They tried to make a move for Gustavo Ayon back in 2014. They may do it again when his contract expires this year. Tough low post player, very mobile, great in the pick-and-roll, and a strong rebounder. Had an impressive showing against Team USA. But his stock may have gone up significantly after impressive showings for Real Madrid.
Spurs are *not* in good shape compared to GSW, OKC and CLE.
Spurs just don't have enough elite talent, GSW is loaded top to bottom.... I say go for Barnes to hobble them a bit. He's a nice big SF that still has a lot of upside. Spurs just need some more weapons and if they can hobble GSW a little bit then they have a chance.
GSW really is playing that beautiful game that the Spurs invented in 2014. Unfortunately Spurs have regressed into a kind of game that looks like OKC but without the elite offensive talent.
Pop looks like he's done after 2014. He doesn't seem to have the energy to work on the details to win playoff games. Watch how GSW seems to attack all the weak points in defense. Pop for some reason did not exploit matchups, even worse he left matchup problems on the court.
I read something about a great interest of Nets
For those who won't listen to it. They discussed the cap situation that we all know about. And possible manu and td retirement and their options.
*If Manu and TD retire, spurs could be in trouble as they won't have enough space to fix the holes.
*Spurs won't make moves and room for Durant unless he says yes from the very start.
*Dumping Green and Mills should not be considered as they are great value, but only dump for a stud like Durant is defiantly coming.
*Spurs need a athletic center, and play maker as Parker and Leonard are the only ones that can run the pick n roll (if manu retires), and a more athletic wing player.
*Conley is not a huge upgrade over Parker considering the cost and is not a home run move.
*Parker getting traded is very unspurs like.
*Diaw unlikely to get waived but a good option to trade. And it may cost Spurs a second round pick to get.
*Spurs may have to decide between Bobon and West due to cap limitations.
*There is some buy low centers available like Mozgov, Cole Aldridge that can help.
*Horford is a real possibility. And although he won't help a defense out a tone, but makes the front court extremely good offensively. And Horford is a Spurs like player. They feel Atlanta won't give him 5 year max, as when he is 34 years old he will be paid 33 million.
*Spurs might bring over one of their stashes but they don't know much about any of them.
*Simmons and 29th won't be traded for cap space purposes as the cap hold is so small. Simmons has enough promise to pick up his option.
*Gasol would be terrible for the Spurs unless it is there just for depth, regardless if TD retires or not.
*They think LMA is not strong enough to play center but will have to eventually as they feel he would become a defensive liability later on as he is not quick or athletic.
*They mention some names Spurs could look at: Mahinmi, Myles Plumlee, Nene (although old and injury prone), trade for Splitter (although they don't trust his health), Noah. Also they think Marvin Williams would work with LMA playing center.
*They said Gerald Henderson could be a good pickup as a wing upgradeas he can play the sf while Leonard can play some small ball 4.
*Leonard is 24 years old and Spurs will make more of a splash in 2017 as there are so many good options and not this offseason.
*Pakers contract for 2017 could hinder getting a stud for that off season.
Guys I could see Sa going after:
Pau
Batum
Fournier
Thanks for this. I don't have the patience for podcasts, rarely ever listen to onem. I prefer to read since it allows me to read faster, browse and skip what doesn't interest me. Podcasts take a long time, just not my medium.
Much appreciated.
but you write bbl essays gurl !Thanks for this. I don't have the patience for podcasts, rarely ever listen to onem. I prefer to read since it allows me to read faster, browse and skip what doesn't interest me. Podcasts take a long time, just not my medium.
Much appreciated.
Might be a good listen, but that's a factually incorrect chart. West's salary is $1.5ish Million. You don't get reimbursed for two-year deals. And Boban's cap hold is almost completely irrelevant. It shouldn't even on on charts.
Spurs have $13.1 Million in cap space under that scenario, with up to $5,464,000 having to be set aside if they want to keep Boban. But they'd be stupid to have West opt in when he doesn't gain anything by not opting out and re-signing after the cap space is used up. If the Spurs want to push that exact roster entering free agency, they'd have $14,082,142.00 to spend. And that would give the Spurs JUST enough room to fit Clarkson in on a max deal (which requires $13,952,722.35 even though the first year is only worth the MLE). That's by fair the easiest way for the team to improve, but it would cost Boban.
I don't know why you keep bringing up Clarkson. Quality RFA's are almost never attainable. The Lakers are flush with cap space and there's no reason to think they wouldn't match a max offer sheet. In the meantime, if someone attempts this, they could (and should) string them along and tie up their cap space for three days. That's why it's not even worth it to bother.
I've also seen you continuously bring up Sullinger. This is a rare instance where a team has a lot of things up in the air, so an astronomical offer could dissuade them. But why give that to a player who isn't Spurs material and checks one box (rebounding)? He offers next to no rim protection, defensive range or floor spacing and he's not a roller.
Under the hypothetical that TD and Manu retire, I much rather use the 10-15 mil (majority of cap) to go after Plumlee and a versatile big wing like Marvin Williams or Harkless instead of pay Gasol majority of the cap space. Gasol is not great in the PnR on either end (he's a pick and pop guy like West -- which helps the D stay out on the shooters as the D wants the PnPop big to take the mid-range two. Spurs really need a diver in PnR's too free up the weak-side 3's and motion offense again. Plumlee is also underrated at defending the PnR's -- he has the mobility.
Spurs would be extremely versatile on both ends going this route IMO.
Trade Mills/Diaw for Teague.
Sign Plumlee.
Sign Marvin Williams or Harkless.
Get Jason Thompson for minimum as his value is at its lowest it can possibly be after being buried on the Warriors deep roster majority of the year.
