Julian Mozo's article: Scola wants to play in the NBA this year

[timvp]

Your post almost make sence for a change. Well almost anyway. At least you did not turn what you don't know into a thrashing of Scola's character, putting the knife to your own.

I agree that Scola's agent should have settled the buyout number outside of any contract that may be offered. In fact, he is an idiot for not having a solid number long ago, before Scola's desire to play in the NBA was common knowledge, and before his stock elevated with a solid 2 years of post play.

But what is, is what is. And what is clear, is that Tau has the number high enough that neither Scola and consequently the Spurs have many options to now bring him the the NBA. Unless Tau decides to give him up, which is slim and none. It is business, plain an simple. And none of the three players are doing anything wrong.


Where was this post before I attempted a timvp bash? I must have missed it.

Indeed.

[5ToolMan]

It was more the delivery.

Point taken. I was playing just a little. It is clear TiMVP is a big enough man to take it.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Seeing you vent out on a ONLINE POSTER is quite funny, I honestly just can't take 7 year old seriously

But maybe if you at least PRETEND to know what the your talking about I'll take you more seriously then LakerGod

keep trying son, maybe you'll get it

Whatever you say Shawn Michaels. Have you figured out what country Oberto played for last year? Howabout Manu? Scola?

, do you even know who Tim Duncan played for last year?

you know as much as everyone else does on the subject yet you act like you tell everyone else they're wrong

This coming from a dork named after a wrestler who kept arguing with everyone for 8 pages on the Oberto signing saying that you knew more than everyone else at the site, despite the fact you didn't even know what team Oberto played for last year.

Have a nice day, chump.

[whottt]

Smeagol and other Scola defenders...

If the guy publicly asks to be traded, he's a whiner, period. End of discussion. I don't care if he's smiling and dancing the Samba while he is doing it...That's the way it's done in San Antonio...we don't have any damn drama queens on this team. We got guys that keep their mouth shut, play ball, and don't give reporters incentive to stir crap up and cause distractions...and if they have a problem, they take it the Spurs brass...not the media. That's the way it is on this team. About the only guy that could get away with that was Drob...and Drob earned that right(not to mention it was the smart thing for the Spurs to do).


You trade his ass before he even finishes saying tra---- and say good riddance.

I don't care if he's Lebron James...you trade him.

That is the absolute worst thing a player can say publicly. The absolute worst thing.

I never can figure what Pop will do...but IMO...Scola's comments gurantee he will never suit up in a Spurs uniform even if the Spurs did want him.

[DesiSpur_21]

Smeagol and other Scola defenders...

If the guy publicly asks to be traded, he's a whiner, period. End of discussion. I don't care if he's smiling and dancing the Samba while he is doing it...That's the way it's done in San Antonio...we don't have any damn drama queens on this team. We got guys that keep their mouth shut, play ball, and don't give reporters incentive to stir crap up and cause distractions...and if they have a problem, they take it the Spurs brass...not the media. That's the way it is on this team. About the only guy that could get away with that was Drob...and Drob earned that right(not to mention it was the smart thing for the Spurs to do).


You trade his ass before he even finishes saying tra---- and say good riddance.

I don't care if he's Lebron James...you trade him.

I never can figure what Pop will do...but IMO...Scola's comments gurantee he will never suit up in a Spurs uniform even if the Spurs did want him.

Whott is right on. Admiral almost didn't get away with it until some good sense prevailed. The organization has been running this way for years now and that's how it is going to be for a long time from now.

[whottt]

And the villians in all of this...those that did Scola wrong...are not the Spurs.

It's whoever got him into a contract with that ludicrous buyout...

And the main villian is his Euroleague team...Does it sound like they are being reasonable wanting double digit millions?

Having to take it to arbitration is not negotiating with Tau...that means Tau isn't budging and they know full well what the effect will be...they know the Spurs can't wait...no contending team can.

And he's not going to be that easy to trade for those same reasons.

They don't want Scola to leave. They lost their other stars...it's not the Spurs that did this to him...it's the Euroleague team being incredibly unreasonable. He needs to be calling them out...not the Spurs.

[Athenea]

Many people have referred to him as a whiner long before this happened -- noting that he complained to the press when RC asked him to work on his rebounding/defense.

So get over it.

