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The 1992 reference was your bid for cheekiness, but I am a ridiculous fossil for actually being alive at the time and remembering it.
we carry a big stick.
The 1992 reference was your bid for cheekiness, but I am a ridiculous fossil for actually being alive at the time and remembering it.
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also, WTF antiwar Wild Cobra?
I'm not pro war or antiwar. I believe in using the military at proper times and places. This is not something we should be involved in, unless we are going to support the free will of the people of Crimea. Do you think we should get involved in another Libya?
Why are you guys supporting a coup d'état by the Western Ukrainians?
I saw this someplace else, so I did a quick search. It is regarding the ousting of the Ukrainian president, that has now been declared a traitor. In their cons ution, they did not get 3/4 of their parliament to vote him out. Linked is writing in a law blog:
Russia in Ukraine: A Reader Responds:
It would appear there are problems with their 328-0 vote. Why didn't the other 121 members make it? Were they left out? Threatened? Anyway, 328 of the 449 seats (composition) is only 73%. Not the 75% required by cons ution. Here is le V of their Cons ution:Ascertaining the legitimacy of the interim government in Kiev is quite tricky. According to Article 111 of the Ukrainian cons ution, the President can only be impeached from office by parliament through “no less than three-quarters of its cons utional composition.” On February 22, 2014 the Ukrainian parliament voted 328-0 to impeach President Yanukovych who fled to Russia the night prior. However for an effective impeachment under cons utional rules the 449-seated parliament would have needed 337 votes to remove Yanukovych from office. Thus under the current cons ution, Yanukovych is still the in bent and legitimate President of the Ukraine.
Cons ution of Ukraine - le V
"Why are you guys supporting a coup d'état by the Western Ukrainians?"
for the same reasons I support one for USA. Pootin's puppet was totally corrupt, shipped $Bs abroad, ran an oppressive police state, etc, etc.
The Ukrainians are corrupt too. All you are doing is siding with what the media is spoon feeding you. The Western countries want the Ukraine to join them. Half of the Ukraine doesn't want that. Very few of the Crimea people want that.
It is the western nation, like ours, that are lying and being manipulative.
who spoonfed you that?
US/Nato/EU is certainly guilty of provoking Russia and supporting the overthrow of Putin's puppet.
So, you agree. It was illegally done, right?
Why do you support criminals?
yes, just one of the 35+ or so countries the Imperial US/CIA has intruded upon to screw up their politics.
He vacated his office and fled to Russia.
Why did he flee to Russia?
He was already convicted of treason by the parliament without the required 3/4 vote. They probably would have executed him against the laws of their own cons ution.
He was asked to stop with the police assault by members of parliament, and to call a vote on this and other situations. Even his own party wanted a vote.
I'm not aware of a police assault. Regardless, they didn't get the required 3/4 vote. With that level of corruption, maybe the allegation was false as well.
Crimea’s Case for Leaving Ukraine
Exclusive: Virtually everyone in Official Washington is condemning Russian “aggression” in Ukraine and demanding a belligerent U.S. response to Crimea’s desire to secede and join Russia, as a new Cold War hysteria grips U.S. pols and pundits, reports Robert Parry.
By Robert Parry
If you were living in Crimea, would you prefer to remain part of Ukraine with its coup-installed government – with neo-Nazis running four ministries including the Ministry of Defense – or would you want to become part of Russia, which has had ties to Crimea going back to Catherine the Great in the 1700s?
Granted, it’s not the greatest choice in the world, but it’s the practical one facing you. For all its faults, Russia has a functioning economy while Ukraine really doesn’t. Russia surely has its share of political and financial corruption but some of that has been brought under control.
A map showing Crimea (in beige) and its proximity to both the Ukrainian mainland and Russia.
Not so in Ukraine where a moveable feast of some 10 “oligarchs” mostly runs the show in shifting alliances, buying up media outlets and politicians, while the vast majority of the population faces a bleak future, which now includes more European-demanded “austerity,” i.e. slashed pensions and further reductions in already sparse social services.
