Trouble in Crawford: "Why did my son die?"

[whottt]

NBAdan...it's funny that your conspiracy ridden brain has determined that Ralph Nader is an enemy of the Democratic Party...yet you fail to see that Moore hurts the party in exactly the same way...only moreso...because he actually pushes liberals to the right, instead of pulling them to the left into a liberal party, like Nader.

I will never be on the same side of an issue as Michael Moore and I know a lot of people that feel the same way....

[Dos]

Sheehan's Husband Seeks Divorce
Bush roadside protester named in California pe ion filed Friday

AUGUST 15--The next well-wisher approaching Cindy Sheehan at her tent encampment outside President George W. Bush's Texas vacation home may actually be a process server. That's because the California woman's husband--in a curious bit of timing--filed for divorce Friday afternoon (below you'll find a copy of Patrick Sheehan's complaint, lodged August 12 in Solano County District Court). With Sheehan, 48, entering a second week outside Bush's Crawford retreat, her husband's divorce pe ion cites "irreconcilable differences" for the demise of the couple's 28-year marriage (the Sheehans, the do ent states, have been separated since June 1). Along with a Vacaville home, Patrick Sheehan listed other "community assets" as "any and all benefits payable as a result of son's death," including a Prudential insurance policy and "benefits from the U.S. Government." From her roadside outpost, Sheehan, whose 24-year-old son Casey, an Army Specialist, was killed last year in Iraq, has become the face of the U.S. antiwar movement, telling reporters that she will not budge until Bush meets with her and explains "why our sons are dead." Noting that Bush has referred to the war as a "noble" pursuit, Sheehan told Reuters, "If it's such a noble cause, why aren't his daughters over there?" Patrick Sheehan's lawyer, Glen DeRonde, did not return a TSG call, so it is unclear whether the divorce complaint will be delivered to her in Texas or when she returns to her home east of San Francisco. (4 pages)

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http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive...1sheehan1.html

[Trainwreck2100]

NBAdan...it's funny that your conspiracy ridden brain has determined that Ralph Nader is an enemy of the Democratic Party...yet you fail to see that Moore hurts the party in exactly the same way...only moreso...because he actually pushes liberals to the right, instead of pulling them to the left into a liberal party, like Nader.

I will never be on the same side of an issue as Michael Moore and I know a lot of people that feel the same way....

I hear he is coming out with a badass do entary on pharmaceutical companies, I really want to see that one because those guys are jerks.

[Nbadan]

Don't let Hackett go to your head.....even I was considering the guy a good candidate...he had unimpeachable credentials in a fiercely patriotic sector of the country, and still lost to an absolute hag of a candidate. Their major difference? She had a clearly defined patriotic stance and he didn't. He lost.

He lost by 4 points in a heavy Republican district and he only campaigned for a few weeks with very little cash, certainly much less than 'the hag' spent.

[Dos]

I guess if the bush twins wanted to volunteer to join the army they'd be there.

funny you never heard the left saying the same thing about Chelsea Clinton when we were bombing kosovo..

[Nbadan]

NBAdan...it's funny that your conspiracy ridden brain has determined that Ralph Nader is an enemy of the Democratic Party...yet you fail to see that Moore hurts the party in exactly the same way...only moreso...because he actually pushes liberals to the right, instead of pulling them to the left into a liberal party, like Nader.

I will never be on the same side of an issue as Michael Moore and I know a lot of people that feel the same way....

MM hurts the Democratic Party only as so far as the likes of Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson hurt the Republican Party. They are fun to mock, but in reality their are far from being power-players in either party.

[whottt]

He lost by 4 points in a heavy Republican district and he only campaigned for a few weeks with very little cash, certainly much less than 'the hag' spent.

He got a ton of free publicity in the lead up to the election...his short amount of time campaigning did not hurt him.

All he had to do was....say he supported the troops and that he supported the war effort, rightly or wrongly, because it's too late to turn back now...and he'd have gotten elected. Instead he short circuited his own campaign...the guy had great credentials...he's the reason he lost...and he lost for the same reasons that Michael Moore is despised.

[whottt]

MM hurts the Democratic Party only as so far as the likes of Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson hurt the Republican Party. They are fun to mock, but in reality their are far from being power-players in either party.

You don't see Falwell and Robertson riding shotgun next to ex-presidents at the RNC....

And no...Moore is worse than those guys anyway...and that's saying something...because I hate those guys too...

[Trainwreck2100]

I guess if the bush twins wanted to volunteer to join the army they'd be there.
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They would never need to, because rich people don't join the armed services.

[Nbadan]

He got a ton of free publicity in the lead up to the election...his short amount of time campaigning did not hurt him.

All he had to do was....say he supported the troops and that he supported the war effort, rightly or wrongly, because it's too late to turn back now...and he'd have gotten elected. Instead he short circuited his own campaign...the guy had great credentials...he's the reason he lost...and he lost for the same reasons that Michael Moore is despised.

Well, you can go ahead and live in your world of political sterotypes, but us here in reality know that people didn't vote against Paul Hackett because of MM.

[Nbadan]

I guess if the bush twins wanted to volunteer to join the army they'd be there.

funny you never heard the left saying the same thing about Chelsea Clinton when we were bombing kosovo..

