UFC 148: July 7, 2012

[dbreiden83080]

I still don't know how people can cheer for Silva so genuinely. Did they not see him holding Chael's shorts to avoid a takedown, then hold them again for an extended period of time and THROW A PUNCH? Yves Lavigne, in one night, made himself look worse than Steve Mazzagatti's worst. He should have paused and warned Silva because of his BLATANT attempt to stall his opponent unfairly.

I also don't know how people think Chael missing a spinning backfist and tripping onto the canvas shows how the first fight was a fluke. THIS fight was Chael being stupid. had nothing to do with Silva doing anything spectacular other than capatilizing on the ref's lack of discipline and being lucky his knee didn't hit Chael's head. Disgusting .

I can see why Chael would be frustrated as Silva did stuff one TD really wonderfully that Chael put everything into but he just over-reacted. Dude you dominated round 1 just like you did at UFC 117 most of the night.. You have hit a speedbump in round 2, take a step back, take a deep breath and reset yourself.. What Chael did last night was pure panic.. Something goes wrong, rush your way through, something else goes wrong rush even faster.. For the rest of my life i will never know what was going through his head when he threw that spinning back-elbow after he missed a left jab..

He mentally collapsed last night..

[polandprzem]

Chael after he tripped was looking surprised and put himself in the worst position possible in the cage. Sitting on his ass with his back to the fence ...

I believe Kos would do more of the knee then Chael did


I'm trying to forget the whole thing but I was looking for the rematch every day after the first fight. We would be after 3rd fight probably if not for Sonnens problems with TRT /commission/ and laundry...


ing Silva

1st he hit Sonnen on weight ins / cheap shot/ [I understand if he pushed Sonnen like Wand did to Rampage but hitting like this?]

2nd Vaseline

3rd Holding on trunks

4th Knee - lucky it was bit lower


Being dominated again in the opening round he said on press conf that he knew he will finish in the second because he was not injured like in UFC 117 :
And of course he would like to fight his clone and is a friend of Jones


Truth to be told - Sonnen saved his /Silvas/ career

[polandprzem]

I can see why Chael would be frustrated as Silva did stuff one TD really wonderfully that Chael put everything into but he just over-reacted. Dude you dominated round 1 just like you did at UFC 117 most of the night.. You have hit a speedbump in round 2, take a step back, take a deep breath and reset yourself.. What Chael did last night was pure panic.. Something goes wrong, rush your way through, something else goes wrong rush even faster.. For the rest of my life i will never know what was going through his head when he threw that spinning back-elbow after he missed a left jab..

He mentally collapsed last night..

The thing is he wanted to go forward all the time not to give Anderson any room to set up.
He was too much in the heat, and that was a bad ending.
that - Chael looked better on the ground. Went to half guard and then mounted Silva.
Stupid fight

[dbreiden83080]

Chael after he tripped was looking surprised and put himself in the worst position possible in the cage. Sitting on his ass with his back to the fence ...

I believe Kos would do more of the knee then Chael did


I'm trying to forget the whole thing but I was looking for the rematch every day after the first fight. We would be after 3rd fight probably if not for Sonnens problems with TRT /commission/ and laundry...


ing Silva

1st he hit Sonnen on weight ins / cheap shot/ [I understand if he pushed Sonnen like Wand did to Rampage but hitting like this?]

2nd Vaseline

3rd Holding on trunks

4th Knee - lucky it was bit lower


Being dominated again in the opening round he said on press conf that he knew he will finish in the second because he was not injured like in UFC 117 :
And of course he would like to fight his clone and is a friend of Jones


Truth to be told - Sonnen saved his /Silvas/ career

He said that clone bull again at the presser.. How anyone can root for Silva is beyond me? Skills are unquestioned but what a fake ass-clown.. And because he will not go back up to 205 and take a risk he will keep thumping the waterded down field at 85 for a while longer.. Sonnnen was our last hope..

[polandprzem]

What a year for me


The spurs losing the way they lost
Chael losing the way he lost
me losing job the way I lost it









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I do agree dbreiden ...

[dbreiden83080]

What a year for me


The spurs losing the way they lost
Chael losing the way he lost
me losing job the way I lost it








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I do agree dbreiden ...

I'm Sorry Poland...


Yeah not a fun night..

[The TroutBum]

Blaming Yves? Really? Wow.

Face it guys, Sonnen never had a chance to beat Silva. He had his one and only hope, when Silva was not even close to 100%, and blew it like the he is. I absolutely LOVED all that about "If I don't win the le, this will all be for nothing" or some like that. Complete, absolute, and utter fail. After ALL that talking, failed.

“Before you decide my fate, know this: You can send me that way or you can send me through that same door I just walked in, but as a public service I will get rid of Anderson Silva. I will get rid of Lyota Machida. I will take out the Nogueira Brothers in the same night. I will personally BURN BLACK HOUSE DOWN. And they said ‘Mr. Sonnen, not guilty’, brought the gavel down, and I went on about my way.”

