Is gutting the team for CP3 worth it?

[SASdynasty!]

CP3 is a ing superstar that porker could never achieve. He's just better skilled than porker at everything.

Hahaha comparing a 4x champion FMVP to a loser that couldn't make the WCF his whole career with a stacked team and good coach. Not to mention how Parker humiliated him in his prime.

This guy lost to the Jazz in the first round this year. Are you kidding me?

[SASdynasty!]

I think Parker became exactly who Pop wanted him to be. Pop was able to build his best offense ever around Tony's gravity forcing mismatches. CP3 can do a lot of things better than Parker, but he'll likely never be able to leverage a "Loop" level system -- especially without holding the ball.

Yah no kidding. This statpadder will drive the Spurs back to early playoff exits...but he'll get his numbers!

[jimbo]

team is already garbage, might as well

i want to see pop work with some new meat, not these TOSB & holdovers from the last championship

[DMC]

Manu could do one year in Philly with Bret for 14m or so just to finish out his career, and to get Philly some vet presence on the floor. From there he could move to coaching.

Tony is coming back and he's starting. I cannot see Pop seriously pursuing the CP3 deal without talking to Tony first and making it known that CP3 is starting. It won't get the Spurs over the hump either way. They'd need another big name like Paul George or Gordon Hayward to come along, two people who can create off the dribble (some) but neither of those guys are going to take a pay hit to play in SA. They are going to go for money, and I think George will end up with the Clippers while Blake will likely end up in either OKC or Denver.

[tmtcsc]

Tony is coming back and he's starting. I cannot see Pop seriously pursuing the CP3 deal without talking to Tony first and making it known that CP3 is starting.

C'mon man, You don't believe that. You're goofing right? You think Pop would make sure TP was ok with the team pursuing CP3 as the starter? You think that's how Pop operates? That doesn't fly with the Spurs. There is 1 Alpha in the organization and its Pop. If players don't like the way he and his 5 x Champion pedigree does things, you can get the out. He's made that very clear and is one of the reasons CP3 would want to come here. I'm sure Pop would tell CP3 his on-court demeaning or public ing-out of others aint gonna fly. CP3 is a nobody compared to Coach Popovich and TP is even less.

[tmtcsc]

Why do people keep thinking Tp is coming back, much less starting? Did you not see him play the last few years? BEFORE his injury, it was clear he lost his speed, quickness and lift. Add to all that, the dude is 35 years old. He just suffered a very rare injury that athletes don't come back from. He's a proud dude, believes he can do it, but that doesn't mean you all have to. He's entering the last year of his contract and will get paid 15 Million dollars no matter what. I don't think the organization had any interest letting him ride out in to the sunset with another contract. He's 100% done and I doubt he ever makes it back on the court. It would be a miracle.

[dbreiden83080]

If he can stay healthy paired with Leonard and LA, we can win a le in the next 3 years..

[DMC]

C'mon man, You don't believe that. You're goofing right? You think Pop would make sure TP was ok with the team pursuing CP3 as the starter? You think that's how Pop operates? That doesn't fly with the Spurs. There is 1 Alpha in the organization and its Pop. If players don't like the way he and his 5 x Champion pedigree does things, you can get the out. He's made that very clear and is one of the reasons CP3 would want to come here. I'm sure Pop would tell CP3 his on-court demeaning or public ing-out of others aint gonna fly. CP3 is a nobody compared to Coach Popovich and TP is even less.

I don't think Pop would need Tony's approval but he'd talk with him first to get him interested in the project, and Tony and Chris are friends so Pop would rely on Tony to coax Paul into wanting to come to SA. In order for that to happen, Tony would have to let Chris know that he's ok with it. Pop would need to know Tony is indeed OK with it. I never mentioned getting his approval. No need to read into it things I didn't say.

Pop stuck with Bonner until Bonner retired. He won't trade or waive Tony unless Tony makes that decision. If you don't realize that you've not really paid attention.

