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    I am for przy and againts pollard or timvps evans. Remember tim wanted olwakandi. And we all know that rasho while soft was better than what olwakandi did for tpups.

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    With Rasho and Nazr, at least they had a two-headed combo center. With Rasho now out of the way (thank god), they need to sign Pryzbilla or resign Nazr - one or the other. After which, they need to bring Javtokas as a backup big.
    eh, the two-headed center combo was whatever scrub and Duncan.

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    I am for przy and againts pollard or timvps evans. Remember tim wanted olwakandi. And we all know that rasho while soft was better than what olwakandi did for tpups.
    Dusty, timvp didn't want Olowokandi. That was GW.

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    oh sorry my bad

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    I don't really get the Spurs' logic here. Do they think Przybilla can guard Dirk? Obviously not but then why blow your wad on a guy who isn't going to play against the two toughest teams next year?

    Only way this makes sense is if Pop admits he was wrong to go to small ball and will use a center next year. If that is the case, Przybilla brings good rebounding and shotblocking to the table.

    I'm not thrilled but it's a lot better than the Spurs going after a Vlad Radmanovic or a Tim Thomas.
    I agree. We cannot go into the playoffs against Phoenix or Dallas essentially starting two centers (Duncan and Pryzbilla). The new rules have changed the way the game is played, and I worry that we would be a tad slow with Duncan starting at PF and the slow-footed Pryzbilla at C.

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    I agree. We cannot go into the playoffs against Phoenix or Dallas essentially starting two centers (Duncan and Pryzbilla). The new rules have changed the way the game is played, and I worry that we would be a tad slow with Duncan starting at PF and the slow-footed Pryzbilla at C.

    who cares about guarding dirk. a freaking guard can guard dirk. what the spurs need to worry about is guarding josh howard. spurs get in trouble when the other mavs players are scoring, not when dirk is.

    with the small ball lineup, the mavs basically had a layup drill. the heat didn't buy into that small ball bull and won four in a row against the mavs. the spurs need to stick w/ the two centers approach and not give up any layups. let the mavs shoot jumpshots and threes. they can't beat the spurs doing that.

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    No way Pryzbilla is coming to San Antonio.

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    Statistical profile of Joel Przybilla, 2005-06:
    with stats from Nazr and Rasho for comparison

    Summary:
    Height: 7'1"
    Weight: 255
    Age: 26
    Games: 56
    Minutes: 24.9

    PER: 15.32 (Nazr: 15.02, Rasho: 10.97)
    PPG: 6.1 (Nazr: 6.2, Rasho: 4.5)
    P/40: 9.9 (Nazr: 14.2, Rasho: 9.5)
    Usage rate: 11.8 (Nazr: 16.1, Rasho: 11.1)
    Net offense/100 possessions: +2.2 (Nazr: +0.8, Rasho: -3.7)
    Net defense/100 possessions: +0.0 (Nazr: +4.7, Rasho: -6.4)

    Shooting:
    FG%: 0.548 (Nazr: 0.504, Rasho: 0.515)
    3P%: 0.000 -- 1 shot in career (Nazr: 0.000, Rasho: 0.00)
    True Shooting %: 56.1 (Nazr: 56.0, Rasho: 52.1)
    FT%: 53.2 (Nazr: 66.0, Rasho: 60.0)

    Jump shooting:
    % of shots: 21% (Nazr: 36%, Rasho: 46%)
    Effective field goal %: 0.245 (Nazr: 0.380, Rasho: 0.374)

    Inside shooting:
    % of shots: 79% (Nazr: 64%, Rasho: 54%)
    Breakdown: 46% close, 27% dunk, 7% tips (Nazr: 47/12/5, Rasho: 43/4/6)
    Effective field goal %: 0.626 (Nazr: 0.575, Rasho: 0.637)

    Rebounding:
    RPG: 7.0 (Nazr: 5.2, Rasho: 3.9)
    R/40: 11.2 (Nazr: 12.0, Rasho: 8.1)
    DRB%: 18.8 (Nazr: 19.6, Rasho: 12.9)
    ORB%: 11.2 (Nazr: 12.8, Rasho: 8.4)

    Blocks:
    BPG: 2.32 (Nazr: 0.61, Rasho: 1.10)
    B/40: 3.73 (Nazr: 1.40, Rasho: 2.32)
    B%: 5.7 (Nazr: 2.2, Rasho: 3.5)
    B/Foul: 2.11 (Nazr: 0.38, Rasho: 0.69)

    Passing:
    APG: 0.8 (Nazr: 0.5, Rasho: 0.4)
    A/40: 1.2 (Nazr: 1.2, Rasho: 0.9)
    Assist/Bad Pass: 2.2 (Nazr: 2.2, Rasho: 1.5)

    Turnovers:
    TPG: 1.36 (Nazr: 1.16, Rasho: 0.66)
    TO Ratio: 17.9 (Nazr: 15.9, Rasho: 12.2)
    Hands rating (82games): 4.5 (Nazr: 5.5, Rasho: 5.3)

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    Doesn't it blow supreme ass that Pop never once tried a center in an entire Dallas game, thereby making all arguments stand on semisolid ground?


