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    I know you live in a fantasy world where the Spurs didn't beat your ideal offense with clunky old LMA and flawed role-players, but it's not the real world.

    And you make it sound like I said LMA needed to take the most shots or something. I went out of my way to say he needed to be the first guy to touch it most of the time, not the last guy. A lot of the Spurs BG offense began with an opening post-up.
    No matter how you phrase it or spin it, it's still laughably dumb.

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    No matter how you phrase it or spin it, it's still laughably dumb.
    It's very dumb of you to constantly rewrite last year's playoffs. Yes.

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    It's very dumb of you to constantly rewrite last year's playoffs. Yes.
    Harden had the worst game of his life. On a team that depended solely on that guy to create offense, I think it's smart to conclude that that team would have been beaten anyway. It's at least a debatable argument.

    On the other hand, saying Aldridge > Kawhi as a first option is dumb re ation at it's finest. No place for twsits, turns or debates.

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    I just found it funny how much people downplayed the Spurs..if Kawhi was healthy and played, this team would have been MUCH better than OKC or Denver or Minnesota..they probably would have finished ahead of GS..
    Not as funny as thinking Lillard is the 2nd best PG and 7th best player in the NBA.

    It wasn't that the Spurs were downplayed, so much as the Thunder and Timberwolves were overplayed. I knew the Timberwolves were and said as much in the off season. I had the Thunder figured out not long after . . . http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...=270489&page=4.

    If you claim to have thought the Spurs mostly sans Leonard would be equal to a mostly healthy Thunder or that Oladipo would outplay George and graduate to the same tier, you're a liar.

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    Harden had the worst game of his life. On a team that depended solely on that guy to create offense, I think it's smart to conclude that that team would have been beaten anyway. It's at least a debatable argument.

    On the other hand, saying Aldridge > Kawhi as a first option is dumb re ation at it's finest. No place for twsits, turns or debates.
    I'm going to try to be as diplomatic as possible here: I don't think you understand basketball. Not really. I think you only know how to look at stats and repeat jargon about analytics. Again, not trying to insult you, but your arguments rarley address how plays actually work. I'll go into sets and options and whatnot, and you'll dismiss it with no nuanced counter. "Modern basketball" only makes sense as an evolution of fundamental basketball. No amount of stat reciting will ever make up for that.

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    They only won 1 or 2 games more than the Spurs, my guy
    jazz went on a 30-5 run to end the season while spur was ting it up. their regular season record means nothing they were much better team second half of the year. they are playing better than the Showers sans curry tbqh

    spur needed OT to beat team w/o Gobert after losing to a rook in the 2nd to last matchup

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    Not as funny as thinking Lillard is the 2nd best PG and 7th best player in the NBA.

    It wasn't that the Spurs were downplayed, so much as the Thunder and Timberwolves were overplayed. I knew the Timberwolves were and said as much in the off season. I had the Thunder figured out not long after . . . http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...=270489&page=4.

    If you claim to have thought the Spurs mostly sans Leonard would be equal to a mostly healthy Thunder or that Oladipo would outplay George and graduate to the same tier, you're a liar.
    I didn't say anything about myself, I don't know why you're freaking out I just bumped this to put things in perspective that the Spurs had a successful season, all things considered..many posters here and most of the media had them equal or behind those teams WITH Kawhi..

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    jazz went on a 30-5 run to end the season while spur was ting it up. their regular season record means nothing they were much better team second half of the year. they are playing better than the Showers sans curry tbqh

    spur needed OT to beat team w/o Gobert after losing to a rook in the 2nd to last matchup
    I was referring to OKC, not Utah..

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    I didn't say anything about myself, I don't know why you're freaking out I just bumped this to put things in perspective that the Spurs had a successful season, all things considered..many posters here and most of the media had them equal or behind those teams WITH Kawhi..
    The implication was that you thought otherwise and that there was sound reasoning for doing so (when there clearly wasn't).

    How am I freaking out?

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    I'm going to try to be as diplomatic as possible here: I don't think you understand basketball. Not really. I think you only know how to look at stats and repeat jargon about analytics. Again, not trying to insult you, but your arguments rarley address how plays actually work. I'll go into sets and options and whatnot, and you'll dismiss it with no nuanced counter. "Modern basketball" only makes sense as an evolution of fundamental basketball. No amount of stat reciting will ever make up for that.
    No ammount of diplomacy will make Aldridge a better offensive option than Kawhi.

