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    You are sure...

    This is not a good way to convince anyone. This is not an organization you want staffed with people who lie. You want good data on this. This requires good science and good stats. To be correct in this arena is in the US economic interest.
    It doesn't matter what staffing anybody wants, all Federal agencies are captured, staffed by industry types, lobbyists, etc, who look after industry profits, not Human-American interests.

    Look at the $10Bs in penalties, fines, compensation AND DEATHS AND MAIMING by BigPharma AFTER the captured FDA approved their crap.

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    ^angry name caller ^ always angry^ always labeling ^ always boring^
    lol you're just as stupid as SA210. lol you're fat and away the most angry person on this entire board.

    I can literally see your face red with anger in every post until SA210 runs in to massage your prostate.

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    I'm going to sabatoge this thread with my troll tendencies out of pure butthurt, per par.

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    ^ snitch ^

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    I too came to be a troll and sabotage this thread.. again out of my own pure butthurt, I will snitch and cry to the forum owners later on about others posts though. I'm a like that. 80,000 posts of iness

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    SA210 sabotaging the saboteur efforts at sabotage

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    if there is any proof, I'm sure it's studies performed by BigPharma

    truth is there is no study needed to tell me a healthy adult does not require a yearly flu shot. None whatsoever. It's a big money making scam. And many ignorant masses fell headfirst into it.
    I have now been convinced to get vaccinated.

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    I'm sure the CDC is as captured by industry, staffed throughout by industry lobbyists, as any other Federal agency.
    So let's get rid of the CDC because it is a corrupt government ins ution ...?

    The CDC does nothing to actually help people and is a waste of money as it serves big Pharma. Welcome to the Tparty boutons! You are now a registered member, congrats. And the evidence you supplied is as profound as your new affiliation requires.

    Is it stunning that your dogmatic ways lead you right into the camp of your sworn enemies? You are THEM.

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    So let's get rid of the CDC because it is a corrupt government ins ution ...?

    The CDC does nothing to actually help people and is a waste of money as it serves big Pharma. Welcome to the Tparty boutons! You are now a registered member, congrats. And the evidence you supplied is as profound as your new affiliation requires.

    Is it stunning that your dogmatic ways lead you right into the camp of your sworn enemies? You are THEM.
    tea baggers ain't gonna do about corporate capture of govt regulators.

    The whole reason the VRWC/1% is financing, duping the tea baggers is for tea baggers like Cruz to up and defund govt so the VRWC/1% have a more free hand to all of us over.

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    tea baggers ain't gonna do about corporate capture of govt regulators.

    The whole reason the VRWC/1% is financing, duping the tea baggers is for tea baggers like Cruz to up and defund govt so the VRWC/1% have a more free hand to all of us over.
    Your reasoning is right down the Tparty line. Government is too big and a waste of money, for jobs that are not needed, to corrupt and in bed with profiteers. Do you remember some of the major events that got this party fully underway? The bad mortgages, horrible govt oversight maybe even complicity, and the investment banks getting away with criminal activities as well as too big to fail?

    Welcome to the team. Your evidence that the CDC is run by big Pharma therfore despensible puts you in their camp. And you did not even realize it. BTW you have presented ZERO evidence of this deep corruption.

    If you actually practice any self examination of your principles it is painfully obvious that you rationalize your huge inconsistencies away. Every thinking human being does this to some degree (rationalize inconsistencies). The Nazis on this board swim in this practice or maybe not at all, they are too stupid to see it. Make you feel good?

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    "Do you remember some of the major events that got this party fully underway?"

    yep, America was about to and then did elect a n!gg@, so old, white, male, rural, low-wage tea baggers got $100Ms from Kock Bros, etc and took back the House in 2010. Govt has been ed up ever since, which includes badly hurting Ms of poor, white tea baggers.


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    "How do you know what works?"

    Nature will tell you, try it out lol
    How do you differentiate that from the placebo effect?

