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he also has to actually become a knock down 3 point shooter too
34% is not cutting it... at all
dejounte gonna get paaaid
he also has to actually become a knock down 3 point shooter too
34% is not cutting it... at all
I realize it's me watching highlights on you tube but this kid Langford seems to be a live body out there. I've read an issue with him is staying healthy. Hope he works out. Lonnie better watch the out.
the glut of guards is the cause for players not getting as much minutes as they should
not getting as much minutes as they should = Not having the time to showcase their talent
not having the time to showcase their talent = no overpaid players
IMO, if they alternatively focused their selections on roster balance early, we’d have a ton of overpaid players
Finally spurs getting some firdt round picks,hopefukky a top top 5..
When Spurs picked DJ and White, it’s to eventually replace TP and Manu. And the league just started being heavy-guards, thus Lonnie, Quindarry, Tre and Primo. Vassell is more of a defensive SG/SF like Green. I don’t have problem with that. In hindsight, Spurs just cleared like 35mil cap space, potential top 5 pick, multiple 1st, plenty of assets on it’s 3rd year. Spurs are in for a busy exciting Summer!
It’s a move that had to be done but definitely gonna miss that big forehead. Dude was a class act and a good player on the Spurs. DJ is just better and the white/Murray combo wasn’t going to get the spurs anywhere.
Whoever the next running mate is HAS to be able to reliably score and do more on offense than be a streaky shooter like White was.
Not going to miss all the sulking from White.
I don't think any player over 23 will be on this team next year. Murray and Jacob too old for the rebuild.
I wonder how Derrick will play post-trade. He clearly had no interest in even trying to be more than a glue guy, so theoretically he is in the type of situation he wants to be in now. But he's very neurotic. His confidence might fall off a cliff at being traded and in a whole new world.
I get that, but I'd be happier if the draft class was better, I don't like anyone even as an all-star among the top.
When a team has a pick protected, is it the draft position AFTER the lottery balls are selected? In other words, if this pick turns out to be the 5th pick after the lottery balls are selected, would we get it?
Yes
after the lottery balls
So now, turn these 3 picks this year into Victor Wembanyama next year.......
Assuming both picks convey this year (basically Celtics have to not have ball drawn in lottery if they’re even in lottery, and Raptors have to make the playoffs proper - not play-in)…
Spurs will have the assets to grab nearly ANYONE they want in the draft, assuming there’s a player they covet. Trade ups + if you really wanted to move into top 3, other young assets.
Pretty unique situation to be in. I don’t expect them to draft three guys, so likely will trade up. Roster is already going to be full before accounting for use of cap space.
For what it’s worth I don’t think 3 firsts gets you into the top 3.
I’m seeing the top 5 being impactful and it levels from 6-15. Maybe things will become more clear a few months from now but I see kind of a ho-hum draft class.
Hope Romeo gets all Lonnie’s minutes.
Generally it's almost impossible to move up from a spot like #6 to #2 or #3 without a major investment. Teams get very tightfisted. The picks we may get in the teens might be put together to move up a few spots but that's generally it.
As I said before, thinking that you can just trade up in the draft ignores the obvious rebuttal that teams might not want to move down. This isn't a case where if the Spurs can offer up enough "value", they'll get the move-up be default. It takes a team not liking any of the players available enough to risk the Spurs and the teams behind them from getting them while also having a player there whom the Spurs want enough to take rather than let other teams have a crack at them. Despite having the flexibility to move up each of the past two years, they have not done so, and they haven't moved down. Just like the Spurs probably don't want to make three first-round picks, other teams don't either.
Personally, I'm going into this assuming the Spurs are going to have to use each of these four picks. The likely alternative would be moving down with the lower picks or shunting them away for future picks. Just look at the Spurs' new wing Langford for an example of what it looks like to have a bunch of firsts no one wants. If Spurs fans were pissed about the team cutting bait with Samanic, they're not going to like the Spurs being forced to draft meh players they end up giving up on within a year or two. Every player they pick will have reasons to like them -- basically every player in the draft has those. So there will be a way to spin every young player who gets moved or cut as "letting him go too early". In a way, it's fine. This is the reality of rebuilding -- cycling through prospects hoping that someone sticks. I'm not against the strategy, but I don't like its lack of focus.
