God is not Dead

[xmas1997]

Sure.... just decided that sacrificing all sort of living creatures would help hide his favorite creatures sins from him .... just to think about the stupidity of the expiation by sacrifice system should be proof enough for any person with average intelligence to see old testament son of a (bible god ) is man made.

Do you think the it was speaking literally rather than allegorically?
Just asking, no offense meant.

[RD2191]

Sure.... just decided that sacrificing all sort of living creatures would help hide his favorite creatures sins from him .... just to think about the stupidity of the expiation by sacrifice system should be proof enough for any person with average intelligence to see old testament son of a (bible god ) is man made.

As man made as evolution.

[spurraider21]

Don't argue God with people. I don't like people trying to sway me one way or the other.

its impossible to sway somebody's beliefs about God, since it's ultimately based on faith anyway, as opposed to hard evidence. it can boil down to people trying to prove/disprove god's existence, but its up to the individuals if they choose to make the leap of faith or not

the main thing that gets on my nerves is when people argue certain scientific points when they have zero grasp of the concept at hand

[ChumpDumper]

Do you think the it was speaking literally rather than allegorically?
Just asking, no offense meant.

2 Samuel 21 King James Version (KJV)

21 Then there was a famine in the days of David three years, year after year; and David enquired of the Lord. And the Lord answered, It is for Saul, and for his bloody house, because he slew the Gibeonites.

2 And the king called the Gibeonites, and said unto them; (now the Gibeonites were not of the children of Israel, but of the remnant of the Amorites; and the children of Israel had sworn unto them: and Saul sought to slay them in his zeal to the children of Israel and Judah.)

3 Wherefore David said unto the Gibeonites, What shall I do for you? and wherewith shall I make the atonement, that ye may bless the inheritance of the Lord?

4 And the Gibeonites said unto him, We will have no silver nor gold of Saul, nor of his house; neither for us shalt thou kill any man in Israel. And he said, What ye shall say, that will I do for you.

5 And they answered the king, The man that consumed us, and that devised against us that we should be destroyed from remaining in any of the coasts of Israel,

6 Let seven men of his sons be delivered unto us, and we will hang them up unto the Lord in Gibeah of Saul, whom the Lord did choose. And the king said, I will give them.

7 But the king spared Mephibosheth, the son of Jonathan the son of Saul, because of the Lord's oath that was between them, between David and Jonathan the son of Saul.

8 But the king took the two sons of Rizpah the daughter of Aiah, whom she bare unto Saul, Armoni and Mephibosheth; and the five sons of Michal the daughter of Saul, whom she brought up for Adriel the son of Barzillai the Meholathite:

9 And he delivered them into the hands of the Gibeonites, and they hanged them in the hill before the Lord: and they fell all seven together, and were put to death in the days of harvest, in the first days, in the beginning of barley harvest.

10 And Rizpah the daughter of Aiah took sackcloth, and spread it for her upon the rock, from the beginning of harvest until water dropped upon them out of heaven, and suffered neither the birds of the air to rest on them by day, nor the beasts of the field by night.

11 And it was told David what Rizpah the daughter of Aiah, the concubine of Saul, had done.

12 And David went and took the bones of Saul and the bones of Jonathan his son from the men of Jabeshgilead, which had stolen them from the street of Bethshan, where the Philistines had hanged them, when the Philistines had slain Saul in Gilboa:

13 And he brought up from thence the bones of Saul and the bones of Jonathan his son; and they gathered the bones of them that were hanged.

14 And the bones of Saul and Jonathan his son buried they in the country of Benjamin in Zelah, in the sepulchre of Kish his father: and they performed all that the king commanded. And after that God was intreated for the land.

God seemed pretty pleased with the very literal sacrifice of seven men in his name.

[xmas1997]

its impossible to sway somebody's beliefs about God, since it's ultimately based on faith anyway, as opposed to hard evidence. it can boil down to people trying to prove/disprove god's existence, but its up to the individuals if they choose to make the leap of faith or not

Plus it's not a matter of swaying IMHO.
It's a matter of discussing without the intent of swaying in the first place in order to better understand someone's point of view.
To do otherwise is an attempt to proselytize or convert someone who does not want to be converted in the first place.
That could be considered to be an invasion and thus be resisted rather than sharing points of views IMHO.

[xmas1997]

God seemed pretty pleased with the very literal sacrifice of seven men in his name.

So you believe in a literal translation?

