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    Again, the Spurs stuck with KJ even through his poor shooting and he was labeled as a bad 3 pt shooter in the beginning. If folks had their way here, KJ would have never broke through that slump and he would still have the reputation as a poor shooter. The Spurs continued to play him the way they did because that’s how would-be shooters develop into shooters.

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    Sochan made a significant improvement after he switche to one handed FTs and adjusted his form.

    24 games before the change:
    24mpg, 7.5/4.2/2.2 on 46/18/43, took 2 threes per game.

    32 games after the change:
    27mpg, 13.5/6/2.8 on 45/28/78, took 2.7 threes per game.

    While 28% is still horrible, improving by 10% on increased volume is a big cause for optimism.
    Will he ever be an elite shooter? Most definitely not. But he can easily get to 35% on normal catch and shoot attempts when opponents aren't daring him to shoot.

    I don't know how likely it is to happen, but I still have hope that Jeremy can become what Simmons should've been and that would be a complete game changer for this roster.

    Meanwhile, Tre was at 28% for the season on 2.3 attempts.

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    KJ (along with Vassell) basically made a subtle acknowledgment that Sochan’s talent was better than them towards the end of last year. KJ was in full support of Sochan and said his talent was through the roof. I mean it really doesn’t sound like a guy who would be upset if his role was taken by someone he believed was better than him.

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    This is a team which made being a sixth man a honor and had an all time great in Manu coming off bench. If kj can't accept that he ain't over himself

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    Keldon should start. His spacing works much bettter as a starter with Victor and his skills are maximized in the starting unit. Sochan's multiple skills are amplified off the bench.
    I'm starting to buy in on this.... I've had Sochan starting based on an assumption that we'd bring in a PG to start that was a threat frim 3 and bring Tre off the bench. Sochan is the logical starter over KJ if there are 4 guys that can shoot from deep. If we aren't doing that then KJ is the logical starter. You don't want 2 non-shooters in the SL with Wemby.

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    I'm starting to buy in on this.... I've had Sochan starting based on an assumption that we'd bring in a PG to start that was a threat frim 3 and bring Tre off the bench. Sochan is the logical starter over KJ if there are 4 guys that can shoot from deep. If we aren't doing that then KJ is the logical starter. You don't want 2 non-shooters in the SL with Wemby.
    Yet folks here want to sign a brusing center to pair with Wemby.

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    Yet folks here want to sign a brusing center to pair with Wemby.
    I think that's only as a backup type guy. The only starting caliber C that we've tossed about is Lopez, who is a threat from the perimeter. The Plumlee types are to come off the bench.

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    Ya what are we even doing if we arnt starting sochan might as well just trade for Lillard

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    Tre, Vassell, Keldon, Sochan, Wemby.

    Just start the young guns. Let Sochan start playing the Rodman role he is suppossed to play and let him handle the Jokics and Embiids of this World. Nobody is stopping those guys anyways, tbh.

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    Tre, Vassell, Keldon, Sochan, Wemby.

    Just start the young guns. Let Sochan start playing the Rodman role he is suppossed to play and let him handle the Jokics and Embiids of this World. Nobody is stopping those guys anyways, tbh.
    Kj and Tre are not plus players. They are bench players on great teams. I would package and trade the two either at deadline or at end of season. Hoping they improve from last year to increase trade value.

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    Kj and Tre are not plus players. They are bench players on great teams. I would package and trade the two either at deadline or at end of season. Hoping they improve from last year to increase trade value.
    I agree, but, as long as they are here, they should start so as to not diminish their value.

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    Keldon will start in lieu of Sochan. No way our only driver to the basket guy to get possible and - 1's come of the bench. Not to mention he's earned the right to start and has put in his years in the Spurs system. Not to mention that Sochan was Baylor's BEST player in college and still didn't have an ego and didn't mind coming off the bench as the 6th man. Even with Sochan coming off the bench, he will finish games most of time and average at least around the same amount of MPG than anyone on the roster besides Keldon and Vassell. Sochan will not be coming off the bench for ever, it's only due to the way the current roster is constructed. This is not a slight to Sochan at all. Spurs are lucky he doesn't have a bad ego and he want look at coming off the bench as a demotion.

