Francisco Elson: Will the Nuggets Match?

[furry_spurry]

I still do not understand the notion that Duncan could not cover Dirk- at least to start the game and set the defensive tone with two big men. A defender of Tim's calliber can't keep himself out of foul trouble and take on the toughest guy to defend on the opponent? That is still to this day the question that I want answered.

[Please_dont_ban_me]

Elson and Eisley to Chicago for JR Smith...KSAT reporting it.

[ducks]

Wrong

[Sandman52]

How can you trade a RFA?

[Bruno]

Not really. They both shot between 34-38% on jumpers their whole career. Last season, Elson bumped that up to 42%. Career-wise, they are about the same.

Last season : Elson 43.4%, Rasho 37.4%.
Playing with Duncan will help Elson to have a better %.
Carreer stats make no sense foe a player who is in the league since 3 years.

10-12 points a game? A season?

First of all he won't hit 50%. Second of all, it's proven in the Spurs' system that a center with a midrange jumper doesn't get more than 1 or 2 of those shots a game. At most, the threat of being able to hit a wide open 15 footer is what counts.

I've said that he will score 10-12 points if they let him open. Elson will never be a scoring contributor but the fact that he is able to hit midrange jumpers will help Duncan.

Duncan will also be there to pick up fouls. Nazr was a good man-to-man defender but a poor team defender. In the end, his poor team defense made Spurs fans and Pop want to kill him.

The Spurs' defense is built on team defense. If you can't rotate well, you won't play.

I rather have a good man to man defender than a good team defender : the big who plays with Duncan will defend the best opposite PF/C.

Nazr and Raso's rebounding rates stayed pretty much the same. Perhaps Elson all of a sudden becomes a better rebounder than Rasho, but that is just hope.

Rasho has raised his rebounding numbers by 20%. If Elson can average 12 rebounds/48min, I will be fine with that.

Yeah, we'll see I guess. I must warn you that timvp is rarely wrong when it comes to pointing out bad free agent signings

I don't fear timvp, he is way overrated

[Please_dont_ban_me]

How can you trade a RFA?

I guess they would have to match first, then trade him.

[timvp]

Last season : Elson 43.4%, Rasho 37.4%.
Playing with Duncan will help Elson to have a better %.
Carreer stats make no sense foe a player who is in the league since 3 years.

Rasho averaged less than two jumpers per game last year. He scored less than 1.5 points per game on jumpers. Even if he had shot as well as Francisco "Reggie Miller" Elson, he would have averaged 1.6 points on jumpers.

That .2 points per game should come in handy.

I've said that he will score 10-12 points if they let him open. Elson will never be a scoring contributor but the fact that he is able to hit midrange jumpers will help Duncan.

10-12 points how often? Per game? Per month? Rasho scored 10-12 points on jumpers too.

Every 10 games.

I rather have a good man to man defender than a good team defender : the big who plays with Duncan will defend the best opposite PF/C.

Are you serious?

You'd rather have a Nazr Mohammed type defender than a Rasho Nesterovic type defender? Rasho couldn't score, rebound or do much of anything but his defense was nice.

I don't think many people would pick Nazr over Rasho in terms of defense.

Rasho has raised his rebounding numbers by 20%. If Elson can average 12 rebounds/48min, I will be fine with that.

Rasho raised his rebounding numbers ... and then they fell to an all-time new low. Like you said, last year counts more

I don't fear timvp, he is way overrated

Sincerely,

All the Spurs fans in the summer of 2003 who told timvp that Rasho was a great signing. Or that Nazr was Baby Hakeem and would average 10-10. Or that James Thomas was Dennis Rodman.

[Please_dont_ban_me]

Rasho also passed up many open jumpers.

[Bruno]

Rasho averaged less than two jumpers per game last year. He scored less than 1.5 points per game on jumpers. Even if he had shot as well as Francisco "Reggie Miller" Elson, he would have averaged 1.6 points on jumpers.

That .2 points per game should come in handy.

It's not about the amount of points scored, it's about the threat for the opposite team. Teams will let Elson less open than Rashoor Nazr and it's a good thinh for Duncan.

10-12 points how often? Per game? Per month? Rasho scored 10-12 points on jumpers too.

Every 10 games.

How often ? If they let him wide open, quite often.

Are you serious?

You'd rather have a Nazr Mohammed type defender than a Rasho Nesterovic type defender? Rasho couldn't score, rebound or do much of anything but his defense was nice.

I don't think many people would pick Nazr over Rasho in terms of defense.

Are you serious ?
Rasho was too a good man to man defender. Bad comparaison.
I think too that Elson with a training camp will be a better team defender than Mohammed without a training camp.

Rasho raised his rebounding numbers ... and then they fell to an all-time new low. Like you said, last year counts more

If Elson can be an average rebounders for his two first (and only) years with Spurs, I will be fine with that.

