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    Weren't you supposed to stay out of the politics forum?
    This section is way more entertaining.

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    HOW COMEY’S FIRING ACCELERATES THE RUSSIA INVESTIGATIONS

    Comey is the third person Trump has fired for investigating his associates’ connections to Russia, including

    the former acting
    Attorney General Sally Yates and

    the former
    U.S. Attorney Preet Bharara.

    http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/how-comeys-firing-accelerates-the-russia-investigations?mbid=nl_TNY%20Template%20-%20With%20Photo%20(168)&CNDID=43758549&spMailingID =10993051&spUserID=MTQzNTk4NzA3ODYzS0&spJobID=1160 872032&spReportId=MTE2MDg3MjAzMgS2

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    You act like there hasn't been an ongoing investigation for a year. Not a single person on either IC committee has said there was evidence he was compromised or colluded. Same for the IC heads.

    How do you have proof and James Comey/James Clapper/Sally Yates couldn't come up with any?
    Has the investigation concluded?

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    Democrats’ nuclear option over Comey’s firing: shut down the Senate

    Here’s how Senate Democrats’ “nuclear option” over Comey would work:

    Unlike the House of Representatives, the Senate operates under what are called “unanimous consent” agreements.

    If Senate Democrats withhold their consent, the routine functioning of the body — from committee hearings to routine floor votes — could grind to an immediate halt.

    “It would stop everything in the Senate and effectively shut it down,” said Josh Huder, a congressional scholar at Georgetown’s Government Affairs Ins ute.

    “If they go down this road, things could get pretty slow and ugly in the Senate.”

    https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/5/10/15610894/democrats-comey-senate-shutdown

    Will the Senate Dems find their balls and spine? I doubt it. Schumer is weakling.



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    Democrats’ nuclear option over Comey’s firing: shut down the Senate

    Here’s how Senate Democrats’ “nuclear option” over Comey would work:

    Unlike the House of Representatives, the Senate operates under what are called “unanimous consent” agreements.

    If Senate Democrats withhold their consent, the routine functioning of the body — from committee hearings to routine floor votes — could grind to an immediate halt.

    “It would stop everything in the Senate and effectively shut it down,” said Josh Huder, a congressional scholar at Georgetown’s Government Affairs Ins ute.

    “If they go down this road, things could get pretty slow and ugly in the Senate.”

    https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/5/10/15610894/democrats-comey-senate-shutdown

    Will the Senate Dems find their balls and spine? I doubt it. Schumer is weakling.


    That will never happen, not in a million years.

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    That will never happen, not in a million years.
    I hope not. I don't think such an action would be in anyone's interest.

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    I hope not. I don't think such an action would be in anyone's interest.
    are you ting me? that would be delicious!

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    I hope not. I don't think such an action would be in anyone's interest.
    Agreed.

    The democrats have things lined up nicely for 2018. The failed healthcare bill alone was enough to derail them. This is just icing on the cake.

    Democrats shouldn't do to disrupt that progress. Republicans will hear it in 2018 via votes.

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    These far left mother ers who pushed the Clinton = Trump narrative are now butthurt that they got him elected and want to sabotage Democrats further. What a re ed trap they're setting.

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    I hope not. I don't think such an action would be in anyone's interest.
    The Senate's non-Trash business can wait until Trash is impeached and gone.

    Shut down the Senate if Senate Repugs continue to coverup.

    And we need a truly independent pit bull to go after Trash, not some career Repug establishment lap dog.

    And let's not forget that NY AG Schneiderman has setup a staff exclusively to go after Trash's NY business dealings, esp with Russians.

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    I like how he and the WH thought all democrats would be dancing and there wouldn't be a blowback about this. LOL Trump.
    I think they're just saying that as cover. I don't think they actually believe that dems would be happy. Dems don't want any interference with the investigation even if it's being led by something they have been critical of for a whole different reason.

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    These far left mother ers who pushed the Clinton = Trump narrative are now butthurt that they got him elected and want to sabotage Democrats further. What a re ed trap they're setting.
    huh?

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    The Senate's non-Trash business can wait until Trash is impeached and gone.

    Shut down the Senate if Senate Repugs continue to coverup.