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    No ammount of diplomacy will make Aldridge a better offensive option than Kawhi.
    It's funny that Chinook talks about your "ideal offense" of dominant guards in a perimeter oriented league was 2016-17 Rockets...What's about full-healthy GSW?

    Modern basketball wasn't Harden, was about great shooters winning two ships without a mid-range/post-up bigman eating shots.

    As diplomatic as posible...Chinook won't admit a mistake even if his life depends on it.
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    No matter how you phrase it or spin it, it's still laughably dumb.
    No matter how you spin it about being misunderstood for the next few pages-what you posted about PG having more value than LA is dumber than dumb.

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    No matter how you spin it about being misunderstood for the next few pages-what you posted about PG having more value than LA is dumber than dumb.
    I don't need to spin , tbh. George > Aldridge for today's NBA.

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    No ammount of diplomacy will make Aldridge a better offensive option than Kawhi.
    But not understanding what I meant by option will cause you to accuse me of something I didn't say.

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    Jeeeezus some Spurfan is really hateful and ungrateful...

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    But not understanding what I meant by option will cause you to accuse me of something I didn't say.
    What you said was pretty clear, tbh.

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    Jeeeezus some Spurfan is really hateful and ungrateful...
    I'm very grateful. I'm also very realistic and like to call it how I see it.

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    What you said was pretty clear, tbh.
    Evidently not given how you don't seem to know what I said.

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    Evidently not given how you don't seem to know what I said.
    You clearly said Aldridge should be the number one option over Kawhi.

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    You clearly said Aldridge should be the number one option over Kawhi.
    But what does that mean to you?

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    I'm very grateful. I'm also very realistic and like to call it how I see it.
    Maybe I am emotional tonight bc it might be Manu’s last game if the team gets eliminated. Go figure. I didn’t think it would hit me like this since I wasn’t emotional last season, but It hit me in “the feels”. You just never know.

    I don’t want to be all preachy or anything and normally critiquing of Spurs players is expected here but it’s hollow to sing praises to Kiwi right now when he’s missed an entire season and expects a supermax in spite of it. Lamarcus carried the same roster people hated for Kawhi las summer with no complaints and without Kiwis 25 PPG and everything else he adds to the game. He’s had an amazing season l. I don’t think even his Portland teams were this devoid of scoring punch.

    its been a struggle and a grind and I just feel like being appreciative of the guys who played this season.

    You just picked the wrong season to be hating Lamarcus tbh...

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    But what does that mean to you?
    What it means to everybody. Do you think that this comment you made:

    "And you make it sound like I said LMA needed to take the most shots or something. I went out of my way to say he needed to be the first guy to touch it most of the time, not the last guy. A lot of the Spurs BG offense began with an opening post-up."

    Was some kind of complex idea that I couldn't understand?

    That's why I said that not matter how you phrase it or spin it, you are still wrong. Kawhi has to shoot it more, touch it more and touch it first more because he is the vastly superior player.

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    DAF stuck in 2016-17 ...

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    Maybe I am emotional tonight bc it might be Manu’s last game if the team gets eliminated. Go figure. I didn’t think it would hit me like this since I wasn’t emotional last season, but It hit me in “the feels”. You just never know.

    I don’t want to be all preachy or anything and normally critiquing of Spurs players is expected here but it’s hollow to sing praises to Kiwi right now when he’s missed an entire season and expects a supermax in spite of it. Lamarcus carried the same roster people hated for Kawhi las summer with no complaints and without Kiwis 25 PPG and everything else he adds to the game. He’s had an amazing season l. I don’t think even his Portland teams were this devoid of scoring punch.

    its been a struggle and a grind and I just feel like being appreciative of the guys who played this season.

    You just picked the wrong season to be hating Lamarcus tbh...
    That's were you are wrong. I'm not hating, I'm just calling it how I see it.

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    DAF stuck in 2016-17 ...
    One more thing: Weren't you the one hating on Manu and saying he should retire after every single game you thought he played bad, and I'm the one hating on guys?

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