Sincerely,

All the Spurs fans in the summer of 2003 who told timvp that Rasho was a great signing. Or that Nazr was Baby Hakeem and would average 10-10. Or that James Thomas was Dennis Rodman.

Sincerely,
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[timvp]

It's not about the amount of points scored, it's about the threat for the opposite team. Teams will let Elson less open than Rashoor Nazr and it's a good thinh for Duncan.

You stole my line. That's what I said.

It's the threat that counts. Teams stayed on Nazr and Rasho because in theory they could hit jumpers.

How often ? If they let him wide open, quite often.

Nice dancing.

Impressive

Are you serious ?
Rasho was too a good man to man defender. Bad comparaison.
I think too that Elson with a training camp will be a better team defender than Mohammed without a training camp.

Pop soured on Rasho because of his poor rebounding and his poor man-to-man defense. Rasho, for some unknown reason, would get abused in one-on-one situations by the rim. Players would just go up right through him.

So actually, it was a nice analogy.

If Elson can be an average rebounders for his two first (and only) years with Spurs, I will be fine with that.

Only last year counts.

A wise man once told me that.

Sincerely,
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21891

Hey, we both said he had to get more aggressive. I just threw in a French joke along the way.

No offense, of course.

[Bruno]

You stole my line. That's what I said.

It's the threat that counts. Teams stayed on Nazr and Rasho because in theory they could hit jumpers.

Because my line and your line was the same.
My line was : "Let him open at 16-18ft and he will hit more than 50% of his jumpshoot and score 10-12pts."

I have never said that Elson will score 10-12pts if he isn't open.

Pop soured on Rasho because of his poor rebounding and his poor man-to-man defense. Rasho, for some unknown reason, would get abused in one-on-one situations by the rim. Players would just go up right through him.

So actually, it was a nice analogy.

Rasho was a way better man to man defender than Nazr was a team defender.
It's like saying that slashers are better than jumpshooters in nba today and taking Dwayne Wade as slasher example and Brent Barry as jumpshooter example.

Only last year counts.

A wise man once told me that.

So Spurs will against Mavs forever.

Hey, we both said he had to get more aggressive. I just threw in a French joke along the way.

No offense, of course.

No offense, of course.
You called him the most passive players, it's quite different.
You are sometimes wrong, it's not because the great timvp say something that it will happen.

[Gino20]

You specifically said he would get to play in the play-offs when Rasho and Nazr did not-- that means he could play against Dallas- How?

Ok, well who else can guard Dirk then? If you are willing to throw Duncan in there, expect him to be fouled out by the 3rd quarter. Bowen did as good as he can. However, his size was a factor. From the looks of things, Elson and E Will will have to share the load if they are both on the roster. Horry cannot guard Dirk either. Oh yeah, how do you even know we will play Dallas in the playoffs? Dirk is a concern, but he is not the only guy on the roster that gave us a hard time. Ummmm.....there was Terry and Howard. Lets focus on the team.

[furry_spurry]

^YOU are the one who said the benefit of Elson is that he would have played in the playoffs when Nazr and Rasho didn't. No way he would have played against Dallas either. Pop would use Oberto on Dirk before Elson.

[furry_spurry]

Rasho, for some unknown reason, would get abused in one-on-one situations by the rim. Players would just go up right through him.

Probably because he spent most of last season covering power forwards- who are quicker and more athletic.

[furry_spurry]

Elson and Eisley to Chicago for JR Smith...KSAT reporting it.

JR Smith for Eisley and two picks.

[timvp]

Probably because he spent most of last season covering power forwards- who are quicker and more athletic.

It could be anyone from point guards to centers. By the end of his time with the Spurs, players would go right thru him and score at the rim. The only shot blocks he was getting were help defense.

[TDMVPDPOY]

how can they trade elson to bulls when his already sign an offer sheet with us, unless all parties to the table has agree to rescind the contract

[timvp]

Elson isn't being traded. PDBM was just confused.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

that's a first

[Please_dont_ban_me]

Any updates on the Nuggets matching?

[NuGGeTs-FaN]

an insider mentioned that at the moment they aren't likely to match coz they have some big trades on the table and are sure one of them will go down shortly. They cant divulge any more info but thats what we are hearing at the moment.

[ro_50]

I dont see the Nuggets matching for Elson.

[timvp]

I dont see the Nuggets matching for Elson.

I don't think any team in the league would match for half of that.

[NuGGeTs-FaN]

its funny seeing you guys get so upset coz i like Frankie and am so happy that he is getting paid

Id be happy if the Nuggets match. Even as a Spur id be happy for him

[Jekka]

Because the Nuggets did not break the bank for a shooting guard, they might keep Elson. Nuggets director of player personnel Mark Warkentien wouldn't comment on Smith and how the trade might affect Elson, while Elson's agent, Calvin Andrews, said he had no update.

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