    And we need a truly independent pit bull to go after Trash, not some career Repug establishment lap dog.

    And let's not forget that NY AG Schneiderman has setup a staff exclusively to go after Trash's NY business dealings, esp with Russians.
    Democrats would be overplaying their hand so badly doing this, and the Republicans could rightly claim unprecedented obstruction.

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    Their Lines Are Softening

    This is just a gut feel. But I have the sense that the White House is losing control of this story.

    The explanations are transparently ridiculous. Everyone sees that. except Trash and people

    But that’s far from a sufficient condition for Republicans to break ranks. To be clear, I don’t think Republicans are breaking ranks.

    But over the course of the afternoon, the support feels to me like it’s softening.


    You’re hearing a small but growing number of Republican senators putting out statements not so much criticizing the President as saying that there needs to be an explanation of why this happened.


    Basically, this current story is not enough. This isn’t working.

    Just a short time ago, Sen. Boozman (R) of Arkansas, not at all a fan of the spotlight, not someone who makes waves, said:”Americans deserve a full explanation as to the cir stances of the decision to immediately remove Mr. Comey.”

    There are a substantial number of Republicans who are almost total in their fealty, as expressed in statements today:

    Grassley, McConnell, Collins, Cornyn and a number of others.

    But that doesn’t feel to me like the direction this is going.

    This feels like the way things go when a White House starts losing ground on something very, very big.

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/...+%28TPMNews%29
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    Comey firing came after Russia coverage that left Trump screaming at the television

    He had grown enraged by the Russia investigation, two advisers said, frustrated by his inability to control the mushrooming narrative around Russia.

    He repeatedly asked aides why the Russia investigation wouldn’t disappear and demanded they speak out for him.

    He would sometimes scream at television clips about the probe, one adviser said.

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/5/10/1660732/-Comey-firing-came-after-Russia-coverage-that-left-Trump-screaming-at-the-television?detail=emaildksc&link_id=2&can_id=4217e 8eb109c68bd0c2e4143dd2d8c15&source=email-sean- er-hid-in-bushes-to-avoid-facing-non-fox-reporters-about-comey-firing&email_referrer=sean- er-hid-in-bushes-to-avoid-facing-non-fox-reporters-about-comey-firing&email_subject=sean- er-hid-in-bushes-to-avoid-facing-non-fox-reporters-about-comey-firing



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    no one remembers one of your thousands of tweets

    I do though. Flynn associates from 2014 are being subpoenaed, looks like Obama admin is getting dragged into this.

    Have you seen any tweets on whether or not Rice and Lynch are being subpoenaed? With Comey out of the way there is no one to protect them anymore.
    Shut the up and eat a bag of s. You were wrong about wiretapping. About FISA. About Grand Juries. You will be just like both of your accounts. Gone and forgotten.

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    On November 28, Sunlight began maintaining an ongoing list of confirmed reports of conflicts of interest, where Trump business has clearly mixed with public business, and unconfirmed reports of conflicts of interest, where more reporting is needed. We’ll continue to update the embedded do ents, below, as more relevant news stories, court filings and legislation enter the public record, including noting when or if a given conflict has been resolved. On May 9th, we relaunched the do ent as a spreadsheet, expanding our list from dozens of confirmed conflicts to hundreds.
    https://sunlightfoundation.com/track...s-of-interest/

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    Deutsche Bank Remains Trump’s Biggest Conflict of Interest Despite Settlements

    “Deutsche poses the biggest conflict that we know about in terms of dollar amounts and the scale of legal exposures,” says Brandon Garrett, a University of Virginia law professor and author of “Too Big To Fail: How Prosecutors Compromise with Corporations.” In trying to clear up its outstanding regulatory troubles, the bank “may have tried to do its best to avoid the appearance of impropriety but it may be impossible for them to do so.”

    Deutsche is Trump’s major creditor, having lent billions to the president since the late 1990s even as other American banks abandoned Trump, who frequently bankrupted his businesses. While the president hasn’t released his tax returns, he has made public some information about his debts. According to these incomplete disclosures and reports, the Trump Organization has roughly $300 million in loans outstanding from the bank. Trump continues to own the business, although he has turned over day-to-day management to his sons.
    Deutsche Bank is the biggest creditor we are aware of.

