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    I just hope they pick someone who can be useful sooner rather than later. Tired of watching the majority of our draft picks end up in Europe and never come over

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    22 yr old, 6'7 212 lb SF from Latvia.




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    At 55 why not

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    Yeah, he's already got a better handle than Green and as a bonus can make layups.

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    Holmes looks pretty damn solid. He doesn't have a ton of flaws. You can really work with a player like that. He's not ideal size, but he's not tiny. Spurs need a motor guy - if that guy can also happen to shoot? That would be the icing on the damn cake for the Spurs big man rotation.

    Imagine Faried with a jump shot?

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    Holmes looks pretty damn solid. He doesn't have a ton of flaws. You can really work with a player like that. He's not ideal size, but he's not tiny. Spurs need a motor guy - if that guy can also happen to shoot? That would be the icing on the damn cake for the Spurs big man rotation.

    Imagine Faried with a jump shot?
    Do they improve there backup wing thru FA?

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    Again, there is no rumor of the Spurs wanting to pick Holmes or having interest, this is just my personal speculation, or connecting of the dots, if you will. But I think Holmes has a pretty good chance to be a better pro than he was a college player. He reminds me a bit of Draymond Green, who was a 2nd round pick due to his lack of size. Holmes obviously had a bit of a disappointing season last season. His Jr year was his best season as a Longhorn, when he played the 4. He was moved to the 3 last year to make room for Myles Turner, and it obviously affected his impact on the game, as his PPG average dropped 3 points and his shooting % dropped 10%. But, as a stretch-4/energy and hustle guy, he's the type of player that the Spurs seem to be interested in, and the staff is very familiar with him given the Texas ties. I just wouldn't be surprised if he's the pick is all, but I wouldn't go as far as to say I think he will be.
    He never shot higher than 33% from the college three point line. And he doesn't have the same defensive stats that Draymond put up in college either. I dunno, I just think there are other undersized F/Cs out there with better overall games. Off the top of my head I'd rather the Spurs take Harrell, Mickey, Nance or Christmas.

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    Do they improve there backup wing thru FA?
    Who knows - but if they can get a legit back up wing in the draft I'm sure they will. But at this point, you don't know who falls. I am really just commenting on Holmes and I think he looks solid. Has flaws obviously, but there is a lot to his game which you can build on I think. Odds are he doesn't make it, but looks solid.

    In FA, the only thing solid we have is them looking to court a big FA big like LA/Gasol. Nothing else has come out yet, but I don't see any wings they can really get in FA. So I would imagine the draft/trades is the way to go there.

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    Holmes looks pretty damn solid. He doesn't have a ton of flaws. You can really work with a player like that. He's not ideal size, but he's not tiny. Spurs need a motor guy - if that guy can also happen to shoot? That would be the icing on the damn cake for the Spurs big man rotation.

    Imagine Faried with a jump shot?
    Faried dominated the boards in college and is a supreme athlete. And as I mentioned above, the guy shot in the low thirties behind the college three point line his entire career.

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    He never shot higher than 33% from the college three point line. And he doesn't have the same defensive stats that Draymond put up in college either. I dunno, I just think there are other undersized F/Cs out there with better overall games. Off the top of my head I'd rather the Spurs take Harrell, Mickey, Nance or Christmas.
    Well, if he's Draymond good, he would be valued much higher. If he's 75% of Green that would be huge. Don't see Green in him though. Green is an elite defender (it seems) and a very talented play maker for his size. Holmes doesn't appear to be a playmaker, but he does have similar shooting and scoring ability (prob better all around there than Green) and hustles the same way. Unlikely he will approach Green's level of defense, but Green has DPOY level defense so that's not realistic anyways.

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    Faried dominated the boards in college and is a supreme athlete. And as I mentioned above, the guy shot in the low thirties behind the college three point line his entire career.
    Holmes has done a pretty good job on the glass - him being forced into more of a perimeter role hurt that. He's not as athletic as Faried - but similar mold. High energy, phsyical, good on the glass, decent defensively and Holmes has a better offensive game for sure.

    There are questions about him obviously - I was just making a rough sketch of a comparison for team need.

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    I think Holmes playing the three was a really good thing for him. The skills he developed should serve him well in the stretch-four era of the league. He's also not really undersized -- especially for today's league. He's bigger than Green, and he can score in the post better than he can score from outside. He also seems grown into his body, which is what the Spurs need from a rookie who could get decent minutes considering who is currently ahead of him.

    There are players I like more than Holmes, but I think he would be a solid, solid compliment to Anderson at the forward spots. Only issue drafting him is the same with Harrell -- the team is almost certainly going to bring over LJC this summer. Even more than with Harrell, LJC and Holmes play the same role. While I like Holmes more, it may not make sense to use a very important pick on a spot that seems like it's covered. Move LJC for a high second-rounder (Sixers fans seem to like him), and maybe the team can get Holmes AND one of the other guys they want the team to get.

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    I am fully expecting a flurry of annoucements, rumors and trades here in the next 3-5 days including an annoucement about Tim and Manu (at least their decisions to return - not their contract, but perhaps that too). The finals are over, GS has had their moment/parade and now it's time for business. Woj is a must follow the next week.

    I would not be surprised to active trading going on both because the draft looks really solid, people are really maneuvering for FA (with impending salary scale jump) & all of the new coaches.