[ChumpDumper]

So you believe in a literal translation?

I only have the words written in the Bible to go on here.

Explain how it is an allegorical human sacrifice.

Use the scripture itself to show how seven men were not really killed to gain God's favor in this account.

[xmas1997]

Explain how it is an allegorical human sacrifice.

Use the scripture itself to show how seven men were not really killed to gain God's favor in this account.

So you believe in a literal translation?

I don't.

[it's me]

Do you think the it was speaking literally rather than allegorically?
Just asking, no offense meant.

I see, you're the guy that writes a lot and says nothing, I've read some of your circular reasoning here and there. answering your question, it depends on who you ask.... what do you believe? Did crist actually died and resurrected or is all allegorical made up stuff?

[ChumpDumper]

So you believe in a literal translation?

I only have the words of the bible to go by in this story, so I have no reason to conclude it is describing anything other than an actual human sacrifice.

Why would the Bible not mean what it says?

Are you calling the Bible a lie?

[spurraider21]

So you believe in a literal translation?

I don't.

just so we don't go in the same circles over again, if you don't take the stories literally, that means you don't believe they actually occurred as stated in the bible

[it's me]

As man made as evolution.

Possibly..... fact remains though

[it's me]

just so we don't go in the same circles over again, if you don't take the stories literally, that means you don't believe they actually occurred as stated in the bible

I think this is pretty accurate.... happened or didn't, simple isn't it?

[xmas1997]

I see, you're the guy that writes a lot and says nothing, I've read some of your circular reasoning here and there. answering your question, it depends on who you ask.... what do you believe? Did crist actually died and resurrected or is all allegorical made up stuff?

No, I think there is much truth contained within it, as there are in all the great books.
But I see more allegory than literalism is all I am saying.
I think Jesus Christ actually did die and resurrected.
But there is no way I can prove it.
I can't prove evolution either.
Nor can I prove the universe is expanding.

[ChumpDumper]

I think Jesus Christ actually did die and resurrected.

crofl

Why did you stonewall about this all day just to give it away for free now?

Pure troll behavior.

[xmas1997]

just so we don't go in the same circles over again, if you don't take the stories literally, that means you don't believe they actually occurred as stated in the bible

I'll try not to go in circles if I can.

[it's me]

No, I think there is much truth contained within it, as there are in all the great books.
But I see more allegory than literalism is all I am saying.
I think Jesus Christ actually did die and resurrected.
But there is no way I can prove it.
I can't prove evolution either.
Nor can I prove the universe is expanding.

So, jesus did die and resurrected, but some other stories are allegories? how convenient. Let me guess.... every time old testament lunatic deity does something crazy it is an allegory, when dude does good it is literal.

Define truth please.

[spurraider21]

I think Jesus Christ actually did die and resurrected.

so you take the story of the resurrection literally

[DMC]

its allegory if it no longer fits current moral standards.

[xmas1997]

I'll try not to go in circles if I can.

Some of the allegory was explained through the use of parables, but even the parables were shrouded in mystery for reasons that only today we are beginning to understand like the parable of the mus seed IMHO.
But parables were also a form of allegorical story telling, they were meant to give us lessons in how to live our lives. In other cases they were meant to be symbols of of things alluded to but not openly explained, such as brothers symbolizing mountains, or cities, etc., things of that nature.
The OT is full of it more so than the NT IMHO.
But keep in mind, this is my opinion.

[xmas1997]

so you take the story of the resurrection literally

I think much of the resurrection may have been literal.
But not having been there, there is no way I can say for sure.

[xmas1997]

its allegory if it no longer fits current moral standards.

There is a certain amount of truth to that statement IMHO.
Times change, and so does the morals evolve with the times.

[ChumpDumper]

Seriously, it's much easier to believe seven dudes were sacrificed in an attempt to please God than to believe God spawned himself by impregnating a virgin, then let himself be killed and resurrected himself then just left for good, only to be seen later in clouds and toast.

[spurraider21]

I think much of the resurrection may have been literal.

so you take some parts of the bible literally, but other parts figuratively.

But not having been there, there is no way I can say for sure.

of course. again, that's why this is a discussion of your beliefs. i've never asked you to tell me exactly what happened. i've always just asked for your beliefs. it seems you have moved on from those nonsensical arguments and are being a bit clearer about your belief system

[Malik Hairston]

Avante and his family seem so ing corny and boring(along with fat and ugly, of course), tbh..