Try 2X or even 1.5X speed. Awesome for long commutes to work. Zach Lowe's pod is great too.Thanks for this. I don't have the patience for podcasts, rarely ever listen to onem. I prefer to read since it allows me to read faster, browse and skip what doesn't interest me. Podcasts take a long time, just not my medium.
Much appreciated.
Did you say go after Jason Thompson aka JT the brick?? Thank God you're not the GM.
Really wish there was a block button on ST these days. ��
First, because I'd be willing to give the Lakers something in order to secure a S&T. Second, because the Lakers would be inking a 6/6/22/24 deal rather than a 14x4 deal. It's not a given at all that they'll want to pay Clarkson that kind of money when they AREN'T flush with the space. Third, because the team can't go into this off-season playing it safe. They can certainly move on to plans B, C, etc. when they strike out. But they should be thinking of locking in a permanent piece or two under this lower cap as a main priority.
Eh, it wouldn't take a huge offer. They have guys like Amir and Jerebko on whom they'll have to make a decision before the moratorium and young guys like Zeller. Plus, they're in position to draft Bender. And of course, they could be a destination for Howard, Horford or Gasol. If they make the personnel sacrifices to keep him on board, that's fine. I'll take either of Johnson or Johannes any day. Again, though, you go in there swinging for the fences.I've also seen you continuously bring up Sullinger. This is a rare instance where a team has a lot of things up in the air, so an astronomical offer could dissuade them. But why give that to a player who isn't Spurs material and checks one box (rebounding)? He offers next to no rim protection, defensive range or floor spacing and he's not a roller.
So why do I think he'd count as a home run? Because he pretty much checks ALL of the boxes. He's a great screener who can either pop or roll well enough to put pressure on the defense. He can defend the PnR, which is a much bigger need in the SL than blocking shots. He can defend in the post (as well as score there), which is needed given the remaining guys on roster. He'd benefit tremendously from having a more-defined role with the Spurs with better shots.
He seems somewhere between Tristan Thompson and Aldridge in what he tries to do on the court. Dude's just 24. He has a great chance to get significantly better. And as far as culture goes, if he can hang with Stevens' team, he should be good enough for Pop's. For the money he'll command, he should be a great value to the team. Getting any combination of Johnson/Sullinger/Gasol and Clarkson/Gordon/some other scoring guard would be go a long way to fixing this team.
Like an ignore feature when you wouldn't have to deal with quotes? Yeah, that would be nice.
Spurs don't need any more Pick and Pop bigs inside -- especially the dwarfs (Sullinger) or aging slugs (Gasol).
They need a sufficient diver/ roller in PnRs who can finish well and defend. That's what they need.
Pick and Pop guys generate long 2s from worst shooters while perimeter D stays at home and the Greens, Neal's, Mills can't get off.
Divers generate layups/ dunks or open 3s on weakside from best spot up shooters where the Greens, Mills, Neal's can get off.
Miles Plumlee isnt the most attractive name but his skill set is exactly what Spurs need.
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I've mentioned miles here before. And boy did I get torn apart. Too many here want HOF at every spot on a 15 man roster. Guys like miles fill a role and do it well. And he fills something we need.
Plumlee is an RFA just like Sullinger. You aren't going to get him for a song. And he's straight-sucked before, so he'd not the type of guy where you can feel comfortable giving him a deal that will make Milwaukee not match. Like if they were to work something out with Plumlee and MCW for Mills and filler, that'd be one thing. But he's not the guy you say answers your issues. He'll have to earn that with a couple of years of good play.
From what I've seen from Sullinger (just some highlight vids) he's not a PnP guy. He often rotates toward the top of the arc to receive passes, but in most of those, it wasn't even a PnF. He dove to the basket quite a bit, as a roller/slipper and as a cutter. That off-ball movement would be very helpful because it would discourage help on LMA plays, be they rolls, drives or post-ups. Jared himself is a willing if not good driver for his size, which is great for someone who shoots as much as he does. He has the tools to be a lot like how Diaw is offensive. He's not as good of a passer, but he's also not a bad one.
meanwhile..a TD sighting..
So Milwaukee will match miles but Boston won't match Sullinger? Sullinger is a starter and miles is behind Monroe.
I think a 7' athletic young center who plays good defense and rebounds is more of a need than an undersized play below the rim power forward. Sometimes you have to go out and read the development and expect miles to continue to develop. Much like his brother who I thought we should have gone after last year and was told he was no good by a bunch of the know-it-alls here.
I couldn't disagree more about a few things here.
Miles, in the right motion offense like Hornaceks 2 years ago, was very productive on BOTH ends and was a big reason for their success that season (13-14). Jason Kidd's offense is heavy ISO and Kidd didn't give him a lot of playing time because of Monroe's signing and Jabari Parker.
Right now, his value is as low as it can get and Bucks will more than likely not match. It's not far-fetched to assume that by the way Kidd utilized him on the bench last year.
Sullinger on the other hand checks no boxes for me, plus Celtics will likely match anything reasonable.
Spurs have a better chance to pry away Miles Plumlee than Sullinger -- any objective mind would agree with that.
I haven't read every post, but have read threads about whether Diaw should stay. I read some interesting theories by Chinook of how they could 'stretch' his contract so it wouldn't be so much money against the cap. That being said Diaw
has been formidable on our team. The inclusion of West has given us an abundance of4's. Our problems were with playing them together. It seems like both are too good to be the third string PF. So maybe that will come into play this summer.
My other question is whether Pop is going to play Boban in the first or second unit? If Tim returns he can either start or come off the bench, but we need another big to match up with OKC. Will Pop develop Boban into a viable playoff piece?
This I agree with!
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