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    if there is any proof, I'm sure it's studies performed by BigPharma

    truth is there is no study needed to tell me a healthy adult does not require a yearly flu shot. None whatsoever. It's a big money making scam. And many ignorant masses fell headfirst into it.
    You don't see that as circular reasoning and flawed logic?

    "I know it is false because BigPHarma said it"

    "how do you know that?"

    "Because bigPharma always lies"

    This is, by the way, the classic ad hominem logical fallacy.

    Answer this one simple question:


    If it is raining outside and an umbrella salesman tells you that you need an umbrella, is that salesperson lying to you because they are an umbrella salesman?

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    Don't bother, there's no way to have a logical debate in this thread. I simply won't waste time on people who do not have the fundamental background on the science and are unwilling to educate themselves.

    You can look at the scientific data critically and come to your own conclusions independent of 'Big Pharma' or conspiracy wackjobs. But you're not going to get that here - sensationalist rhetoric and YouTube videos are much easier.

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    How do you differentiate that from the placebo effect?
    The false placebo effect you get from listening to fake Obama speeches is much different than actual results experienced through natural healthcare for your body's true health and well being.

    Your body was made to fight off sickness and disease. I know you think that when you have a headache that taking a Tylenol is the cure all (or u stay in denial about it and just keep popping them) ..but you aren't Tylenol deficient, you're deficient somewhere else (could be many reasons like not enough water, lack of sleep, chemical drug causing it, toxins in your body, wrong foods, obesity etc). Instead of finding out why you got the headache to begin with and reversing that..people like you will just pop pills to temporarily mask a symptom, thereby making it worse. You never reversed the reason you got the headache..and the pills will do more damage to you long-term and create more problems elsewhere on top of the problem you already have. Toxicity grows over time from the unnatural chemical pills (and bad foods, environment, lack of exercise, lifestyle etc) damaging health, immune system, organs, and causing problems later in life like liver damage, cancer, etc, and you get more prone to sickness and disease every year, which is why you get sick, your kids get sick, but I don't and neither does my child. Everyone says this crap about there being a "bug" going around every year around this time of year. I everytime I hear that garbage and watch people sniffling sick at work with tissue, calling into work..staying home from school..taking NyQuil..antibiotics etc, as a normal way of life lol.

    I never worry about a bug. My immune system won't allow these sick people to make me sick. Year in and year out, "bugs" don't bother me. You could be vomiting all around me in the same room, stomach virus..and I'll be fine. I was around someone that had the H1N1 before, didn't catch it. The bug isn't the problem, it's your weakened immune system and your health.. and your programmed false knowledge of what real healthcare actually is (your doctor will misinform you that your immune system is just fine, based on their flawed knowledge). You have yet to tell me why a healthy person NEEDS a flu shot, or any person. I have never gotten a flu shot and have gotten no flu in over 8 years, and I wont this year. My daughter also gets no flu..but we take no flu shot, meanwhile I see ppl getting that bogus shot every year and not only do a lot of them get sick afterwards, they are the same ppl who get those "common colds" and "bugs" etc throughout the year lol. I just read recently that children on average get sick in some way 6 times a year. Wow. If I had to think really hard about it, my child has been sick maybe twice in her entire life. Versus the average 6 times a year??? same for my friends children, she also practices natural. Explain that..I'm interested RG, bc anyone else I know through my networking or friends who practices natural healthcare is basically the same way. Coincidence??? Even if I do get sick, thats fine, our immune system sometimes needs it, no reason to shove chemicals in me though when I dont need them. Let the body and the power of nature do its work.

