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Lonnie in great company at 247 and two SpursTalk favorites down there in the pit as well.
they gon definitely play together. Walker/Forbes should be our bench backcourt
Lonnie in great company at 247 and two SpursTalk favorites down there in the pit as well.
Poor defenders show up in the stats because they get targeted by the other team. What you do is, put Forbes, Lonnie and McDermott on the floor all at the same time, and watch the other team run out the shot clock while they try to figure out which one to target, since they all look so bad.
A lot of dollars on that list. 200-230 are allstars. Offense still king.
It's not that bad. He can compliment the youth offensively, but obviously won't prevent them from being bottom feeders, which is what they need to do to finally get a high pick(s).
I'm not saying this off season has been job well done, but I don't get the hysteria either. 1) People should have expected something along these lines and 2) They're not hamstrung, haven't prevented opportunity for youth or kept them on the treadmill and have added picks, with likely more to come when they trade Young.
but how many times did lonnie take off with seemingly bad intentions, only to contort his body any which way to avoid even slightest contact on his way to missing an awkward layup attempt?
This is the right take. The blobs around here fell in love with John Collins, who would have destroyed the cap and probably team chemistry, and Markkanen, while they shed the veterans who needed to leave anyway, set up shooters to spread the floor and give the young guards and wings develop further, and took on no salary that would strangle decisions going forward. They did a good job.
Agreed. A path forward for developing the youth while maintaining flexibility.
Those other moves were quintessential treadmill moves to nowhere.
Maybe worse than treadmill, really. Signing Collins to huge money would likely mean having to get rid of good young guard talent down the line. I can't imagine spending 30 million a year or whatever for that guy.
I mean, the geniuses on this board were in love with getting Tobias Harris for ungodly money a few years ago and now Philly is desperate to get rid of him.
There is so much "guard talent" on this team that someone is going to have to go at some point anyways, but I agree with you.
I wasn't for signing John Collins as, to me, it would lead to a lesser 90's Spurs era where they would win some 40 games and not even flame out in the playoffs. They'd just get unceremoniously kicked to the curb.
At least DRob would get us some 55 wins and a hope along with an entertaining season, but then Run TMC, or Utah would shove them aside.
JCollins would give 10-15 less wins and no hope and then a proper spanking for the next 4-5 years with less to work with moving forward.
The grousers on this site would be having a field day though! T'would make this place more active and aggravating at the same time while they were the ones that were wrong from the beginning, lol.
Zone?
Pop's a good coach -- he coaches to his roster.
A few here will figure that out (eventually).
McDermott will start. It makes sense, unless Luka is ready now. Splitting up McDermott and Forbes makes sense also. Gives a good shooter on the floor the majority of the time. With Walker as well and if the big Oz, the team has shooters. But they still lack a player that can create his own 3, which is the most important shot in the game currently. This team is far more balanced. I hope spurs can move Young and Aminu, possibly Poeltl to up grade that center position. Would love to get Sabonis. We got the picks and the contracts.
To be fair:Zone?
Pop's a good coach -- he coaches to his roster.
A few here will figure that out (eventually).
He coaches to his roster while trying to make some of his players expand their role to the point of them not being comfortable and not caring about that, for what he thinks is the betterment to the team.
Look up LMA his first year here.
I was not a big fan of this move, but then I did think that the Spurs need three point shooters to create strength and if they don't have reliable shooting, won't that reduce the growth that the young slashers can have? You can always replace McDermott down the road with another shooter, but I think for the young guys to make the jump in the midrange shots and at the rim, there needs to be some shooters, even if right now they aren't on the same timeline as our young players.
Bingo (although you may not be the first to get that, kudos).
I just figure he will help the Spurs tank unintentionally especially if Pop plays him at PF.
I meant to say "space" not strength. McDermott will help create space, which will help slashers like DJM, Walker (hopefully), KJ, and Vassell get space and learn how to work with that space. Shooters that can't play defense? Those guys are easier to find and in 3 years, McDermott can be replaced by a younger one, assuming players like Primo and our other young guys don't develop into top level NBA shooters.
See, I don't get this. This is a clear example of how a middling team can still be a path to a contender. Duncan is obviously a GOAT candidate who had MVP votes as a rookie, but he came into the league with a championship-level supporting cast due to a confluence of cir stances. The 1999 le almost certainly doesn't happen if the Spurs are a team bereft of talent in 1997. Of course, the chances that any team can repeat the Spurs' luck in 97 are low. But you don't have to do that in today's NBA because you don't have to draft a star to get one. So if anyone is following the spirit of the old Spurs' strategy, it would be building up the role-players an experience on the team while remaining flexible so you can jump on the chance to nab a star when the chance arises. And if you find yourself out of the playoffs with an injured roster and can improve your draft position by keeping those guys out and dropping a few games, that works too.
Is Collins David Robinson? No, not even the hurt version. But he's probably Sean Elliott, and White is better than Avery and so on.
Jesus Christ why are people obsessed with an expensive 'star' in John Collins?
Furkan Korkmaz, who signed for 3 years/15mil. Younger, still improving, & fits the timeline better. Not quite the offensive player McDermott is right now, but also not the extreme defensive liability, and almost 1/3rd the salary.
https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_...&p2yrfrom=2021
TANKing with integrity and outstanding character, the Spurs way.
You toot that horn bro.
Toot away.
We're past Collins as an actual player at this point. Those arguments are moot. I was commenting on the philosophy of building a team. I don't think the pre-Duncan Spurs were a bad jumping off the point, and the suggestion that we should want the team to bypass signings that put them in that same situation is weird to me. Imagine a team good enough to win 40 games while still having readily made cap space and tradeable assets. In my opinion that sounds great, way better than tanking and significantly more likely to work as well.
There were no good FAs available this year at a high price point.
The problem is we had that and the FO did nothing. We had people making up reasons why the vets shouldn’t be traded and how it’s about culture etc.
That plan only works if the front office is capable of making moves to jump forward and this FO has not shown the ability to do so. So getting a top pick for this team is the best way and I wanted Collins badly. But they couldn’t make it happen this time.
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