Who?
I addressed all Whottt's points w/facts and not even u could contradict me. And he never complained to the press about RC mails. He refused to talk about it and the rest was a rumor.
We don't need any more mess aside from the ty info we get/got about the Scola saga.
Scola is in -up situation. Blame his agent, blame Tau, blame the Spurs FO and blame Scola for signing a contract w/Tau and taking a risk in order to improve in the sport he loves at age of 17.
If Nocioni could get a 3 years/10 mill contract, I just can't imagine why Scola can't expect the same for himself. And I just can't imagine also why Scola is not a great fit for the Spurs.
Anywhoo...I hope this works some day for the player because it's obviously working for the teams involved. Tau and Spurs choose the status quo in detriment of Scola's needs. RickVB's analysis seems to be the more accurate.

[milkyway21]

damn, 245 posts...

anyway, I'm happy we got Oberto, a great fit for this team. Good scorer and rebounder. I just want to say good luck to Scola to see action in the NBA next yr or so. If it's going to be with the Spurs, great! If not , then i hope we could get a decent trade.

Sorry, Scola. For the meantime, I am so excited waiting how Oberto plays in the next season. I really admire his game in the World and the Olympics....

[spvrs]

You trade his ass before he even finishes saying tra---- and say good riddance.

I don't care if he's Lebron James...you trade him.

great post! what do you work at a car wash or somethign?

you're a bush guy right? 'smoke them out of the holes', 'your either for us or against us'

[spvrs]

5ToolMan, although it's hard not too it's best to realize a message board is for posting not for reading... it's like 100 guys standing around talking as loud as they can at the same time. idea is you twist anything around to go with any preconcieved notions you have. (I seem to be able to work getting rid of Rasho into anything). Adding 'you obivoulsy don't watch basketball' or 'you don't even know the guy is from this country' plus a few curse words helps the low IQ posters with their street creed. Don't worry about facts, rumor and made up stuff is your friend.

then the guys with the sticks up their azzes like Dump can a) add a one word smart ass comment to everything b) comb through the 10000 page collective bargining agreement to make you look like an idiot c) fire both barrels into the functional re whottt or if all that doesn't work he can make shyt up.

[Mr. Body]

you're a bush guy right? 'smoke them out of the holes', 'your either for us or against us'

Clearly the Spurs do a better job planning for upcoming seasons that the Bush Administration ever did.

[smeagol]

If the guy publicly asks to be traded, he's a whiner, period. End of discussion. I don't care if he's smiling and dancing the Samba while he is doing it...

Dancing the Samba?

WTF, is Scola Brazilean now?

You shoul've said dancing the tango

[Marcus Bryant]

man are we Spurs fans or what? Frankly I could care less if Scola had his feelings hurt.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Oberto will now be known as Fabri.

I used some Fabri on my furniture fabrics just last week.

Gave 'em a fresh, outdoor scent.

[nkdlunch]

If the guy publicly asks to be traded, he's a whiner, period. End of discussion.

Most of the time, but if the guy was expecting to get some playtime next season and the only way to achieve that now is to play for another team?

[wildbill2u]

The Spurs make numbers after Horry´s renegotiation and send an offer under 7 millions for 3 years. For Luis and his agent it wasn´t convincent?, because with that money they must pay the buyout agreement (3.2 millions) and taxes 40% (1.28 million)


I don´t know if i'm right with the translation...

check it out on
http://www.ole.clarin.com/jsp/v3/pag...?pagId=1016788

Close enough. I make it:

Los Spurs hicieron cuentas tras la renovación de Horry (costó más dinero del esperado) [The Spurs made a calculation after resigning Horry which cost them more than they expected (hoped)

y enviaron una oferta un poco menor a 7.000.000 de dólares por tres años. Para Luis [And they sent an offer of a little less than $7,000,000 for three years to Luis]

y su gente no resultaba del todo convincente, [And his people didn't turn out to be completely convinced]

ya que de ese dinero debían deducir el pago de la cláusula (unos 3.200.000) y los impuestos (cercanos al 40%). [since from this money they had to deduct the buy-out clause of some $3,200,000 and the taxes (nearly 40%).]

So Scola couldn't live with the $7,000,000 for three year deal and that's that. Apparently neither side negotiated much, especially the Spurs when Oberto was available for less.

[ace3g]

[The Spurs made a calculation after resigning Horry which cost them more than they expected (hoped)

yeah but that doesnt take away from the MLE because we had Horry's bird rights so it didnt account from the MLE

[WalterBenitez]

At this point I think ... how in f...g world, Scola's parents signed that contract (pay attention that Luis Scola was underage).