    Will I never ever get sick?? Of course I probably will..maybe, I'm human..but my immune system is so strong it fights sickness off much faster than yours would. What is the effect of eating a bunch of gmo and chemical junk food for a lifetime on top of popping unnatural chemicals drugs that were never meant to be consumed by our natural bodies vs a lifetime of eating organic no chemical no gmo, natural foods and 60% of diet consisting of live foods like fruits and vegetables, juicing and whole food (natural) vitamin supplementation? Do you really believe there isn't a huge difference??? What it going to hurt you to try it out for 6 months..go ahead. I know you're butthurt about any of my stances, even though about 4-5 years ago you agreed with a lot of things I said lol, but look, even though you e-hate me for some reason...your health would be so much better if you tried it. You'd feel like running a marathon tbh And this isn't about "feeling" smarter, it's just true information. If that's a threat to you for whatever reason, that's your problem, not mine. Hope you look into it..instead of asking me questions on things you already have your mind made up on anyway..it'd be wise to try it out yourself.
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    The false placebo effect you get from listening to fake Obama speeches is much different than actual results experienced through natural healthcare for your body's true health and well being.

    Your body was made to fight off sickness and disease. I know you think that when you have a headache that taking a Tylenol is the cure all (or u stay in denial about it and just keep popping them) ..but you aren't Tylenol deficient, you're deficient somewhere else (could be many reasons like not enough water, lack of sleep, chemical drug causing it, toxins in your body, wrong foods, obesity etc). Instead of finding out why you got the headache to begin with and reversing that..people like you will just pop pills to temporarily mask a symptom, thereby making it worse. You never reversed the reason you got the headache..and the pills will do more damage to you long-term and create more problems elsewhere on top of the problem you already have. Toxicity grows over time from the unnatural chemical pills (and bad foods, environment, lack of exercise, lifestyle etc) damaging health, immune system, organs, and causing problems later in life like liver damage, cancer, etc, and you get more prone to sickness and disease every year, which is why you get sick, your kids get sick, but I don't and neither does my child. Everyone says this crap about there being a "bug" going around every year around this time of year. I everytime I hear that garbage and watch people sniffling sick at work with tissue, calling into work..staying home from school..taking NyQuil..antibiotics etc, as a normal way of life lol.

    I never worry about a bug. My immune system won't allow these sick people to make me sick. Year in and year out, "bugs" don't bother me. You could be vomiting all around me in the same room, stomach virus..and I'll be fine. I was around someone that had the H1N1 before, didn't catch it. The bug isn't the problem, it's your weakened immune system and your health.. and your programmed false knowledge of what real healthcare actually is (your doctor will misinform you that your immune system is just fine, based on their flawed knowledge). You have yet to tell me why a healthy person NEEDS a flu shot, or any person. I have never gotten a flu shot and have gotten no flu in over 8 years, and I wont this year. My daughter also gets no flu..but we take no flu shot, meanwhile I see ppl getting that bogus shot every year and not only do a lot of them get sick afterwards, they are the same ppl who get those "common colds" and "bugs" etc throughout the year lol. I just read recently that children on average get sick in some way 6 times a year. Wow. If I had to think really hard about it, my child has been sick maybe twice in her entire life. Versus the average 6 times a year??? same for my friends children, she also practices natural. Explain that..I'm interested RG, bc anyone else I know through my networking or friends who practices natural healthcare is basically the same way. Coincidence??? Even if I do get sick, thats fine, our immune system sometimes needs it, no reason to shove chemicals in me though when I dont need them. Let the body and the power of nature do its work.

    Will I never ever get sick?? Of course I probably will..maybe, I'm human..but my immune system is so strong it fights sickness off much faster than yours would. What is the effect of eating a bunch of gmo and chemical junk food for a lifetime on top of popping unnatural chemicals drugs that were never meant to be consumed by our natural bodies vs a lifetime of eating organic no chemical no gmo, natural foods and 60% of diet consisting of live foods like fruits and vegetables, juicing and whole food (natural) vitamin supplementation? Do you really believe there isn't a huge difference??? What it going to hurt you to try it out for 6 months..go ahead. I know you're butthurt about any of my stances, even though about 4-5 years ago you agreed with a lot of things I said lol, but look, even though you e-hate me for some reason...your health would be so much better if you tried it. You'd feel like running a marathon tbh And this isn't about "feeling" smarter, it's just true information. If that's a threat to you for whatever reason, that's your problem, not mine. Hope you look into it..instead of asking me questions on things you already have your mind made up on anyway..it'd be wise to try it out yourself.
    That isn't really an answer to my question that I could tell.