You know, now knowing what an unbelievable loser and bag Chael is, it just makes most of these quotes seem... well, even funnier. What a ing . http://chaelsonnensaidso.com/

Anyhow, the good news is is that Silva is two or three years away from either getting his ass destroyed or retiring. You can see it in his last two fights, he's wearing down and is just a tiny bit slower than he used to be. This is a wonderful thing, because as much as I hate Sonnen, Silva is right behind him.

[ace3g]

Blaming Yves? Really? Wow.

Face it guys, Sonnen never had a chance to beat Silva. He had his one and only hope, when Silva was not even close to 100%, and blew it like the he is. I absolutely LOVED all that about "If I don't win the le, this will all be for nothing" or some like that. Complete, absolute, and utter fail. After ALL that talking, failed.



You know, now knowing what an unbelievable loser and bag Chael is, it just makes most of these quotes seem... well, even funnier. What a ing . .

So what was Silva's excuse in the 1st round of the fight last night if he was 100%? Silva's weakness will always be elite wrestling. Sonnen was going to do that all night long if he doesn't slip on that spinning elbow in the 2nd round. Sure he might have panicked going for that, but it is something he was working on during open workouts, so it isn't something he just decided to do on the spot.

Also Seagal shut your F'n mouth, all part of the plan my ass...

[The TroutBum]

So what was Silva's excuse in the 1st round of the fight last night if he was 100%? Silva's weakness will always be elite wrestling. Sonnen was going to do that all night long if he doesn't slip on that spinning elbow in the 2nd round. Sure he might have panicked going for that, but it is something he was working on during open workouts, so it isn't something he just decided to do on the spot.

Also Seagal shut your F'n mouth, all part of the plan my ass...

I'm not going to pick apart the fight, as that's worthless and you know it. He said, she said, a whole of a lot of "What If's" -- pointless. The fact is, Silva won, twice. I don't think there has ever been a bigger loser in all of sports, and that is really saying something. What a travesty.

[dbreiden83080]

So what was Silva's excuse in the 1st round of the fight last night if he was 100%? Silva's weakness will always be elite wrestling. Sonnen was going to do that all night long if he doesn't slip on that spinning elbow in the 2nd round. Sure he might have panicked going for that, but it is something he was working on during open workouts, so it isn't something he just decided to do on the spot.

Also Seagal shut your F'n mouth, all part of the plan my ass...

Ariel Helwani has turned into a joke of a reporter when he used to be legit.. Sensei Seagal STFU Ariel...

And Ace this loss is a right now but Sonnen should not give up on the le. It will be very tough to get another crack at Silva but he is better now than he ever has been and he can still get right back into contention with a win over someone like Vitor in a few months... Maybe Silva will get bored and retire within a year or so... He's never fighting Jones, this i am sure of..

[ace3g]

I talked to my friend about this last night, Sonnen might be the MW version of Faber, in that there probably isn't anyone else in the division that can beat him besides Silva, and he could very well get back into le contention in 2-3 fights (and I'm not advocating a rematch with Silva right away).

Maybe if Sonnen gets another shot, he will learn from this fight and go back to just boxing and pressure. Although he could go for some short elbows (he also worked on those in the open workouts, which would have been the safer route if he wanted to throw something new at Silva in the stand up...).

Some people complained that he didn't do enough in the 1st round when he was on top but I think he focused most of his time on some sort of submission, he kept going for one of Silva's arms as if setting up a kimura or some variation.

The biggest thing is how Sonnen reacts in his next fight, how he acts in and outside of the cage.

[CubanSucks]

a shame Silva and Jones have no interest in fighting. Would be far and away the biggest fight the entire sport has ever seen. Pretty ty of both of them tbh, but moreso for Jones. I don't wanna hear that idolizing bull . Your job is to fight people

[shyne]

a shame Silva and Jones have no interest in fighting. Would be far and away the biggest fight the entire sport has ever seen. Pretty ty of both of them tbh, but moreso for Jones. I don't wanna hear that idolizing bull . Your job is to fight people

No they both need to stop being es. You never know though that payday might be to much to pass up.

[Rip-Hamilton32]

I can't stand the fact that they even think about standing a fight up, Silva starts every round with an advantage to begin with, let's say Silva isn't striking when they are standing for a certain period of time they don't put the fight on the ground its just ridiculous ( yes i know this fight wasn't stood up, but it shouldn't be in any case IMO)

[dbreiden83080]

Some people complained that he didn't do enough in the 1st round when he was on top but I think he focused most of his time on some sort of submission, he kept going for one of Silva's arms as if setting up a kimura or some variation.

The biggest thing is how Sonnen reacts in his next fight, how he acts in and outside of the cage.

I rewatched it one last time and i really feel like Sonnnen didn't get a fair shake in the fight thanks to the worst reffing i have ever seen by Lavine. He grabbed Chael's shorts for a good 20 seconds in RD 2, first to avoid the TD then to lead him into a right hand. Basically Silva after 6 rounds of being underneath Sonnen getting beat up, decided to cheat this time and see how far they would allow him to push the rules? They allowed quite a bit..