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    Tre, Vassell, Keldon, Sochan, Wemby.

    Just start the young guns. Let Sochan start playing the Rodman role he is suppossed to play and let him handle the Jokics and Embiids of this World. Nobody is stopping those guys anyways, tbh.
    Speaking strictly basketball, seems like that lineup get dominated on the boards. Sochan hasn't really proven that great a rebounder.

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    Speaking strictly basketball, seems like that lineup get dominated on the boards. Sochan hasn't really proven that great a rebounder.
    keldon's been an above average rebounder at the 3. and if vassell keeps bulking up he should help too. gone are the days where dejounte was a menace on the boards, gonna have to be a group effort outside of wemby

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    keldon's been an above average rebounder at the 3. and if vassell keeps bulking up he should help too. gone are the days where dejounte was a menace on the boards, gonna have to be a group effort outside of wemby
    Really loved the energy brought to the boards when he was playing the 4 (and still remember that 20 board performance vs Chicago), but he seemed to really regress last season. Maybe that was by design in his role?

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    Really loved the energy brought to the boards when he was playing the 4 (and still remember that 20 board performance vs Chicago), but he seemed to really regress last season. Maybe that was by design in his role?
    his rebound% did drop. part of it is that in 21-22 he was mostly playing the 4 and was closer to the basket, more opportunities. he slid back to the 3, but didnt have as good a rebounding year as he did in 20-21 in the same position (was his best rebounding season)

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    Should Barlow start over Zollins tbh

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    Should Barlow start over Zollins tbh
    No, for now, but it goes to show you that there's no need in signing a journeyman like Plumlee. Give the young kids some chances.

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    Again, the Spurs stuck with KJ even through his poor shooting and he was labeled as a bad 3 pt shooter in the beginning. If folks had their way here, KJ would have never broke through that slump and he would still have the reputation as a poor shooter. The Spurs continued to play him the way they did because that’s how would-be shooters develop into shooters.
    similar thing can be said about Long and, to a lesser extent, Stak Five.

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    There an updated roster somewhere so I can keep track of all these guys? I'm having a hard time remembering who is here at the moment.

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    There an updated roster somewhere so I can keep track of all these guys? I'm having a hard time remembering who is here at the moment.
    https://www.spotrac.com/nba/san-antonio-spurs/cap/

    at this point we have 17 guys on the roster, so two are going to have to be traded or waived as is. and we have been hearing more and more the cissoko is expected to sign a regular contract and not a two-way, meaning we have to clear out one more spot.

    lamar stevens and khem birch seem like the obvious 2. mamu probably would be the third

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    https://www.spotrac.com/nba/san-antonio-spurs/cap/

    at this point we have 17 guys on the roster, so two are going to have to be traded or waived as is. and we have been hearing more and more the cissoko is expected to sign a regular contract and not a two-way, meaning we have to clear out one more spot.

    lamar stevens and khem birch seem like the obvious 2. mamu probably would be the third
    Barlow is not included in that 17 (and I don't see him not making the big team), so that means that even more movement will be necessary.

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    Barlow is not included in that 17 (and I don't see him not making the big team), so that means that even more movement will be necessary.
    would guess cedi is next

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    Barlow is not included in that 17 (and I don't see him not making the big team), so that means that even more movement will be necessary.
    We can go to 18 with the 3 two-way spots.

    So we have 17 players without counting Cissoko( likely a guaranteed contract), Barlow and Rice.

    If Cissoko is guaranteed, we need to trade/cut three guys... Stevens, Birch and Bullock are the candidates imo.

    If Barlow is guaranteed, you need to cut four. I will not be surprised if we use our expiring contracts in a big trade.
    Last edited by duncan2150; 07-06-2023 at 11:29 AM.

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    Barlow is not included in that 17 (and I don't see him not making the big team), so that means that even more movement will be necessary.
    Khem and Lamar are the obvious candidates if it comes down to the waiver wire. Dominick may have to do what Bassey had to do last year and hang out on a 2way for a while until a roster spot clears later in the year. I remember many fits being had here about that.

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