    How do you differentiate the effects of natural medicine from the placebo effect?

    As for why a healthy person needs a flu shot, to my understanding:

    A healthy person does not. That is however, beside the point.

    Healthy people are encouraged to get flu shots, because flu shots increase immune response times to actual flu, making any illness shorter, and lessening the contagious period. This keeps outbreaks more minor, and exposes fewer unhealthy people to potentially harmful flu.

    As to when or if you get more sick or less sick than an "average" family:

    I do not have enough data to be able to say for certain if that is indeed the case.

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    The false placebo effect you get from listening to fake Obama speeches is much different than actual results experienced through natural healthcare for your body's true health and well being.

    Your body was made to fight off sickness and disease. I know you think that when you have a headache that taking a Tylenol is the cure all (or u stay in denial about it and just keep popping them) ..but you aren't Tylenol deficient, you're deficient somewhere else (could be many reasons like not enough water, lack of sleep, chemical drug causing it, toxins in your body, wrong foods, obesity etc). Instead of finding out why you got the headache to begin with and reversing that..people like you will just pop pills to temporarily mask a symptom, thereby making it worse. You never reversed the reason you got the headache..and the pills will do more damage to you long-term and create more problems elsewhere on top of the problem you already have. Toxicity grows over time from the unnatural chemical pills (and bad foods, environment, lack of exercise, lifestyle etc) damaging health, immune system, organs, and causing problems later in life like liver damage, cancer, etc, and you get more prone to sickness and disease every year, which is why you get sick, your kids get sick, but I don't and neither does my child. Everyone says this crap about there being a "bug" going around every year around this time of year. I everytime I hear that garbage and watch people sniffling sick at work with tissue, calling into work..staying home from school..taking NyQuil..antibiotics etc, as a normal way of life lol.

    I never worry about a bug. My immune system won't allow these sick people to make me sick. Year in and year out, "bugs" don't bother me. You could be vomiting all around me in the same room, stomach virus..and I'll be fine. I was around someone that had the H1N1 before, didn't catch it. The bug isn't the problem, it's your weakened immune system and your health.. and your programmed false knowledge of what real healthcare actually is (your doctor will misinform you that your immune system is just fine, based on their flawed knowledge). You have yet to tell me why a healthy person NEEDS a flu shot, or any person. I have never gotten a flu shot and have gotten no flu in over 8 years, and I wont this year. My daughter also gets no flu..but we take no flu shot, meanwhile I see ppl getting that bogus shot every year and not only do a lot of them get sick afterwards, they are the same ppl who get those "common colds" and "bugs" etc throughout the year lol. I just read recently that children on average get sick in some way 6 times a year. Wow. If I had to think really hard about it, my child has been sick maybe twice in her entire life. Versus the average 6 times a year??? same for my friends children, she also practices natural. Explain that..I'm interested RG, bc anyone else I know through my networking or friends who practices natural healthcare is basically the same way. Coincidence??? Even if I do get sick, thats fine, our immune system sometimes needs it, no reason to shove chemicals in me though when I dont need them. Let the body and the power of nature do its work.