[ace3g]

yeah and Silva knew Lavine was behind him and at the wrong angle because when he finally decided to get to the other side to see if Silva was holding the shorts, Silva let go...

Sucks because it was so blatant...

NSAC's Keith Kizer 'Very Unhappy' With Anderson Silva Following UFC 148

http://www.mmafighting.com/2012/7/9/...va-fights-wont

[Stand]

So what was Silva's excuse in the 1st round of the fight last night if he was 100%? Silva's weakness will always be elite wrestling. Sonnen was going to do that all night long if he doesn't slip on that spinning elbow in the 2nd round. Sure he might have panicked going for that, but it is something he was working on during open workouts, so it isn't something he just decided to do on the spot.

Also Seagal shut your F'n mouth, all part of the plan my ass...

Uh I think it was pretty obvious Silva had his full mobility this fight and that translated into him taking little to no damage in the round, even while mounted. Now if Chael is some sort of point fighter who was playing a position game then I guess he could be happy with that round, but I doubt that was the case.

And while Seagal might be a bit of a clown shoe he isn't wrong.

[Stand]

And I love the irony of Chael fans crying about cheating. Here you are rooting for the guys who got busted juicing in the first fight and you are going to bring up cheating? hahaha Chael asked for everything he got in that fight, and that is probably a large part of why he didn't cry about it after the fact. But if it makes you feel any better his trainer is trying to cry about it for you.

[dbreiden83080]

Silva's full mobility resulted in no difference between UFC 117 and UFC 148 in round 1. Chael was looking for more submissions in that round than damage this time.. He stuffed one great TD from Chael in round 2 then he started cheating horribly.. All i ask for is a fair shake in the cage.. Look at the fight Chael did not get one... If i grab your shorts for 20 seconds than sock you with a right hand, you are gonna be pretty mad at the ref..

[CubanSucks]

And I love the irony of Chael fans crying about cheating. Here you are rooting for the guys who got busted juicing in the first fight and you are going to bring up cheating?

I could've sworn it was just a lack of communication between Chael and the California Athletic Board, or whatever the they're called, regarding his MEDICATION hormones. Pretty sure you don't know what you're talking about but I apologize in advance if you're able to prove me wrong

[ace3g]

yes there was a mix up with his TRT treatment (not steroids) which is legal by the commission.

[Stand]

I could've sworn it was just a lack of communication between Chael and the California Athletic Board, or whatever the they're called, regarding his MEDICATION hormones. Pretty sure you don't know what you're talking about but I apologize in advance if you're able to prove me wrong

And you would be wrong. His levels were well outside of what the commission allows. Nice try though.

[Stand]

Silva's full mobility resulted in no difference between UFC 117 and UFC 148 in round 1. Chael was looking for more submissions in that round than damage this time.. He stuffed one great TD from Chael in round 2 then he started cheating horribly.. All i ask for is a fair shake in the cage.. Look at the fight Chael did not get one... If i grab your shorts for 20 seconds than sock you with a right hand, you are gonna be pretty mad at the ref..

Yeah you completely missed out on what was actually happening in that first round. Chael was being overly cautious because of the threat of the submissions from the bottom. Which definitely had to do with Silvas movement and his breaking down of Chael's posture. Chael tried to threaten some half hearted submission attempts, but it is laughable to think he was going to be able to get anything without softening up Silva first. You can probably make an argument that Chael was trying to pace himself, but I have my doubts he could have won with that strategy.

[dbreiden83080]

Yeah you completely missed out on what was actually happening in that first round. Chael was being overly cautious because of the threat of the submissions from the bottom.

I didn't miss anything at all.. Chael looked to control an arm, Chael worked him towards the cage, he did land some hard right hands from close in the guard and overall was looking to win round 1 while laying the groundwork for RD 2 and beyond. Chael was tired in round 5 at UFC 117 he probably wanted to save some gas for the later rounds when in round 1 at UFC 117 he tried hard to hurt Silva...

You can probably make an argument that Chael was trying to pace himself, but I have my doubts he could have won with that strategy.

If Silva had not grabbed the trunks for dear life to avoid another 5 min on the bottom from Sonnen who knows??

And all that said, Sonnen did fight stupid and over-react to Silva's TDD.. 50% of the blame lies with him.. I'll give 5% to Silva's cheating, 5% to Lavine's reffing and 40% to Silva being just that good..

[ace3g]

was on YT and one of the suggested vids on the sidebar to watch was Seagal training with Machida and his go to move must be "this is illegal but this is legal ". That is all he was emphasizing with Machida... He must think he is the guru of all the grey areas of striking that would be allowed, lol,


Oh and during that Ariel vid I posted where he said he taught Silva 3 or 4 new moves in the stand up, well he also mention he taught Silva how not to get taken down, so I guess his lessons were grease yourself up and hold the shorts...