WTC Steel Beams Found

[Extra Stout]

People, it's mouse. He believes in 9/11 conspiracy theories just like he is a huge Dallas Mavericks fan. Stop arguing with him.

[101A]

Or, rather than believe the shills in this thread, you can listen to the words of a pilot who witnessed the whole thing:

Tim Timmerman : Pilot. I was looking out the window; I live on the 16th floor, overlooking the Pentagon, in a corner apartment, so I have quite a panorama. And being next to National Airport, I hear jets all the time, but this jet engine was way too loud. I looked out to the southwest, and it came right down 395, right over Colombia Pike, and as is went by the Sheraton Hotel, the pilot added power to the engines. I heard it pull up a little bit more, and then I lost it behind a building. And then it came out, and I saw it hit right in front of -- it didn't appear to crash into the building; most of the energy was dissipated in hitting the ground, but I saw the nose break up, I saw the wings fly forward, and then the conflagration engulfed everything in flames. It was horrible. It was a Boeing 757, American Airlines, no question. It was so close to me it was like looking out my window and looking at a helicopter. It was just right there. (We were told that it was flying so low that it clipped off a couple of light poles as it was coming in) That might have happened behind the apartments that occluded my view. And when it reappeared, it was right before impact, and like I said, it was right before impact, and I saw the airplane just disintegrate and blow up into a huge ball of flames. And the building shook, and it was quite a tremendous explosion. I noticed the fire trucks and the responses was just wonderful. Fire trucks were there quickly. I saw the area; the building didn't look very damaged initially, but I do see now, looking out my window, there's quite a chunk in it. But I think the blessing here might have been that the airplane hit before it hit the building, it hit the ground, and a lot of energy might have gone that way. That's what it appeared like.

Or is Tim Timmerman not credible?

[101A]

People, it's mouse. He believes in 9/11 conspiracy theories just like he is a huge Dallas Mavericks fan. Stop arguing with him.

I know he's not a Mavericks fan; didn't know he was a Tin-Hat impostor as well, damn....

[=RTM=]

So...

Why did "they" use a passenger aircraft for the WTC, but cruise missiles for the Pentagon.

Could it be that we all saw the planes hit the WTC on the Today show, so the theorists can't dispute that. If THAT video weren't available, there would no doubt be a large drone of people stating that the planes didn't hit the WTC, right?

Where is that flight, anyway? What happened to the plane and people.

Landed somewhere else and summarily executed?
Any hypothesis at all?

Or can you just enlighten as to what DIDN'T happen?

Why don't you come up with a theory and we'll all shoot holes in it.

What part of I only want to talk to Adults who have seen the movie In plane sight do you not understand? I have questions about the film. We can go in circles all day. Why Did God Pick Noah to build the Ark when there was others who new more about boat building,

Why Did Bush Invade Iraq and Not Iran? Why does Kori have a Kings forum and not a Mavs forum?

Just watch the movie and get back to me , and save your comments for others who want to have mini smack offs,

[Spurminator]

Wait, so The Power Hour is a conspiracy video?

I had always assumed it was an infomercial for some kind of diet or exercise routine...

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Or, rather than believe the shills in this thread, you can listen to the words of a pilot who witnessed the whole thing:


Or is Tim Timmerman not credible?

Tim Timmerman : Pilot. I was looking out the window; I live on the 16th floor, overlooking the Pentagon, in a corner apartment, so I have quite a panorama. And being next to National Airport, I hear jets all the time, but this jet engine was way too loud. I looked out to the southwest, and it came right down 395, right over Colombia Pike, and as is went by the Sheraton Hotel, the pilot added power to the engines. I heard it pull up a little bit more, and then I lost it behind a building. And then it came out, and I saw it hit right in front of -- it didn't appear to crash into the building; most of the energy was dissipated in hitting the ground, but I saw the nose break up, I saw the wings fly forward, and then the conflagration engulfed everything in flames. It was horrible. It was a Boeing 757, American Airlines, no question. It was so close to me it was like looking out my window and looking at a helicopter. It was just right there. (We were told that it was flying so low that it clipped off a couple of light poles as it was coming in) That might have happened behind the apartments that occluded my view. And when it reappeared, it was right before impact, and like I said, it was right before impact, and I saw the airplane just disintegrate and blow up into a huge ball of flames. And the building shook, and it was quite a tremendous explosion. I noticed the fire trucks and the responses was just wonderful. Fire trucks were there quickly. I saw the area; the building didn't look very damaged initially, but I do see now, looking out my window, there's quite a chunk in it. But I think the blessing here might have been that the airplane hit before it hit the building, it hit the ground, and a lot of energy might have gone that way. That's what it appeared like.




this was one point. i don't see the lawn scorched at all. i see the downed street light, but no markings following it.