As I said, there are definitely ways this trade can work out. Langford might be able to grow into a rotation-caliber role-player. Richardson might end up being a helpful trade piece. The pick and/or swap could end up bringing back an impact player. It could be the next franchise-defining trade. But I also think people are wrong to believe the Spurs sold high on White. They moved a solid player signed to a fair deal for three more seasons for an handful of unknowns that are more likely to be meh than great. Even though it would look way different, I don't doubt the Spurs could have gotten a package of similar value at multiple points over the next few seasons, assuming Derrick doesn't completely fall apart. If anything, I wish this could have happened earlier so the Spurs could shop their picks and expirings for other players. Collins and Richardson are somewhat able to help them do that during the draft, but if they had this haul to combine with AFA's, Dragic's and Satoransky's expirings over the summer, they might have been able to make some huge moves.
Also, I wonder how one would rate the apparent values of White, Levert and Haliburton now. All three guards were the headliners of their deals (and yes, considering the Pacers both took back bad money and gave a second, Haliburton was the player with the most value in the deal).
More I think about it the less I like it. I've said back through the summer and I think since he signed the deal, that they could have moved him for a first round pick whenever they wanted. Easy.
Did they really improve on that? I read the swap was #1 protected. And probably 2022 is a pick in the 20s ... But they're down a good player now.
White is a good NBA player. And he will leave a hole in their roster, because Romeo doesn't look like an NBA player and Richardson is an average player only under contract for another year who has been passed around like a groupie.
And I don't buy this 'timeline' stuff. If the Spurs cared about timelines, they wouldn't have signed a 30 year old McDermott to a 3 year deal.
White is good. They don't even make the playoffs against Denver without White. He will be great in Boston alongside better talent.
Yes, White gone helps a tank. But it just highlights the terrible decision to not tank when Kawhi was hiding. It made sense to compete with no chance if it helped Pop keep some dignity, but now they're tanking anyway with Pop all the same. What a giant waste of time. They should have told Kawhi to get bent, and moved off the vets they never moved and been back in business by now and not junking good players. Great, it makes time for Primo ... How about keeping him with Primo and getting rid of guys who aren't legit good like Lonnie?
Disappointed.
Spurs should be doing all they can to make the picks and asserts they’ve gained turn into Jaden Ivey. I see that guy as a franchise player.
I agree with a lot of this, but I can't ride with the idea that the Spurs should have started tanking in 2017-2018. That was one of my favorite years to watch Aldridge and a bunch of scrappy defenders take the team to the playoffs. It sucks that the Spurs and Warriors met in the first round. I think they matched up pretty well with Houston and could have surprised them in a similar way that they surprised Denver the following year. It obviously wasn't a championship year, but I got a lot of enjoyment seeing the last glimpses of the Big Three era still win a lot of games.
I've given my thoughts on the 2018 off-season and don't want to take up the thread doing so again. I don't think I would have preferred them tanking them either.
I also think they gave up White at a bad time, as I've said. I would have been fine trading him for a specific pick during the draft if the Spurs really liked a guy still on the board. , a similar thing might even end up happening with Murray. If Richardson had not gotten his extension, I would have been a bigger fan of the deal, because Wright's shown he can at least turn cap space into draft assets. The Spurs are now at a crossroads with Murray, and they won't really be able to afford to rebuilding for a long time if they don't intend on trading him soon. I strongly doubt they're going to draft their way to competing with Murray. They'll have to make signings and trades. White was likely a sacrifice necessary to that end, but if the end up drafting JAGs as their main compensation and hoping they'll find a way to grow into a solid roster, then it's not worth it.
Will Brown and Taytum even pass him the ball? That’s the real question
White had no future with this team and was frustrating to watch a lot of times. This is an amazing deal.
Unprotected pick from a surefire lottery team is the best case scenario for White , but who would give that honestly.
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