    None of us really know how any center we sign will fare against dallas as a whole.

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    I just don't think it is prudent to tie up money for 5 years on Przybilla. Within a year or two, we will be back to trying to trade an overpaid, underutilized center.

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    eh, "slow moving"? They're usually fairly quick when they know what they want. And fairly decisive too. Pop was in freakin' Slovenia on Radoslav's doorstep on the 1st day of free agency 2003 with a 6 year, $42 mil offer.
    I should have been more clear- I don't mean that they are slow-moving in terms of their initial interest in players. What I mean is that they are slow-moving through the process of FA. They will focus on a specific player, waiting around while others get snagged up, and by the time they get around to the "lower" players on the list, many are gone. Two years ago Brent was about an hour away from signing a deal when the Spurs finally got back to him. Now, some people might wish they had missed him altogether, but it makes my point. The Spurs think players will wait around for them during this process, but they won't.

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    I should have been more clear- I don't mean that they are slow-moving in terms of their initial interest in players. What I mean is that they are slow-moving through the process of FA. They will focus on a specific player, waiting around while others get snagged up, and by the time they get around to the "lower" players on the list, many are gone. Two years ago Brent was about an hour away from signing a deal when the Spurs finally got back to him. Now, some people might wish they had missed him altogether, but it makes my point. The Spurs think players will wait around for them during this process, but they won't.
    They have been proactive in their dealings with free agents as I've seen over the last decade. WRT Barry, that was simply getting back with the final offer to him. They had definitely been in touch with him during the process.

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    who cares about guarding dirk. a freaking guard can guard dirk. what the spurs need to worry about is guarding josh howard. spurs get in trouble when the other mavs players are scoring, not when dirk is.

    with the small ball lineup, the mavs basically had a layup drill. the heat didn't buy into that small ball bull and won four in a row against the mavs. the spurs need to stick w/ the two centers approach and not give up any layups. let the mavs shoot jumpshots and threes. they can't beat the spurs doing that.
    Yeah, Bowen usually does a great job on Nowitzski. However, do we end up having our starting center guarding the Mav's SF/SG's? As much as I hate Dallas, their team is a heck of a lot quicker and can match our size as well. Duncan is also 30, and we can't expect him to play PF much longer.

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    Joel is good

    Ian will be here next year
    hopefully he can guard dirk

    dirk was not the reason spurs lost
    it was howard
    The Spurs beat themselves. Howard wasn't great. Dirk wasn't great. The Spurs definitely were not great. Nagging injuries to Manu and TP and small ball madness did us in. Nothing more, nothing less.

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    Horry not being able to give us meaningful minutes guarding Dirk was one of the single greatest reasons for our loss. Had Horry been able to give us what we expected maybe Pop wouldn't have lost his mind with the smallball madness.

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    the "logic" is WE'RE NOT A DAMN SMALLBALL TEAM.

    We should've let Dirk get 50 a night and shut down everyone else and just absolutely cut off their penetration with Tim and Rasho. Make them a complete jump shot team. Even if they're open, they'd still be jump shots. No lay ups, no free throws.

    And with two bigs on the other end, it would've freed Rasho to set screens at the free throw line for Manu or Tony and still have Tim as a kick out option near the basket instead of Tim being the guy setting the screens and the only kickouts being the 3 point corners.

    I'm sick and tired of Pop's nice guy chameleon team routine where we always play to the style of whoever we're facing. Why can't we dictate OUR style to other people?

    Even the one month when Nazr was on fire, he destroyed the Suns with 30 points and it didn't seem to matter when we played them with two bigs that night. We simply crushed them inside and got all the rebounds.

    The whole history of basketball college and pro has been built on the team with the best inside players win. Now all of a sudden some flash in the pan teams are making it sound like big players are a liability. Don't buy it.
    The rules have changed. Unless your Bruce Bowen, you really can't guard the perimeter anymore. Even Bruce was getting called for fouls he would never draw two years ago and he moves his feet better than anyone in the league. If you watch the Finals again, the Mavs played off of Dwyane Wade yet he still got to the line 15-20 times a game.

    If you let Dirk shoot open jumpers, he won't score 50. He would score 75-80. He's that good from the outside. For TD or the other big to guard Dirk without getting into foul trouble, they would basically have to wait for him to jump into his shooting motion before challenging the shot. If you give Dirk a game of horse the entire game, you will lose.

