Yea if its just beli and filler itll be a pretty low end move for sure
so sign and trade marco + filler for morris...
would be funny tbh... first we thought carroll was getting MLE funds (but then bertans S&T negated that), then we thought morris was taking all of it (marco + parts S&T negates that), now perhaps neither are getting MLE funds?
Yeah, the Spurs are hard capped but they're ~$17 million under the hard cap counting everyone (including Morris and all the rookies at max pay scale). Unless they have something really tricky up their sleeve, I don't think they can approach that number.
Right. It's turning a guard logjam into a forward logjam. The only thing I see the team needing is another big. We only have two shotblockers.
Another reason the Morris scenario doesn't work IMO is because he had a player option for year 2. Now at best that would be in year 3.
Here's the list, but I think there may be a couple of these washed out with recent transactions, list is a few weeks old.
The only team with notable cap space right now is the Mavs (~$15 million). Everyone else is under $7 million.
I don't know who has trade exceptions, though.
OKC -
Carmelo Anthony 10,883,189 7/25/2019
Jerami Grant 9,346,153 7/8/2020
Timothe Luwawu-Cabarrot 1,544,951 2/1/2020
Dallas - 21 million (Barnes)
Denver -
Kenneth Faried 13,764,045 7/12/2019
Darrell Arthur 7,464,912 7/12/2019
Houston -
Brandon Knight 3,620,016 2/6/2020
Marquese Chriss 3,206,160 2/6/2020
Ryan Anderson 2,584,136 8/30/2019
James Ennis 1,621,415 2/7/2020
Nik Stauskas 1,544,951 2/7/2020
Chinanu Onuaku 1,544,951 8/2/2019
Carmelo Anthony 1,512,601 1/23/2020
Memphis -
Garrett Temple 8,000,000 2/7/2020
Jarell Martin 2,416,222 7/23/2019
Deyonta Davis 1,544,951 7/17/2019
Shelvin Mack 1,512,601 2/7/2020
Miami - Wayne Ellington 6,270,000 2/6/2020
Wizards -
Markieff Morris 8,600,000 2/7/2020
Otto Porter 6,011,913 2/6/2020
Kelly Oubre 3,208,630 12/15/2019
Jason Smith 2,955,654 12/7/2019
Marcin Gortat 957,609 6/26/2019
Jodie Meeks 694,405 10/15/2019
Nah there is definitely room. Morris and Gay should be spending most of the time at the 4 leaving Carroll as the only full-time 3. If you move the former 2 to the 3 then you have an issue at the 4. KJ and Samanic can't and most likely will not be relied on this season leaving the Spurs with room to fit in a forward who can play the positions.
true true. its why we had to change carroll's deal
Wish I knew more and hope they actually do trade Belinelli. I can't stand his three point shot as he's falling out of bounds and his non-existent defense. This source has almost never been wrong except for #2 being traded at the trade deadline. However, that did almost happen. Hopefully this possible move does take place.
Some of our 2s will be playing the 3 (DDR, Lonnie) becasue of our depth in the backcourt, though.
It’s optimal - SA needed to move some guys anyways and going into the off season with 9M and getting Morris and Carroll and another player near that full MLE levelso sign and trade marco + filler for morris...
would be funny tbh... first we thought carroll was getting MLE funds (but then bertans S&T negated that), then we thought morris was taking all of it (marco + parts S&T negates that), now perhaps neither are getting MLE funds?
But imo, at least 2 of Beli/Forbes/Mills SHOULD be moved but at least one of the HAS to be moved. There are just too many young guys deserving minutes for that not to happen.
And for QWERTY too. Kid has earned a two way and potential playing time next season
Trey Lyles makes a lot of sense in this scenario.
oh i agree its optimal to land carroll + morris while still having full MLE access. it would just be funny to have that kind of roller coaster.It’s optimal - SA needed to move some guys anyways and going into the off season with 9M and getting Morris and Carroll and another player near that full MLE level
But imo, at least 2 of Beli/Forbes/Mills SHOULD be moved but at least one of the HAS to be moved. There are just too many young guys deserving minutes for that not to happen.
id gladly dump marco for a late pick and trade exception, but OP has specifically stated they're targeting a free agent shooter
I suppose that means getting rid of Beli, and maybe another player, to get enough financial space to sign a free agent without exceeding the luxury tax threshold. And create roster space, of course, since the Spurs are now at 15. Or were you told something different?
As far as moving Beli, a trade for picks would do that. Who would have a late 1st round pick, and need a shooter? The Bucks? Maybe Bud will help us out again. The Bucks still have one roster spot unfilled.
Then the FA could be anybody we could just sign. Unrestricted, I suppose.
Spurs are currently about $5 million below the luxury tax threshold.
At this point I just don't see them moving Patty - even if he doesn't have a role / guaranteed minutes, Pop wants him around for the culture and mentoring all the young guys in the backcourt.It’s optimal - SA needed to move some guys anyways and going into the off season with 9M and getting Morris and Carroll and another player near that full MLE level
But imo, at least 2 of Beli/Forbes/Mills SHOULD be moved but at least one of the HAS to be moved. There are just too many young guys deserving minutes for that not to happen.
Salary dumping Beli now and carrying Forbes into the trade deadline to up his value / injury insurance is the optimal approach tbh.
They're probably just looking to get a big with range a la Ryan Anderson or Lyles since Luka will be in Austin all year, and need to clear up a roster spot.
That weakens the team (defensively mostly), imho. Maybe they'll get spot minutes there depending on the situation, but they should be left at their natural positions. It just makes sense to dump one or two guards to make room there and find a foward who can backup the players we have at the 3 and 4.
So if they do a sign and trade for Morris, then they have money to sign another player with the MLE money?
JaMychal Green committed to a deal already. Oubre is pretty much the only FA forward who can shoot the 3, and who has a salary that makes any kind of sense. Last I heard, Phoenix had extended him a QO, and they're carrying a cap hold of close to $10M until he signs somewhere. If he doesn't want to be there, I'm sure he doesn't want to bring them an offer sheet they can match. So a S&T deal makes sense, I guess. I just don't see any other FA's that come close to making sense.
If it's the S&T for Morris, to also get Lyles, the 3P shooting forward must be Morris. Lyles was absolutely terrible from the arc last year.
Correct
Thats what im wondering but if its oubre for that amount what if phoenix matches
Dante Cunningham?? Lol jk
Murray/White/Mills
DD/Walker/Forbes
Carroll/FA/Johnson
Morris/Gay/Samanic
Aldridge/Poeltl/Eubanks
is optimal, imho.
i dont know if morris was ever actually renounced. the thought was boston had to renounce him to sign kemba, but they ended up making kemba-rozier a sign and trade. perhaps that means they didnt renounce morris (dont think ive seen an article explicitly conforming morris was renounced). but still, it would mean morris would have to have a 3 year deal, not a 2 year deal like we've seen reported
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