    Problematic is how flush with cash Russia was due to high oil prices when Trump was in bankruptcy in the first decade of this century.

    Without having the tax returns, it is hard to judge what evidence of collusion or outright money laundering might be in the offing.

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    Hillary broke laws and there were hundreds of do ents provided as proof. There is no proof Trump is compromised.

    Try again.
    The Foreign Corrupt Practices Act of 1977 (FCPA) (15 U.S.C. § 78dd-1, et seq.) is a United States federal law known primarily for two of its main provisions, one that addresses accounting transparency requirements under the Securities Exchange Act of 1934 and another concerning bribery of foreign officials.
    Trump has not divested from any businesses.

    (a) Prohibition
    It shall be unlawful for any issuer which has a class of securities registered pursuant to section 78l of this le or which is required to file reports under section 78o (d) of this le, or for any officer, director, employee, or agent of such issuer or any stockholder thereof acting on behalf of such issuer, to make use of the mails or any means or instrumentality of interstate commerce corruptly in furtherance of an offer, payment, promise to pay, or authorization of the payment of any money, or offer, gift, promise to give, or authorization of the giving of anything of value to—

    (1) any foreign official for purposes of—
    (A)
    (i) influencing any act or decision of such foreign official in his official capacity,

    (ii) inducing such foreign official to do or omit to do any act in violation of the lawful duty of such official, or

    (iii) securing any improper advantage; or

    (B) inducing such foreign official to use his influence with a foreign government or instrumentality thereof to affect or influence any act or decision of such government or instrumentality,

    in order to assist such issuer in obtaining or retaining business for or with, or directing business to, any person;

    (2) any foreign political party or official thereof or any candidate for foreign political office for purposes of—
    (A)
    (i) influencing any act or decision of such party, official, or candidate in its or his official capacity,

    (ii) inducing such party, official, or candidate to do or omit to do an act in violation of the lawful duty of such party, official, or candidate, or

    (iii) securing any improper advantage; or

    (B) inducing such party, official, or candidate to use its or his influence with a foreign government or instrumentality thereof to affect or influence any act or decision of such government or instrumentality,

    in order to assist such issuer in obtaining or retaining business for or with, or directing business to, any person; or

    (3) any person, while knowing that all or a portion of such money or thing of value will be offered, given, or promised, directly or indirectly, to any foreign official, to any foreign political party or official thereof, or to any candidate for foreign political office, for purposes of—
    (A)
    (i) influencing any act or decision of such foreign official, political party, party official, or candidate in his or its official capacity,

    (ii) inducing such foreign official, political party, party official, or candidate to do or omit to do any act in violation of the lawful duty of such foreign official, political party, party official, or candidate, or

    (iii) securing any improper advantage; or

    (B) inducing such foreign official, political party, party official, or candidate to use his or its influence with a foreign government or instrumentality thereof to affect or influence any act or decision of such government or instrumentality,

    in order to assist such issuer in obtaining or retaining business for or with, or directing business to, any person.

    (b) Exception for routine governmental action
    Subsections (a) and (g) of this section shall not apply to any facilitating or expediting payment to a foreign official, political party, or party official the purpose of which is to expedite or to secure the performance of a routine governmental action by a foreign official, political party, or party official.

    (c) Affirmative defenses
    It shall be an affirmative defense to actions under subsection (a) or (g) of this section that—

    (1) the payment, gift, offer, or promise of anything of value that was made, was lawful under the written laws and regulations of the foreign official’s, political party’s, party official’s, or candidate’s country; or

    (2) the payment, gift, offer, or promise of anything of value that was made, was a reasonable and bona fide expenditure, such as travel and lodging expenses, incurred by or on behalf of a foreign official, party, party official, or candidate and was directly related to—
    (A) the promotion, demonstration, or explanation of products or services; or

    (B) the execution or performance of a contract with a foreign government or agency thereof.