    I don't think Pop is being "a nice guy" playing to the opponents style. To the contrary, I think he does what he does to attack the opponent's strength. He's being aggressive and dictating to the offense to do things they are not accustomed. I think he was the first coach to run the Suns off the three point line because he knew they relied on the three point shot to keep Nash fresh. Closing out on the three point shooters forced the Suns to make the extra pass and made them use clock and energy.

    Against most teams, the Spurs can play big and play Spurs Basketball. But to get back to the Finals, we will have to get through Phoenix and Dallas which means small ball.

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    The Spurs need an old-fashioned center vs. Yao or Shaq, otherwise you need a PF or tweener with rebounding and quickness. If you can't find that, then I would agree with Sparky and timvp to go cheap with Pollard or Evans or some other halfway decent rebounder, but not much else. There's always the chance that Oberto will make enough of an improvement to fit in better and another chance that Horry will be able to come through one more time.

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    RASHO+AGRESSIVENESS-EMOTIONAL SENSITIVITY+THE ABILITY/DESIRE TO DUNK= ALL WE ING NEED!

    It's not that difficult an equation. This guy was what Pop wanted all along, minus the little perk of being able to at his white center in Slovenian.

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    There was nothing aggressive or dictating about us trying to go small and match up with Dallas, give me a break Gunslinger.

    To me, the news that the Spurs are after Pryz is a good sign, it means our coaches realized that small ball is not the future they thought it was in May.

    And that's a good thing. Joel gives you a shot blocker and rebounder inside who can put up some great numbers for you.

    As to the Dirk equation, 75-80 points? Give me a break. He had the game of his life in the WCF and got to 50. The key to taking down Dallas isn't stopping Dirk, it's stopping Terry and Harris from their layup fest that they had going on all series with us.

    You do that with quickness on the perimeter (where a JR Smith signing would come handy) and better interior D. Pryz gives you the latter. Let Dirk get his, lock down the rest of the Mavs, and you win.

    It worked two years ago against Phoenix (Amare with 40 PPG), and it will work against Dallas.

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    To me, the news that the Spurs are after Pryz is a good sign, it means our coaches realized that small ball is not the future they thought it was in May.
    They went through an entire seven game series and didn't realize it. I wouldn't get my hopes up.

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    They went through an entire seven game series and didn't realize it. I wouldn't get my hopes up.
    Even if he came here, the Spurs would play him during the regular season- to take the primary defensive responsibility off Tim and keep Horry from playing too much- and then sit him in the play-offs. Sound familiar?

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    I just don't think it is prudent to tie up money for 5 years on Przybilla. Within a year or two, we will be back to trying to trade an overpaid, underutilized center.
    Agree Do not lock up a marginal player long term.

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    There was nothing aggressive or dictating about us trying to go small and match up with Dallas, give me a break Gunslinger.

    To me, the news that the Spurs are after Pryz is a good sign, it means our coaches realized that small ball is not the future they thought it was in May.

    And that's a good thing. Joel gives you a shot blocker and rebounder inside who can put up some great numbers for you.

    As to the Dirk equation, 75-80 points? Give me a break. He had the game of his life in the WCF and got to 50. The key to taking down Dallas isn't stopping Dirk, it's stopping Terry and Harris from their layup fest that they had going on all series with us.

    You do that with quickness on the perimeter (where a JR Smith signing would come handy) and better interior D. Pryz gives you the latter. Let Dirk get his, lock down the rest of the Mavs, and you win.

    It worked two years ago against Phoenix (Amare with 40 PPG), and it will work against Dallas.
    Yes but the spurs need a big defensive stopper (Like Robinson)that warrants respect. Is Pryzbilla the answer? He does not have the quickness (footwork) or hops to be intimidating. I see players driving right past him. So his effectiveness will be nullified and he won't be an intimidator.

    Robinson would rotate off his man and force the penetrator back outside. Robinson was an intimidator and defensive force.

    Quickness is important for intimidation not only size.

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    They went through an entire seven game series and didn't realize it. I wouldn't get my hopes up.
    Pop has always had an inability to adjust during series, and has often adjusted to 'the problem' in the off-season.

    He's actually pretty good about post-haste analysis and realizing the problems and what to do to fix them, just not adjusting on the fly during a series.

    That, and it probably didn't hurt that Miami punked Dallas without going small. I'm sure he was watching that as well.

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    Pop has always had an inability to adjust during series, and has often adjusted to 'the problem' in the off-season.

    He's actually pretty good about post-haste analysis and realizing the problems and what to do to fix them, just not adjusting on the fly during a series.

    That, and it probably didn't hurt that Miami punked Dallas without going small. I'm sure he was watching that as well.
    I know it was about the contract, but we traded away a better defender than Przybilla. Just because he blocks some shots does not make him a good defender. He is one of those guys who goes for every block- leaving his man wide open for the dump off and the easy bucket. He also is not too bright-- I am not sure who has the lower basketball IQ- Przy or Nazr. The perimeter players grew accustomed to having a center who knew where to be-- those days are gone.

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