    Will I never ever get sick?? Of course I probably will..maybe, I'm human..but my immune system is so strong it fights sickness off much faster than yours would. What is the effect of eating a bunch of gmo and chemical junk food for a lifetime on top of popping unnatural chemicals drugs that were never meant to be consumed by our natural bodies vs a lifetime of eating organic no chemical no gmo, natural foods and 60% of diet consisting of live foods like fruits and vegetables, juicing and whole food (natural) vitamin supplementation? Do you really believe there isn't a huge difference??? What it going to hurt you to try it out for 6 months..go ahead. I know you're butthurt about any of my stances, even though about 4-5 years ago you agreed with a lot of things I said lol, but look, even though you e-hate me for some reason...your health would be so much better if you tried it. You'd feel like running a marathon tbh And this isn't about "feeling" smarter, it's just true information. If that's a threat to you for whatever reason, that's your problem, not mine. Hope you look into it..instead of asking me questions on things you already have your mind made up on anyway..it'd be wise to try it out yourself.
    You are a sincere quack.

    How do you know you are not infected? Because you don't show symptoms? You may be the whole reason people around you are getting sick... You could be full of viruses every time a flu bug hits. I also do not get sick, never had the flu as a teenager or adult. You can still carry it.

    You are yet another case of blissful ignorance walking around, thank God your misinformation is not a transmissible disease.

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    SA210, do you think you will ever die? Because form the sounds of it you've unlocked the secret to immortality.

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    You are a sincere quack.

    How do you know you are not infected? Because you don't show symptoms? You may be the whole reason people around you are getting sick... You could be full of viruses every time a flu bug hits. I also do not get sick, never had the flu as a teenager or adult. You can still carry it.

    You are yet another case of blissful ignorance walking around, thank God your misinformation is not a transmissible disease.
    My gf was born with the flu, was on life support for a few weeks and has never gotten it since. She does catch colds, but no flu.

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    My gf was born with the flu, was on life support for a few weeks and has never gotten it since. She does catch colds, but no flu.
    That may have been her vaccination. Or she may still get the virus (there are of course many forms with various combinations of H and N antigens) but show no symptoms. It would be interesting to get her in for a virus er when people around her have the symptoms. Sometimes the health dept. asks people to come in and give blood so they can get a er.

    This is also a reason many doctors want children outside playing in the dirt, etc... They inoculate themselves early to many things in the environment. I was always outside wading around in creeks and in the woods. But I damn sure got my DPT vaccine and Polio vaccine as well. Tetanus also. My great grandpa died of tetanus, no vaccine available.
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    You don't see that as circular reasoning and flawed logic?

    "I know it is false because BigPHarma said it"

    "how do you know that?"
    I never said "I know it is false". I raised the question, how can you take BigPharma's studies as truth when they have billions of dollars at stake? (question)

    "Because bigPharma always lies"
    never claimed this either. you have a problem making up stuff IMO

    Answer this one simple question:
    you keep asking question yet you never answered my original question. Why does a healthy adult need a flu shot dose every year?

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    I never said "I know it is false". I raised the question, how can you take BigPharma's studies as truth when they have billions of dollars at stake? (question)



    never claimed this either. you have a problem making up stuff IMO



    you keep asking question yet you never answered my original question. Why does a healthy adult need a flu shot dose every year?
    Because the healthy adult could be a carrier. By getting a vaccine probability would be that the healthy adult would not carry the virus if exposed while vaccinated. But to with the people around you, just sneeze on them. And healthy adults can get the flu virus with the symptoms.

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    SA210, do you think you will ever die? Because form the sounds of it you've unlocked the secret to immortality.

    I never said that, at all. That's just your lie and very weak attempt at trying to discredit truth that makes you feel uneasy. But thanks for being afraid of learning you have to unlearn the garbage you were programmed to believe tbh.

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    You are a sincere quack.

    How do you know you are not infected? Because you don't show symptoms? You may be the whole reason people around you are getting sick... You could be full of viruses every time a flu bug hits. I also do not get sick, never had the flu as a teenager or adult. You can still carry it.

    You are yet another case of blissful ignorance walking around, thank God your misinformation is not a transmissible disease.
    Everything you just spewed, sadly, it pure quack talk tbh.

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