games TJ missed. In the games TJ played, the Raptors were 22-29.

So in those three seasons, his teams are 58-44 when he doesn't play and 52-90 when he plays. Damn, he might be worse than I thought.

Tj's number were not too bad that season:
23 mpg, 46% fg, 12 ppg, 6 ast, 2 TO..

Not great, but an average NBA pg in my opinion..

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Yeah, the Pacers started 17-27 with Ford in the rotation. They then dropped him out of the rotation and went 20-16 to make the playoffs. Getting past on the depth charts by a one-legged AJ Price is an ominous sign for your career.

It's funny seeing Longhorn Fan pulling out stats from before Ford's neck almost snapped when Al Horford smashed him. I really wish this was a good signing but not only is Ford's level of play drastically declining, he's a bad fit. The last thing you want next to Manu is a guy who can't shoot, a guy who dribbles too much and a guy who can't defend his own shadow.

The only positive of this move will be seeing the upcoming clash between CoM and Longhorn Fan

He played well in 2008, his first year in Indiana and I am not an NCAA athletics fan.

Its just been the last two years that hes been in the toilet. You've more or less linked your reputation to this so we get the joy of you bashing him at least.

[yavozerb]

It's easy to look at the records with our without a player in the lineup, and overlook other factors

Is ti possible that some Raptors players were injured when TJ was in the lineup?
Or maybe the Raps beat shorthanded teams?

good point..Bosh missed 15 games that season also.

[timvp]

It's easy to look at the records with our without a player in the lineup, and overlook other factors

Is ti possible that some Raptors players were injured when TJ was in the lineup?
Or maybe the Raps beat shorthanded teams?

How large of a sample size do you want before the finger gets pointed at TJ Ford? Three seasons is a pretty good sampling.

Tj's number were not too bad that season:
23 mpg, 46% fg, 12 ppg, 6 ast, 2 TO..

Not great, but an average NBA pg in my opinion..

Production hasn't really been his problem. He dominates the ball so much that he can't help but put up stats. The issues are more with a physical decline and a lack of realization of what he can no longer do.

Again, maybe TJ will realize his limitations and will relax now that he's paid more along the lines of his ability. Maybe he will rededicate himself now that he's away from that toxic situation in Indiana. It's possible, although unlikely. And worse, if it doesn't happen, he could hurt the team -- something you can't usually say about a player who signs for the minimum.

At the very best, TJ could be a less athletic Claxton. The rest of the possible outcomes are more along the lines of a worse version of Nick Van Exel without the three-point range.