[whottt]

Why Did Bush Invade Iraq and Not Iran?

Because Iraq was weaker, because the sanctions were doing nothing to Saddam and killing the people, a key point of Usama's recruiting platform...because oh yeah, he had kicked the weapons inspectors out for some 4 years and everyone from Hans Blix to Jacques ChIRAQ, were saying he had them...and at the least, it's been agreed upon that Saddam himself was trying to give that impression...

Me personally? I'm still not convinced...I mean he only had 3 months to get rid of whatever he had...he gave his Airforce to Iran in the Persian Gulf War...

Because Saddam had violated UN resolutions as well as the cease fire signed at the end of the Persian Gulf war, about 200 times since 1991.



So wait...go into Iran first then if Saddam decides he wants to get happy again we have to deal with Iran as well as Saddam?

That's making a weak target strong.

Take Saddam out put bases in Iraq, and Afghanistan...and you are much better position to kick the out of Iran, or put enough pressure on them to where the government could soften without the need of invasion.




Damn...how hard is to figure out.

Why does Kori have a Kings forum and not a Mavs forum?

Because the Mavs are still on a probationary period?

They didn't exactly make a great impresion when they arrived...

[Nbadan]

Almost 9 pages and not one person who has actually seen In Plane sight has made any comment worth reading. You don't see me talking about the movie broke back mountain if I never really saw the movie do you?

All I see in here is real people asking real questions and they are getting piled on by a bunch of lame wannabe comedians.

If anyone over the age of 16 has seen the movie In plane sight and wants to have a legit debate? feel free to PM me.

In plane sight and HBO's, Loose Change have been debunked, but I can go through the mechanics if you'd like.

[whottt]

My questions for you...

How is Oil Traded? In particular OPEC Oil? How does that market work?

What were the countries/companies inline to redevlop Iraq's Oil Fields after sanctions were lifted?

If we wanted to control it all for ourselves...why did we first try to do it through UN Resolutions instead of unilateral action, which by the way we had legal recourse under any cir stance due to Saddam's repeated violations of the cease fire including firingt on US and British planes enforcing the no fly zone.


Oh I don't have a doubt Oil is a concern...not just for us, but for just about every country in the world that has a major petroleum industry...what I don't understand is why you think the US had intentions to replace Saddam with a ter government and make living conditions worse...


In what way does that benefit us? Internally, politically, what do we have to gain by installing Saddam part deux in Iraq?

Did we do that after WWI? WWII? Korea?

Based on what do you draw that conclusion...

I hear that alleged often, usually by liberals and Europeans...

Go take a look at the places with the lowest quality of life and most political instability, you will find Europe's colonial footprint in every one of them. Not ours.

WWI and WWII were also for control of Mid East Oil and territory...what countries started those wars?

Etc.

[whottt]

One other question...how much Oil do Germany and France have? The go take a look at the mid-east activity in WW's I and II, then go look at who all of a sudden we are supposed to turn to and ask for guidance? And who jusy so happened to be opposing us, at who is alleged to have been giving Saddam WMD making materials in the Dueffler Report in violation of Un Sanctions...go look at who the guilty parties are in the OFF scandal...go look at who opposed us in removing Saddam.

What a bunch of nutcases...

I want someone to explain to me why we are all of sudden less trustworthy and altrusistic than France Germany and Russia.

Explain it to me please.

Our Govt is 1000 times more transparent than any of those countries, as well as the Middle Eastern ones...you fools think they don't have dirty laundry that makes our look pristine?

Just because we drag ours out there ourselves doesn't mean the rest of those snotty ass elitist aristocratic es don't have their own fair share which doesn't get drug out..

[johnsmith]

And to think I am called the troll?

You are a troll. And a ing ugly one at that. I've seen the pictures on the GTG threads, you have to be the goofiest looking mother er I've ever seen in my life.

[=RTM=]

It's Obvious any Links,quotes.pics,or info I find is all tin hat material , But yet anything the rest of you post is Gold?

I will be back when I can find a non bias's open minded audience,

As for all the so called debunking? why not e mail the Power hour and let them know of this earth shattering Info you have so they can re-do their website?

I'm sure they are looking for answers also. If any of you saw the Movie you would know that by now,

From this point on I will reply to only those who have actually seen the film.
The rest of you guys can argue with yourselves with pointless Scenarios.




911 IN PLANE SITE:

Why were America and the world never shown the video and photographs of the Pentagon, BEFORE the outer wall had collapsed showing only one 16 ft. hole. Many people do not realize that the outer wall did not collapse until almost 30 minutes after the initial impact. See these astonishing photographs and video footage for the first time.