[dbreiden83080]

Why do people keep thinking Tp is coming back, much less starting? Did you not see him play the last few years? BEFORE his injury, it was clear he lost his speed, quickness and lift. Add to all that, the dude is 35 years old. He just suffered a very rare injury that athletes don't come back from. He's a proud dude, believes he can do it, but that doesn't mean you all have to. He's entering the last year of his contract and will get paid 15 Million dollars no matter what. I don't think the organization had any interest letting him ride out in to the sunset with another contract. He's 100% done and I doubt he ever makes it back on the court. It would be a miracle.

Agreed. Tony is 35 and that is a devastating career ending injury.. His legs were bad before this.. Truth be told considering how hard Tim was pushing at the end of his career and the state of that knee, it's a miracle he did not suffer something similar.

[Chillen]

Agreed. Tony is 35 and that is a devastating career ending injury.. His legs were bad before this.. Truth be told considering how hard Tim was pushing at the end of his career and the state of that knee, it's a miracle he did not suffer something similar.

Yes, thankfully Tim ended his career in a Timmy like way just walking off the court in OKC looking at no one and puts his hand in the air bye. I feel bad for Tony on that play as he was a great Spur and if Spurs can't sign CP3 pretty sure they will wait to see what he has left in the tank once he heals. If they can sign CP3 odds are that was Parker's last game as a Spur to.

[tmtcsc]

Pop stuck with Bonner until Bonner retired. He won't trade or waive Tony unless Tony makes that decision. If you don't realize that you've not really paid attention.

Lol, I haven't paid attention? Bonner was unceremoniously shown the door when his contract expired. He retired when Pop said it was time.:

Read here -> http://news4sanantonio.com/sports/sp...with-the-spurs

This isn't 2007 Tony Parker we are talking about. TP got his Finals MVP 10 years ago. Let that sink in for a minute. He's old AND injured. He's done. He's never been what Manu and Tim were to the organization. I don't think people realize that. The guy messed around with another player's wife. Whether it was sexting or a physical affair doesn't matter. Its amazing he lasted this long on the team. When you think of the team's culture and selflessness, you think of Manu, not TP.

[tmtcsc]

Yes, thankfully Tim ended his career in a Timmy like way just walking off the court in OKC looking at no one and puts his hand in the air bye. I feel bad for Tony on that play as he was a great Spur and if Spurs can't sign CP3 pretty sure they will wait to see what he has left in the tank once he heals. If they can sign CP3 odds are that was Parker's last game as a Spur to.

Some people remember Tim getting his shot blocked at the end of the game. I remember him playing his ass off the entire night and going out with everything he had. - Including 5 rings. Dude was a Champion until the end.

[tmtcsc]

Agreed. Tony is 35 and that is a devastating career ending injury.. His legs were bad before this.. Truth be told considering how hard Tim was pushing at the end of his career and the state of that knee, it's a miracle he did not suffer something similar.

It was actually both knees at the end. What he was able to accomplish with all the mileage was unreal. He was still playing at a high-level, his knees just didn't cooperate.

[DMC]

Lol, I haven't paid attention? Bonner was unceremoniously shown the door when his contract expired. He retired when Pop said it was time.:

Bonner was done years ago. His contract was up. Pop didn't show him the door.

Read here -> http://news4sanantonio.com/sports/sp...with-the-spurs

Of course, his contract expired. Tony's hasn't.

This isn't 2007 Tony Parker we are talking about. TP got his Finals MVP 10 years ago. Let that sink in for a minute. He's old AND injured. He's done. He's never been what Manu and Tim were to the organization. I don't think people realize that. The guy messed around with another player's wife. Whether it was sexting or a physical affair doesn't matter. Its amazing he lasted this long on the team. When you think of the team's culture and selflessness, you think of Manu, not TP.

It wasn't 2007 Tony since 2007. He's been almost pure in the post season for the last 3 post seasons, even during the 2014 Finals he sucked. He still gets his starting role though. Don't be naive. I don't think of any of them. Manu took 14m to play very limited minutes last year because Philly would have paid him more. It's a business. Tony is coming back.