Even if the U.S.-backed plan for inserting Ukraine into the European Union prevails, Ukrainians would find themselves looking up the socio-economic ladder at the Greeks and other European nationals already living the nightmare of “austerity.”
Beyond that humiliation and misery, the continuing political dislocations across Ukraine would surely feed the further rise of right-wing extremists who espouse not only the goal of expelling ethnic Russians from Ukraine but Jews and other peoples considered not pure Ukrainian.
This troubling racist element of the “inspiring” Ukrainian uprising has been mostly airbrushed from the U.S. media’s narrative, but more honest sources of news have reported this disturbing reality. [For instance, watch this report from the BBC.]
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http://consortiumnews.com/2014/03/09...aving-ukraine/
Read how the trouble in Kiev began peacefully.
After that, the slimy elements got involved as in any country where peaceful protests become riots once violence starts.
Everyone in Washington...Crimea’s Case for Leaving Ukraine
Exclusive: Virtually everyone in Official Washington is condemning Russian “aggression” in Ukraine and demanding a belligerent U.S. response to Crimea’s desire to secede and join Russia, as a new Cold War hysteria grips U.S. pols and pundits, reports Robert Parry.
By Robert Parry
If you were living in Crimea, would you prefer to remain part of Ukraine with its coup-installed government – with neo-Nazis running four ministries including the Ministry of Defense – or would you want to become part of Russia, which has had ties to Crimea going back to Catherine the Great in the 1700s?
Granted, it’s not the greatest choice in the world, but it’s the practical one facing you. For all its faults, Russia has a functioning economy while Ukraine really doesn’t. Russia surely has its share of political and financial corruption but some of that has been brought under control.
Not so in Ukraine where a moveable feast of some 10 “oligarchs” mostly runs the show in shifting alliances, buying up media outlets and politicians, while the vast majority of the population faces a bleak future, which now includes more European-demanded “austerity,” i.e. slashed pensions and further reductions in already sparse social services.
Even if the U.S.-backed plan for inserting Ukraine into the European Union prevails, Ukrainians would find themselves looking up the socio-economic ladder at the Greeks and other European nationals already living the nightmare of “austerity.”
Beyond that humiliation and misery, the continuing political dislocations across Ukraine would surely feed the further rise of right-wing extremists who espouse not only the goal of expelling ethnic Russians from Ukraine but Jews and other peoples considered not pure Ukrainian.
This troubling racist element of the “inspiring” Ukrainian uprising has been mostly airbrushed from the U.S. media’s narrative, but more honest sources of news have reported this disturbing reality. [For instance, watch this report from the BBC.]
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http://consortiumnews.com/2014/03/09...aving-ukraine/
What does Europe say? And they stand to lose a bundle on this. Why don't you read what Poland has to say?
Western Europe is pretty much compromised, less aggressive than USA trouble-makers, by its dependence on Russian gas.
I read that there was a third party, shooting at both the police and protesters. They blamed each other.
Thats further into the conflict, I read reports of that also.
So Europe would be fine with the whole of Ukraine coming under Russian control as long as they got their gas?
Why did the EU even present a trade package to the Ukraine in the first place? That basically started the ball rolling?
Boots, again an example of your ideological flavor. You don't even remember the basic facts. One could blame the EU as the antagonist in this whole mess.
"So Europe would be fine with the whole of Ukraine coming under Russian control as long as they got their gas?" you said that, you're full of
"Why did the EU even present a trade package to the Ukraine in the first place? That basically started the ball rolling?"
the "trade" pkg, or one of the agreements, had effective integration of Ukraine into NATO.
"Boots, again an example of your ideological flavor. You don't even remember the basic facts. One could blame the EU as the antagonist in this whole mess"
you're full of
The agreement with the EU being discussed in the Ukranian parliament had nothing to do with joining NATO, absolutely NOTHING!
You are full of .
Is NATO's Trojan Horse Riding Toward the 'Ukraine Spring'?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dennis...b_4435637.html
US/NATO strategy is to bring Ukraine into EU and NATO, aka, poking the Russian bear, once again.
Boo, there was a vague insinuation of eventual EU membership for Ukraine, but only after trade was opened up and they could meet the financial baseline for membership.
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