Maybe if the Kosovo thing wasn't a UN action, your comparison would have more legs, well, that and we weren't nation-building in Serbia

[whottt]

They voted for him because of his service to this country...he lost because of his anti-war stance and attempts to politicize the war.


And the religious rightwingers aren't seen as anti-American....the anti-war leftwingers are. Because of their attempted demonization of the President and by default America, during a war(which they also politicized in an attempt to regain the whitehouse).



It took effort to lose this past election...congrats...you did it.

[Nbadan]

You don't see Falwell and Robertson riding shotgun next to ex-presidents at the RNC....

And no...Moore is worse than those guys anyway...and that's saying something...because I hate those guys too...

No, Republicans learned that its better to keep people like Falwell off the political radar during the Clinton era. Perhaps this is the lesson Democrats should learn about MM.

[Nbadan]

They voted for him because of his service to this country...he lost because of his anti-war stance and attempts to politicize the war.


And the religious rightwingers aren't seen as anti-American....the anti-war leftwingers are. Because of their attempted demonization of the President and by default America, during a war(which they also politicized in an attempt to regain the whitehouse).



It took effort to lose this past election...congrats...you did it.

Umm..they voted for him because 62% of the public no-longer supports the Iraq war. Republicans crossed party lines in droves to vote for a Democrat. That burns you up, doesn't it?

[whottt]

No, Republicans learned that its better to keep people like Falwell off the political radar during the Clinton era. Perhaps this is the lesson Democrats should learn about MM.

Exactly, but also tone down the anti-war/Bush rhetoric....it aint going to work this time...Celebrity protests aren't going to work this time...people have been there and done that...and they are sick of it.

Our sevice is voluntary now...we were attacked by an extreme religious movement infecting nearly all of the middle east...

It aint going to work this time...this is not 1960 anymore...Free love can you get aids now and drugs up yo head.

[Trainwreck2100]

It took effort to lose this past election...congrats...you did it.

It wasn't just the democrats, the Republicans did an outstanding job of making Kerry look bad 11% of Demos voted Bush for moral reasons in one state. I always thougtht Bush would lose the election, but the Repubs did an outstanding slander campaign.

[whottt]

Umm..they voted for him because 62% of the public no-longer supports the Iraq war. Republicans crossed party lines in droves to vote for a Democrat. That burns you up, doesn't it?

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthre...t=Paul+Hackett




Just call me the living zogby poll.....

And those anti-war polls are loaded...they work under the assumption that Americans love war...

[whottt]

It wasn't just the democrats, the Republicans did an outstanding job of making Kerry look bad 11% of Demos voted Bush for moral reasons in one state. I always thougtht Bush would lose the election, but the Repubs did an outstanding slander campaign.

Ask the swing moderates on this board if it was what the Republicans did or what the Democrats did that made them switch to Bush...

Don't get me wrong...Kerry was just about the absolute worst presidential candidate in American history...I see the Crats viewing the closeness of the election as a success...in actuality, it was a sign of their failure...it was their election to lose.

They are supposed to be the moderate party...by nature...instead the Republicans are now the moderates...and they aren't moderates at all...except when compared to the high profile Democrats.

[Nbadan]

Exactly, but also tone down the anti-war/Bush rhetoric....it aint going to work this time...Celebrity protests aren't going to work this time...people have been there and done that...and they are sick of it.

Our sevice is voluntary now...we were attacked by an extreme religious movement infecting nearly all of the middle east...

It aint going to work this time...this is not 1960 anymore...Free love can you get aids now and drugs up yo head.

Pop culture rules our society, look at popularity of the Spurs on this board, but young people need to be motivated to get out and vote. Maybe once more of them are indoctrinated into the Armed Forces they will be more motivated to vote.

The whole, Al-Queda has cells and its tenticles in countries around the world argument, was built on assumptions built on assumptions.

[Spurminator]

It's stories like this that make me wish South Park had new episodes year-round.

[Dos]

I guess dropping bombs on kosovo isn't a war, then I guess I don't know what is...

probably because clinton never got approval from congress to delcare a true war..

and it was a NATO action not a UN action...

Yeah removing a murderous dictator in Kosovo isn't not the same as removing a murderous dictator in Iraq.

[Nbadan]

I guess dropping bombs on kosovo isn't a war, then I guess I don't know what is...

probably because clinton never got approval from congress to delcare a true war..

and it was a NATO action not a UN action...

Yeah removing a murderous dictator in Kosovo isn't not the same as removing a murderous dictator in Iraq.

Well, to begin with we had very few ground troops in Serbia and we weren't trying to start from the ground up like we are in Iraq. For all the criticisim Wesley Clark drew over a over-blown snaffu with the Russians, he won the peace effectively from the air.

[Trainwreck2100]

Not to mention we were UN backed

[Dos]

air wars are fun... less causalties... whoops..

yeah russia and china were all for us going to war in kosovo... sheeesh...

[gtownspur]

Well, to begin with we had very few ground troops in Serbia and we weren't trying to start from the ground up like we are in Iraq. For all the criticisim Wesley Clark drew over a over-blown snaffu with the Russians, he won the peace effectively from the air.

NbaDan, you seriously believe the Serbs are now better off. Not to mention Milosevic went unpunished for war crimes. Kosovo was a disaster and it didnt achieve peace