[tmtcsc]

Bonner was done years ago. His contract was up. Pop didn't show him the door.

Of course, his contract expired. Tony's hasn't.

It wasn't 2007 Tony since 2007. He's been almost pure in the post season for the last 3 post seasons, even during the 2014 Finals he sucked. He still gets his starting role though. Don't be naive. I don't think of any of them. Manu took 14m to play very limited minutes last year because Philly would have paid him more. It's a business. Tony is coming back.

Robert Horry and Matt Bonner wanted to continue playing after their last contracts expired. The Spurs didn't want them back - that's showing them the door. You said Pop let Bonner play until he retired as if it was on Matt's terms. That's not what happened. Once the team decided to move on, they moved on. I listed many players earlier in this thread - alot of them beloved by the fans - that the Spurs traded toward the end of their careers. I'm not the one being naive here. It's a business and TP costs a lot of money for someone who won't be playing. If the Spurs F.O. can find a place to dump his salary, they will. He doesn't have a no-trade clause.

Patty Mills was not the answer at PG and neither is Murray at this stage. The Spurs need to find another PG & if CP3 wants to be here, they will likely do what is necessary to make it happen. IMO, you move the dead weight of TP's 15 Million per season and DG's 10 Million. CP3 has about 3 or 4 solid years left if he can stay healthy.

As for Manu, I'm sure Pop would love to have him back for another season but it won't be for 14 Mill. per season. That was an unexpected punch in the nuts courtesy of Philly.

[Chillen]

As for Manu, I'm sure Pop would love to have him back for another season but it won't be for 14 Mill. per season. That was an unexpected punch in the nuts courtesy of Philly.

Manu didn't look done in the playoffs, he played alright, some good scoring, passes and that block on Harden was amazing. I think he has another season left in the tank if he wants to do it.

[szkorhetz]

If he can stay healthy paired with Leonard and LA, we can win a le in the next 3 years..

No one is beating gsw in the west.

[Chillen]

No one is beating gsw in the west.

The Warriors have made it to three straight NBA finals, eventually they will have an off year due to all the grind of all these long seasons, it happens to all teams that get that far. More than likely Durant is gonna have to carry them all next season to even win near 60 games again. Curry isn't LeBron, he is a skilled smart player but his body will need rest.

[DPG21920]

On the surface losing Mills/Dedmon/Pau/TP for CP is no big deal. Like someone said Dedmon / Pau / TP either due to matchup or injury didn't play basically after RD1.

Plus it allows you to take fliers (more forces you to) on different players that may be younger and more niche / custom built.

The issue becomes, like many of us questioned early, the fit. Any superstar would have fit concerns and not just on Spurs. People questioned Bron Wade Bosh fit even though we all knew the insane talent level.

But ball dominant players are EASILY the most difficult players to fit in. It's legit concern even though the talent level would go up.

I'm torn. It's not a bad plan because the players Sa would be losing aren't a huge deal. But age and money and more importantly fit are concerns. I'm not too worried about money because if CP3 is an awful fit he's still immensely tradable.

[coachmac87]

On the surface losing Mills/Dedmon/Pau/TP for CP is no big deal. Like someone said Dedmon / Pau / TP either due to matchup or injury didn't play basically after RD1.

Plus it allows you to take fliers (more forces you to) on different players that may be younger and more niche / custom built.

The issue becomes, like many of us questioned early, the fit. Any superstar would have fit concerns and not just on Spurs. People questioned Bron Wade Bosh fit even though we all knew the insane talent level.

But ball dominant players are EASILY the most difficult players to fit in. It's legit concern even though the talent level would go up.

I'm torn. It's not a bad plan because the players Sa would be losing aren't a huge deal. But age and money and more importantly fit are concerns. I'm not too worried about money because if CP3 is an awful fit he's still immensely tradable.

