What he means is...Bowen is making only $3.75 mil this year..since salaries have to match up the players that we would get for him would be low priced players as well..Bowen is one of the biggest bargains in the NBA & the value we would get for him in trade is lower than the value of him staying on the team.
Travis outlaw the more realistic name i've seen out there he blocks 1.5 shots per game yougne tall athletic with some works could get soe rebounds in a small ball line-up could come in handy i like juan dixon and prizbilla too but the first can't pass could pop learn him? pryz contracts not that good i heard and against the mavs or suns i don't know if he woul be very usefuk
For Spurs, he is one of the key (the other is Duncan) of Spurs defense, a player who knows perfectly what he should do on the court and a model citizen.
For the other teams, he is a great defender but he is too very old and very limited on the offenseive end.
If Spurs decided to trade Bowen, they would get in return a player that would be way less usefull for them than Bowen.
It seems like Matt Barnes has fallen out of the rotation of the Warriors. Mabye there is a good chance of getting him cheap...
there were some predictions, that this will happen.
Barnes would definitly help right now. his offense is inconsistent, but his rebounding and hustling will be what the Spurs are asking for anyhow.
I would love to see a bigger trade.
Beno + Williams for Barnes + Jasikevicius.
Saras can't be part of a package, but they could do two seperate trades:
Jasikevicius for Williams (+2nd round pick)
Beno for Barnes
is there a rule that forbids this? (like two trades of the same teams within a certain time span or so.)
Barnes would be a huge upgrade over Williams and Saras over Beno.
Warriors might do it to save money (the 3rd year of Saras contract at 4 million, they have to get some cap space to be able to resign Pietrus without paying lux tax) and if they can get some teasers (2nd rounders or rights).
I read that Nelson will have problems with Saras and his stand-still shooting. something that would be a better fit with the Spurs anyhow.
Last night :
Duhon : DNP CD
Arroyo : DNP CD
Mhm...Duhon+Khryapa for...
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The Spurs have three quality starters, so the issue is really about putting high energy reserves around these guys.
I like Daniels, Najera and Foster. All play hard and would give our bench the muscle needed to keep in the game. I would trade anyone from the bench except Barry to get those three.
yeah I also noticed that he didn't play last night which is strange because he played 30 + minutes in the previous game
I sort of hope he did fall out of the rotation and was the odd man out; hopefully somehow the spurs can pick him up, he is exactly what the spurs need
I suggested this on another thread. I think it would work as Isiah always has the motto that if he gets the best player in the deal he will do it. Here's who he gets an all star.
David Lee plus Jamal Crawford for Manu.
I like David Lee and while Crawford has a big contract and has questionable shot selection, both are energy guys. Manu also has a pretty big contract and would be difficult to move later. Lee is a grinder and can rebound and score some. Crawford and put up 20 a night and can handle the ball as well. Crawford is also pretty clutch and is 3 years younger than Manu. Lee can also be our long 3.
I personally would like to pull this off.
How about Carlos Arroyo as the backup pg? He had some good games while with Utah and can be a good backup.
I think it is very unlikely that the Spurs will trade one of the big 3... unless it is a deal they can't reject.
What do you think would the Bulls want for a Khryapa/ Duhon package?
Khryapa is a long SF who is a decent rebounder (his rebounding numbers looked pretty good when he got minutes in the preseason) and he is pretty young.
It think they might be interested in Barry but who else would it take?
Bowen is old now. We needed someone this year to groom for his spot. We waited a year too long IMO.
We also need a young athletic center next to Timmy (anyone know what happened to the project from France, Ian Mahinmi (sp)?)
Some better defenders off the bench would be great as well. I was never high on Finley for that reason. He's all offense. You see how his game suffers when he has to play defense........
Beno disappoints to no end. Tons of talent and you can see it, every so often. Thats the problem...... every so often. They need consistency off the bench at the point because Tony is more than capable of throwing up a goose-egg on occasion.
Good fits are there position wise. I just don't know about the economics of the situation.
I thought you hated him.
Ridiculous,They shoulnīt trade non of the big three,If you do that wait 15 years to win another championship.I donīt like parker being Iversonīs clone this year,but still shoulnīt trade him,or manu or timmy,for nothing.
I īd defenetly trade a beno,finley pakage for a decent forward,but thatīs about it
Lee is one of the most overrated player in the league.
i see your point,but you canīt just throw away a teamīs foundation just like that,There are teams like the Knicks who have been trying to build a team foundation for years,but the can,samething the many teams in the league.
Did you realize that these three guys have been playing together for 5 years now??check the stats and see how many reg seasons games they played together and how maney the won+all the playoffs games and two NBA tles,thats too much to give away for a couple of guys who are just some good promesses.
get rid of averybody else if you want to,but donīt touch the team foundation.
Carlos Arroyo had his second DNP in the last three Magic games and appears to be replaced by Travis Diener in the backup PG role. There's also news that the Magic are looking to move Fran Vasquez, their lottery pick from '05 that snubbed them and went to play in the Euroleague, and are looking for more shooting or a big. So here's two deals that could work:
1) Williams straight up for Arroyo
2) Barry for Arroyo + Rights to Fran Vasquez
What do you think?
Najera would be a VERY GOOD addition as he can play hard-nosed defence against Josh Howard and even Dirk Nowitzki. He can also rebound and is an all-around winner/hustle player. Foster is a great offensive rebounder and is also a perfect fit for Spurs.
We need to address rebounding and small forward deficit so between the two, Najera is probably a better fit as he can play different roles whereas Foster is strictly a garbage pick-up guy with great rebounding skills.
Vasquez looks like a solid pick despite the fact that he has been unwilling to come over to the NBA. Before the team makes any trades to bring over an international player they need to have some discussions with the guy to ensure that he will be in uniform.
Apparently, Vasquez turned down the spot on the magic because he didn't want to be "Dwight Howard's career backup". Surely he wouldn't want to be behind Duncan either then. Do we think he could be a starting center-type of guy?
Read a little more into the Magic trade rumors and apparently they're looking for inside help....so here's one more.
Barry + Butler (+ pick?) for Arroyo + Trevor Ariza + Rights to Fran Vasquez
The Magic get a shooter and another inside presence....
The Spurs get the backup PG, the long three, and a replacement for Butler in the long-term.
If you plan to get value for value in a trade to upgrade the team, then you have to give up something of value. I don't think we trade our core of All-stars--TD, Manu or TP-- so who does that leave that has any real value to another team? Bowen is an all-Pro and not a bad value to a team looking for defense.
I was surprised to see that Bowen was only getting 3.75 million. Damn, that's a cheap contract. The cost, even when projected over the remainder of his career (with raises) should be attractive to someone. Add another player as a sweetener and payroll equalizer and you'd think someone out there would be interested if they have a player they need to move.
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Bowen is 35.
he is a typical system player, other teams will ask twice if he could ever make as much of an impact in a different system and they will ask if it makes sense to work an old player into the new system.
if he fails to integrate, he is close to worthless.
considering, that his offense is very limited, the 3.7 million he makes isn't a bargain. it's not exorbitant either, but most teams will think if they can't get his production for less money.
but all in all I would think that Bowen won't ever be as valueable for another team, as he is for the Spurs, even if age has slowed him a bit. so we will always lose more than we can win in a trade.
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