As my professor used to say ... PLEASE READ BEFORE SIGNING.

[wildbill2u]

[QUOTE A contractual difference of 7M/3 years to 9M/3years would not have broken the bank for the Spurs. I think the Spurs were a little cheapo based on this recent information, but we will never know for sure.[/QUOTE]

9 million to a PF NBA newcomer who would play backup to Tim (and maybe Horry for the foreseeable future)? That's a lot of money for not many minutes.

And add to that the TAU threat to take this to court, based on their intepretation of the contract. It really doesn't matter if they are right, they'd probably stall things long enough to make any Spurs/Scola deal an impossibiltiy or hold out for a buy out costing more than Scola's peoples' interpretation. Tau has the cards here and they are fighting to keep their star.

[wildbill2u]

[The Spurs made a calculation after resigning Horry which cost them more than they expected (hoped)

yeah but that doesnt take away from the MLE because we had Horry's bird rights so it didnt account from the MLE

Horry (and all the NBA contract stuff) doesn't really have anything to do with it. The problem revolves around Scola's contract with TAU and they way TAU is defending it with high numbers. Regardless of whether the Spurs could have sweetened the pot, if TAU holds out for 14.5 million or court, then the deal is unmakeable for this year. You can say this is a legal highjacking, but they have a right to try and get what they think is contractually owed.

[pache100]

Horry (and all the NBA contract stuff) doesn't really have anything to do with it. The problem revolves around Scola's contract with TAU and they way TAU is defending it with high numbers.

Seems like some people REFUSE to get that, huh?

[FoxMulder]

Dancing the Samba?

WTF, is Scola Brazilean now?

You shoul've said dancing the tango

Maybe it was Zamba not Samba

"...Zamba de mi esperanza, amanecida como un querer..."

[FoxMulder]

Most of the time, but if the guy was expecting to get some playtime next season and the only way to achieve that now is to play for another team?

If somebody have you locked up then you must say something.
Scola is stuck between Spurs and Tau... I think he wants to play in the NBA... but is been a difficult relationship with the Spurs so far...

Put yourselves in Scola's place...
If they don´t want you bad enough... why they draft you?
If they knew the buyout clause... why they draft you?
If they don´t want to pay the buyout... why they draft you?

If you improve every aspect of your game to satisfied coaches and managers complains...
If you were the top scorer in the Olimpycs games... and still you can´t prove you are good enough to play in the team... You will feel very, very dissapointed... plus if somebody says...
"Hey we want you!! But you must pay to play with us..."

I would say "Thanks a lot!!! I will seek another chances"

I´m feeling a real headache...

[Rick Von Braun]

A contractual difference of 7M/3 years to 9M/3years would not have broken the bank for the Spurs. I think the Spurs were a littlecheapo based on this recent information, but we will never know for sure.

9 million to a PF NBA newcomer who would play backup to Tim (and maybe Horry for the foreseeable future)? That's a lot of money for not many minutes.

And add to that the TAU threat to take this to court, based on their intepretation of the contract. It really doesn't matter if they are right, they'd probably stall things long enough to make any Spurs/Scola deal an impossibiltiy or hold out for a buy out costing more than Scola's peoples' interpretation. Tau has the cards here and they are fighting to keep their star.

The difference between a 7M/3 years and a 9M/3 years is 600K for the first year of the contract. Assuming a $5M MLE, the Spurs would have had $2.3M from the MLE this year to make additional deals. With Oberto's contract (reported as 7.5M/3 years) they will have $2.7M to make additional deals. Hardly a huge difference.

The Spurs were indeed a little cheap, but that is not the main point. I think the real issue here was the uncertainty of going to arbitration and having that money frozen for a long period of time without guarantees (even if it looked favorable for the lawyers). This was the real issue IMHO. From a business point of view, I think the Spurs did the right thing. The Spurs still have the option of sitting on his rights and wait for the right moment to bring Scola in, or trade them if a good opportunity presents itself.

[Kori Ellis]

Put yourselves in Scola's place...
If they don´t want you bad enough... why they draft you?
If they knew the buyout clause... why they draft you?
If they don´t want to pay the buyout... why they draft you?

SCOLA pays the buyout, not the Spurs.