    (d) Guidelines by Attorney General
    Not later than one year after August 23, 1988, the Attorney General, after consultation with the Commission, the Secretary of Commerce, the United States Trade Representative, the Secretary of State, and the Secretary of the Treasury, and after obtaining the views of all interested persons through public notice and comment procedures, shall determine to what extent compliance with this section would be enhanced and the business community would be assisted by further clarification of the preceding provisions of this section and may, based on such determination and to the extent necessary and appropriate, issue—

    (1) guidelines describing specific types of conduct, associated with common types of export sales arrangements and business contracts, which for purposes of the Department of Justice’s present enforcement policy, the Attorney General determines would be in conformance with the preceding provisions of this section; and

    (2) general precautionary procedures which issuers may use on a voluntary basis to conform their conduct to the Department of Justice’s present enforcement policy regarding the preceding provisions of this section.

    The Attorney General shall issue the guidelines and procedures referred to in the preceding sentence in accordance with the provisions of subchapter II of chapter 5 of le 5 and those guidelines and procedures shall be subject to the provisions of chapter 7 of that le.

    (e) Opinions of Attorney General
    (1) The Attorney General, after consultation with appropriate departments and agencies of the United States and after obtaining the views of all interested persons through public notice and comment procedures, shall establish a procedure to provide responses to specific inquiries by issuers concerning conformance of their conduct with the Department of Justice’s present enforcement policy regarding the preceding provisions of this section. The Attorney General shall, within 30 days after receiving such a request, issue an opinion in response to that request. The opinion shall state whether or not certain specified prospective conduct would, for purposes of the Department of Justice’s present enforcement policy, violate the preceding provisions of this section. Additional requests for opinions may be filed with the Attorney General regarding other specified prospective conduct that is beyond the scope of conduct specified in previous requests. In any action brought under the applicable provisions of this section, there shall be a rebuttable presumption that conduct, which is specified in a request by an issuer and for which the Attorney General has issued an opinion that such conduct is in conformity with the Department of Justice’s present enforcement policy, is in compliance with the preceding provisions of this section. Such a presumption may be rebutted by a preponderance of the evidence. In considering the presumption for purposes of this paragraph, a court shall weigh all relevant factors, including but not limited to whether the information submitted to the Attorney General was accurate and complete and whether it was within the scope of the conduct specified in any request received by the Attorney General. The Attorney General shall establish the procedure required by this paragraph in accordance with the provisions of subchapter II of chapter 5 of le 5 and that procedure shall be subject to the provisions of chapter 7 of that le.

    (2) Any do ent or other material which is provided to, received by, or prepared in the Department of Justice or any other department or agency of the United States in connection with a request by an issuer under the procedure established under paragraph (1), shall be exempt from disclosure under section 552 of le 5 and shall not, except with the consent of the issuer, be made publicly available, regardless of whether the Attorney General responds to such a request or the issuer withdraws such request before receiving a response.

    (3) Any issuer who has made a request to the Attorney General under paragraph (1) may withdraw such request prior to the time the Attorney General issues an opinion in response to such request. Any request so withdrawn shall have no force or effect.

    (4) The Attorney General shall, to the maximum extent practicable, provide timely guidance concerning the Department of Justice’s present enforcement policy with respect to the preceding provisions of this section to potential exporters and small businesses that are unable to obtain specialized counsel on issues pertaining to such provisions. Such guidance shall be limited to responses to requests under paragraph (1) concerning conformity of specified prospective conduct with the Department of Justice’s present enforcement policy regarding the preceding provisions of this section and general explanations of compliance responsibilities and of potential liabilities under the preceding provisions of this section.

    (f) Definitions
    For purposes of this section:

    (1)
    (A) The term “foreign official” means any officer or employee of a foreign government or any department, agency, or instrumentality thereof, or of a public international organization, or any person acting in an official capacity for or on behalf of any such government or department, agency, or instrumentality, or for or on behalf of any such public international organization.

    (B) For purposes of subparagraph (A), the term “public international organization” means—
    (i) an organization that is designated by Executive order pursuant to section 288 of le 22; or

    (ii) any other international organization that is designated by the President by Executive order for the purposes of this section, effective as of the date of publication of such order in the Federal Register.

