Patty Mills shoulder injury true - out 7 months

[Harry Callahan]

Can the Spurs move out Ayers? I think I've seen enough with him. He is in the last year of his contract next year.

[KL2]

Teams are overpaying for mediocre unproven players left and right. Spurs need to strike now with both Patty and Boris. Getting especially antsy about Boris. Word out per Ticket 760 is that he wants about 2yr/20mill which is steep. Better use that Patty injury coupon quickly.

I feel good about Diaw re-signing, teams may not want to take a chance on him due to his past actions, thus driving his price down.

[ironman2886]

Can the Spurs move out Ayers? I think I've seen enough with him. He is in the last year of his contract next year.

What skill did he have to warrant the Spurs to sign him? Because he has athletism? I still can't believe they signed this f#€k.

[superbigtime]

Just saw the news about Mills

[Boomersgold]

I don't really feel that this distinction rises to the level of a big difference.

Tbh, when Parker was on the floor with Manu, he really often WAS used as the shooting guard, especially late in the season when his fatigue was getting to be a major factor. That line-up (Parker and Manu in the backcourt without Tim at the same time), was relatively rare and was another way to space the floor. In those situations, you would see Parker move to the corner as a potential three point shooter (and posters in this forum would ask what the Parker was doing in that position). I don't think that Pop's occasional forays into odd line-ups is an occasional for logical challenges.

Oddly enough, many Spurs are occasionally asked to play different positions. The fact that over 90% of the Spurs' offensive sets with the starting crew begin with Parker giving the ball to Tim and then beginning a loop or initiating a cut and drive back offensive set doesn't allow for ANY logical conclusion that he wasn't the guy setting the offense. The same cannot honestly be said for Mills' role in the second unit.

I am/was not trying to undercut Mills. I hope we get him back and I am thrilled that we had him this year. I am simply pointing out what, to me, was his primary contribution, and it was not the same as Parker's.

And btw, the Spurs won last year with virtually EVERYONE missing except for Kawhi. Pointing out that we won in Manu's absence as an indicator that Mills is good at setting the Spurs' offense does not logically follow.

My intention was actually to show that Mills is more than capable of manning the back up point guard spot in Manu's absence and that the Spurs' success with the bench wasn't solely the product of Manu's playmaking. As backup point guards only play a handful of minutes, Mills doesn't have to run the loop or set up long offensive sets. His job as an offensive point guard is to generate as many quick buckets as he can in the time that he's afforded, and he does that fine. Mills excels as hitting jumpers off the screen, and being the threat that he is from deep keeps the defense honest, which will sometimes leave shooters like Green and Bellineli open for threes. Note that he also plays the pick and roll well with our bigs (Ayres, Baynes, Timmy, and Splitter).

Btw, the second most used lineup last season included Diaw, Duncan, Ginobili, Leonard and Parker. Pop often used it in tight situations to close out games, so I wouldn't say that it rarely occurred. On almost every offensive possession, Parker would defer to Manu to do the playmaking and stand in the corner, as I said in my previous post. That's just a testament to Manu's tremendous passing and playmaking abilities (not a knock on Parker's).

[Ice009]

I think he's earned a minimum of 4M per year (even with this injury).

Looks like my guesstimate yesterday was right.

Teams are overpaying for mediocre unproven players left and right. Spurs need to strike now with both Patty and Boris. Getting especially antsy about Boris. Word out per Ticket 760 is that he wants about 2yr/20mill which is steep. Better use that Patty injury coupon quickly.

I have no idea what the Spurs should be looking to pay Diaw. On one hand, TD makes about 10M, so Boris shouldn't ask for that much, but on the other hand, Tiago makes 10M, so Boris should ask for that much.

[littlecoyotecoin]

Looks like my guesstimate yesterday was right.



I have no idea what the Spurs should be looking to pay Diaw. One one hand, TD makes about 10M, so Boris shouldn't ask for that much, but on the other hand, Tiago makes 10M, so Boris should ask for that much.

Talk about a rock and a hard place. You make a good point! Heh heh.

[SouthernFried]

If he re-signs with the Spurs, it could be a blessing in disguise. Gives them more time to develop Anderson and perhaps even Joseph, whose improvement has been underrated.

This.

[Agloco]

4 mil per? I seriously doubt that Patty will be out until next Feb. Good signing though. Gotta get Boris back now.

[Ice009]

Talk about a rock and a hard place. You make a good point! Heh heh.

I have to add that Tiago is making about 8.66M on average for the next three seasons. Someone pointed that out in another thread. I thought Tiago's salary increases each year, but it doesn't, so I think the Tiago contract isn't too bad. 26M with 3 years remaining. That's pretty good, especially in comparison with some of the contracts being given out this off-season.

I think Diaw is worth 8-9M per season. If he wants more then that, then I would tell him, sure, but if we were to give you that much, then you need to get into the best shape possible and stay in that shape. I think someone mentioned that he had a bet with Patty Mills last off season about getting in shape and that's one of the reasons Mills worked his ass off in the off-season, whereas I'm not sure what kind of work Boris did in comparison, if any (apart from playing for the national team)?

[Obstructed_View]

If you could count on Aggressive Boris (or whatever we were calling it earlier in the year) to be here for the length of the contract, I don't think the team would have a problem giving him what he and his agent want.

[TheGreatYacht]

What skill did he have to warrant the Spurs to sign him? Because he has athletism? I still can't believe they signed this f#€k.

Boylen

[ace3g]

balapat 6 seconds ago

Successful surgery and finally out of the hospital! Thanks to everyone for there messages of support. I really appreciated them all. A little adversity and a hump in road that's only going to build my character and make me stronger. Looking forward to this new challenge...Season starts today!

[LakerHater]

[EVAY]

My intention was actually to show that Mills is more than capable of manning the back up point guard spot in Manu's absence and that the Spurs' success with the bench wasn't solely the product of Manu's playmaking. As backup point guards only play a handful of minutes, Mills doesn't have to run the loop or set up long offensive sets. His job as an offensive point guard is to generate as many quick buckets as he can in the time that he's afforded, and he does that fine. Mills excels as hitting jumpers off the screen, and being the threat that he is from deep keeps the defense honest, which will sometimes leave shooters like Green and Bellineli open for threes. Note that he also plays the pick and roll well with our bigs (Ayres, Baynes, Timmy, and Splitter).

Btw, the second most used lineup last season included Diaw, Duncan, Ginobili, Leonard and Parker. Pop often used it in tight situations to close out games, so I wouldn't say that it rarely occurred. On almost every offensive possession, Parker would defer to Manu to do the playmaking and stand in the corner, as I said in my previous post. That's just a testament to Manu's tremendous passing and playmaking abilities (not a knock on Parker's).

My quote was of the combination of Parker and Manu without Tim as the relatively rare line-up. I stand by it.