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    Holmes has done a pretty good job on the glass - him being forced into more of a perimeter role hurt that. He's not as athletic as Faried - but similar mold. High energy, phsyical, good on the glass, decent defensively and Holmes has a better offensive game for sure.

    There are questions about him obviously - I was just making a rough sketch of a comparison for team need.
    Maybe a better comparison for him is Patrick Patterson of the Raptors. Both 6'9, athletic stretch-PF's with similar skill-sets. Depending on who's available, I wouldn't mind the Holmes pick at all, unless someone noticeably better falls to us. But I'd much rather him than a Euro-stash.

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    Maybe a better comparison for him is Patrick Patterson of the Raptors. Both 6'9, athletic stretch-PF's with similar skill-sets. Depending on who's available, I wouldn't mind the Holmes pick at all, unless someone noticeably better falls to us. But I'd much rather him than a Euro-stash.
    If his offense develops like PP that would be great. Might be a good comparison. A higher energy, better on the glass version of PP.

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    I don't care if the player the Spurs draft won't ever be an all star. They just need a young player who can make an impact this coming season.

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    I really do hope that if the Spurs move players they can move up in this draft. There seems to be some good talent to be had. For both the now and the future (like the Kawhi deal) I hope they can move up into the lottery. Especially if the plan is FA.

    If they move Tiago, they better be closer to pick 15 than pick 26.

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    They're not trading Splitter at the draft. He'll only be moved if it's to facilitate an Aldridge signing and obviously that can't happen before July 1st.

    I could see them selecting Holmes. Other than the fact that he's not foreign, mixed or both, he strikes me as a Spur. Plus, they've long been after an athletic, face up PF's, that could guard bigger SF's (Gist, Haislip, Thomas, Brown, Jean-Charles, Green). He'd kill two birds with one stone and give them something of a Diaw replacement long term.

    It also bodes well that he can probably play some next season, which is a need, particularly if they sign Aldridge, since it'll mean they'll need inexpensive contributors at the back end of the roster.

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    Holmes is not a playmaker, so I don't see him being Boris or Green. I can definitely see SA trading Tiago during the draft if they are committed to going the FA route.

    It would require knowing Tim/Manu's plans and money and what they want to do.

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    That's why I said "something of a Diaw replacement". Play making PF's are rare, so it's not going to be easy to replace that aspect of Diaw's game. Other than that though, he should be able to fill a similar role. In the interim, he'd almost certainly spell the end of Bonner's tenure, unless they signed Aldridge and traded Diaw instead of Splitter.

    They're not going to trade Splitter for the sake of it; this is not a re-build. Trading him at the draft would be both unnecessary and beyond stupid because if they miss on Aldridge, they'll have created a massive hole, with no clear way of filling it.

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    I don't think it's likely that Tiago is traded in the draft, but I could see it for the right offer if FA is the way to go for them. Spurs aren't stupid though - they won't take a risk with much of a downside unless they are confident.

    FA is likely not the way the Spurs go - they will likely do a S&T if they end up moving Tiago for Gasol/LMA.

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    Speaking of trading Splitter, found this random and likely unrealistic draft-night trade scenario:


    First:
    Wizards trade: Pick #19, Kris Humpries, Garrett Temple, 2018 & 2020 2nd round picks
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    Phoenix Suns: Archie Goodwin, TJ Warren, 2017 1st round pick (top 10 Protected), 2015 2nd round pick
    From Wizards GM serdricacceus:

    The Wizards need a little bit of youth and I'm assuming that Paul Pierce is leaving for LAC w/Doc. So I traded for a guy who can flat out score in Warren and an explosive rim player in Goodwin. Both of these guys still have room to grow as player but they can help grow the second unit as in the case for Goodwin, try to provide some relief for Beal as a backup.
    Secondly:

    Phoenix Suns trade: Pick #19, P.J. Tucker, Marcus Morris
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    San Antonio Spurs: Pick #26, Tiago Splitter
    And with the 19th pick in the draft, GM ks10680 and the Spurs select:

    19) Tyus Jones, PG from Duke



    From GM ks10680:
    I've traded Splitter and my 25 pick for Marcus Morris and Pj Tucker and the 19 pick. The reason why I made the decision to trade Splitter and my 25 pick to move up in for the 19 pick was to pick a guy I feel that could easily replace Tony Parker in the future that guy is Tyus Jones. I feel very comfortable taking this guy in the draft because if there's one thing we the Spurs organization do best is win. As the Spurs gm, I saw what the freshman PG was all about in the National Championship so I had to move up and draft him. He's the guy I've been looking to replace Tony. Our future is looking bright and I can't wait to see what Jones can do in the NBA. I'm looking for Marcus Morris to be a valuable role player that could learn alot from Boris Diaw and P.J. Tucker to step in to possibly replace Marco Bellinelli if we can't re-sign him.

    http://trove.com/a/2015-GBB-Communit...utm_source=sns

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    ha-cha-cha-smh

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    How about Cedi Osman? He is an interesting SF. Him and KL at the wings could be effective: as a pair or the former as a reliever. I somehow see some manusque qualities in him.

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    How about Cedi Osman? He is an interesting SF. Him and KL at the wings could be effective: as a pair or the former as a reliever. I somehow see some manusque qualities in him.
    Cedi is a decent SF prospect, but he's certainly a draft-and-stash player. He's a project at this point who isn't ready to compete at the NBA level. He would need at least a couple years of development overseas. Don't forget we also have SF Deshaun Thomas playing overseas as well. He's an option, but I doubt the first one.

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