    (2)
    (A) A person’s state of mind is “knowing” with respect to conduct, a cir stance, or a result if—
    (i) such person is aware that such person is engaging in such conduct, that such cir stance exists, or that such result is substantially certain to occur; or

    (ii) such person has a firm belief that such cir stance exists or that such result is substantially certain to occur.

    (B) When knowledge of the existence of a particular cir stance is required for an offense, such knowledge is established if a person is aware of a high probability of the existence of such cir stance, unless the person actually believes that such cir stance does not exist.

    (3)
    (A) The term “routine governmental action” means only an action which is ordinarily and commonly performed by a foreign official in—
    (i) obtaining permits, licenses, or other official do ents to qualify a person to do business in a foreign country;

    (ii) processing governmental papers, such as visas and work orders;

    (iii) providing police protection, mail pick-up and delivery, or scheduling inspections associated with contract performance or inspections related to transit of goods across country;

    (iv) providing phone service, power and water supply, loading and unloading cargo, or protecting perishable products or commodities from deterioration; or

    (v) actions of a similar nature.

    (B) The term “routine governmental action” does not include any decision by a foreign official whether, or on what terms, to award new business to or to continue business with a particular party, or any action taken by a foreign official involved in the decisionmaking process to encourage a decision to award new business to or continue business with a particular party.

    (g) Alternative jurisdiction
    (1) It shall also be unlawful for any issuer organized under the laws of the United States, or a State, territory, possession, or commonwealth of the United States or a political subdivision thereof and which has a class of securities registered pursuant to section 78l of this le or which is required to file reports under section 78o (d) of this le, or for any United States person that is an officer, director, employee, or agent of such issuer or a stockholder thereof acting on behalf of such issuer, to corruptly do any act outside the United States in furtherance of an offer, payment, promise to pay, or authorization of the payment of any money, or offer, gift, promise to give, or authorization of the giving of anything of value to any of the persons or en ies set forth in paragraphs (1), (2), and (3) of subsection (a) of this section for the purposes set forth therein, irrespective of whether such issuer or such officer, director, employee, agent, or stockholder makes use of the mails or any means or instrumentality of interstate commerce in furtherance of such offer, gift, payment, promise, or authorization.

    (2) As used in this subsection, the term “United States person” means a national of the United States (as defined in section 1101 of le 8) or any corporation, partnership, association, joint-stock company, business trust, unincorporated organization, or sole proprietorship organized under the laws of the United States or any State, territory, possession, or commonwealth of the United States, or any political subdivision thereof.
    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/15/78dd-1

    Kind of hard to build a $300,000,000 hotel in a place as corrupt as Azerbaijan and not run afoul of that.

    If you like, I can provide something on criminal penalties for helping Iran skirt sanctions, which the Baku hotel most likely did.

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    Money laundering, bribery, skirting sanctions, aiding governments known to be state-sponsors of terrorism.

    Pick a crime... This is the President who just fired the FBI director.

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    Without having the tax returns, it is hard to judge what evidence of collusion or outright money laundering might be in the offing.
    trash's real estate deals are in public records

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    Here's a map.

    Pick a country, read on the corruption environment.

    There are apps for India that allow you to track the bribes you pay to officials. Think Trump hasn't done that?

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    http://nypost.com/2017/05/07/eric-tr...ded-by-russia/

    President Trump’s son Eric once said that his father got funding for his golf courses from the Russians, according to a report.

    Golf writer James Dodson said he hit the links with Eric and Donald at the Trump National Golf Club in Charlotte, N.C., in 2014 when he raised the question of how they found the money to keep developing golf courses when financing was tight during the Recession.

    Trump “sort of tossed off that he had access to $100 million,” Dodson told WBUR-FM, a Boston public radio station, in an interview that aired Friday.

    Later, Dodson, who wrote a biography of Ben Hogan, among other golf books, said he asked Eric the same question as they rode in a golf cart.

    Dodson said Eric Trump replied: “ ‘Well, we don’t rely on American banks. We have all the funding we need out of Russia.’”
    Currently, the Russian government directly owns 75% of all the economy (by market cap, memory of earlier business news profile).

    Don't think that might be a big conflict of interest that could like to some sort of quid pro quo?

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    Subpoenas coming left and right for Flynn

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