The ball dominant things is a little overblown imo..there aren't many elite PG's that aren't except Curry. But Paul is an extremely efficient player and runs one of the best offenses past couple of years. Westbrook who's considered the best PG in the league is extremely ball dominant..but Paul is a better shooter, ball handler and passer..only thing Westbrook is better at is attacking the rim or paint...

So it's not as much as Paul style of play that isn't appealing to others..it's that he's 32 and could demand a max..Clippers had an elite offense and that's because of Paul...add a floor general like that to the Spurs? A team with another superstar and one of the better defenses??! It's a no brainier if you can create the proper cap space

[TheGreatYacht]

The usual suspects slamming Paul because he, a point guard, has the ball as often as he does. Vanilla nostalgia fans. This is a PG era. This isn't the 90s when you had white point guards that dribbled with one hand and fed their post player ala Patty Mills.

Clippers with Paul: 43-18
Clippers without Paul: 8-13

but mah point guard holds the ball too much

Also lmfao @ posters pinning his team's shortcomings on him. He literally elevates his game in the playoffs and was a Top 3 player these playoffs. Not his fault some max player on his team can't play thru toe injuries.

Chris Paul career reg season stats:
18.7ppg, 4.4rpg, 9.9apg, 47.3FG%, 37 3P%, 2.4TO

Chris Paul career playoffs stats:
21.4ppg, 4.7rpg, 9.4apg, 48.4FG%, 38.1 3P%, 2.7TO

those shooting percentages. Only Parker and Curry have been that efficient as point guards iirc

[coachmac87]

The usual suspects slamming Paul because he, a point guard, has the ball as often as he does. Vanilla nostalgia fans. This is a PG era. This isn't the 90s when you had white point guards that dribbled with one hand and fed their post player ala Patty Mills.

Clippers with Paul: 43-18
Clippers without Paul: 8-13

but mah point guard holds the ball too much

Also lmfao @ posters pinning his team's shortcomings on him. He literally elevates his game in the playoffs and was a Top 3 player these playoffs. Not his fault some max player on his team can't play thru toe injuries.

Chris Paul career reg season stats:
18.7ppg, 4.4rpg, 9.9apg, 47.3FG%, 37 3P%, 2.4TO

Chris Paul career playoffs stats:
21.4ppg, 4.7rpg, 9.4apg, 48.4FG%, 38.1 3P%, 2.7TO

those shooting percentages. Only Parker and Curry have been that efficient as point guards iirc

Great post...

[tim_duncan_fan]

I'm hesitant about him for age/injury/salary reasons but if Paul is a tough asshole that's a major plus in my opinion.

This team is too soft.

[TheGreatYacht]

2016-2017 playoffs stats:
7.8ppg, 3.6rpg, 1.4apg, 0.6spg, 0.9bpg, 34.2 3P%


2016-2017 playoffs stats:
7.7ppg, 7.1rpg, 1.9apg, 0.4spg, 0.9bpg, 43.9FG%

Or


2016-2017 playoffs stats:
25.3ppg, 5.0rpg, 9.9apg, 49.6FG%, 28.1PER, 24.9 WS/48, 12.2BPM




Not going to count Mills, Simmons, and Dedmon because they're about to get paid. So it's unrealistic keeping them. Only Simmons is worth the money. Ginobili? He can come back for the vets min or gtfo

[DPG21920]

The ball dominant things is a little overblown imo..there aren't many elite PG's that aren't except Curry. But Paul is an extremely efficient player and runs one of the best offenses past couple of years. Westbrook who's considered the best PG in the league is extremely ball dominant..but Paul is a better shooter, ball handler and passer..only thing Westbrook is better at is attacking the rim or paint...

So it's not as much as Paul style of play that isn't appealing to others..it's that he's 32 and could demand a max..Clippers had an elite offense and that's because of Paul...add a floor general like that to the Spurs? A team with another superstar and one of the better defenses??! It's a no brainier if you can create the proper cap space

I think what you said is accurate but also the point. All those guys you mentioned have offenses that have to be built around them. They have insane usage rates and in many cases like WB it looks like it torpedoed the team when it mattered.