Given that the outer wall of the Pentagon had not yet collapsed and the only hole is approximately 16 ft. in diameter - how does a jetliner over 44 feet tall and 125 ft. wide fit into that hole as shown in the crystal-clear and close-up photographic evidence from the Pentagon? Furthermore, can physics explain why there is no damage to the Pentagon's upper floors where the tail section would have hit?

“I heard a very loud, quick whooshing sound. I was convinced it was a missile. It came in so fast – it sounded nothing like an airplane.” Lon Rains - editor for Space News (Pentagon eyewitness)

In the aftermath, it was reported by media sources that a giant 100 ft. crater was plowed into the front lawn of the Pentagon as the result of a powerful airliner crash? Why does photographic evidence overwhelmingly show that this was absolutely not the case? Why no crater? Why no skid marks? Why no burn marks? Why was the entire world deliberately mislead? Examine the video and photographic evidence for yourself.

How does a Boeing 757, constructed from lightweight aluminum, penetrate over 9 ft. of steel reinforced concrete? Photographs and recently discovered computer animations help shed light on this unexplained feat of physics.


At the World Trade Center, why did firefighters, reporters and other on the scene eyewitnesses describe a demolition-like, pancake collapse of buildings One, Two & Seven? Hear the outrageous admissions made by the building lease owner recorded on video, plus shocking new video evidence helps to answer some of these important questions.

What is the bright flash on the right side of the Boeing 767, seen just before impact on both the North Tower & the South Tower, captured on video by 5 separate cameramen including CNN and ABC? Slow motion analysis reveals startling verification of this extraordinary event and begs the question, "What is it?"
Find out what former military personnel think this could be.

Why were there numerous reports of bombs & explosions going off in and around the WTC before any buildings had collapsed? Hear & see the testimony of the reporters, rescue teams and eyewitnesses who tell a different story of potential demolition charges, unexplained explosions, and vehicles loaded with explosives as reported on live television the morning of Sept. 11, 2001.

Why did a FOX News employee, who witnessed the second tower attack, report seeing no windows on “Flight 175” a commercial United Airlines jetliner? Why did another eyewitness report that United Airlines Flight 175 was not a commercial airliner? What kind of plane hit the second tower?

Is there some type of exterior swelling protruding from the undercarriage of “Flight 175” ? An independently conducted computerized digital analysis says yes. Where was this "instrument" attached? How could it have departed from a commercial airport without being noticed? What purpose did it serve in the attacks? Full-screen television blow-ups directly from CNN and other mainstream sources reveal the intricate details of this strange anomaly.

[johnsmith]

It's Obvious any Links,quotes.pics,or info I find is all tin hat material , But yet anything the rest of you post is Gold?

I will be back when I can find a non bias's open minded audience,

As for all the so called debunking? why not e mail the Power hour and let them know of this earth shattering Info you have so they can re-do their website?

I'm sure they are looking ofr answers also. If any of you saw the Movie you would know that by now,

From this point on I will reply to only those who have actually seen the film.
The rest of you guys can argue with yourselves with pointless Scenarios.

Or you could create yet another user name and prove once again what a huge bag you are.

[dirk4mvp.]

what a huge bag you are.

This sums up the politics forum in a nut s .

Kori can we have an age limit?

[johnsmith]

This sums up the politics forum in a nut s .

Kori can we have an age limit?

Well, then don't troll the political forum and there won't be anymore of this. Jesus Mouse, get a life. Spend less time on the internet and more on polishing your act so funnier people then you don't steal your stuff.

[101A]

It's Obvious any Links,quotes.pics,or info I find is all tin hat material , But yet anything the rest of you post is Gold?

I will be back when I can find a non bias's open minded audience,

As for all the so called debunking? why not e mail the Power hour and let them know of this earth shattering Info you have so they can re-do their website?

I'm sure they are looking for answers also. If any of you saw the Movie you would know that by now,

From this point on I will reply to only those who have actually seen the film.
The rest of you guys can argue with yourselves with pointless Scenarios.




911 IN PLANE SITE:

Why were America and the world never shown the video and photographs of the Pentagon, BEFORE the outer wall had collapsed showing only one 16 ft. hole. Many people do not realize that the outer wall did not collapse until almost 30 minutes after the initial impact. See these astonishing photographs and video footage for the first time.

Given that the outer wall of the Pentagon had not yet collapsed and the only hole is approximately 16 ft. in diameter - how does a jetliner over 44 feet tall and 125 ft. wide fit into that hole as shown in the crystal-clear and close-up photographic evidence from the Pentagon? Furthermore, can physics explain why there is no damage to the Pentagon's upper floors where the tail section would have hit?

“I heard a very loud, quick whooshing sound. I was convinced it was a missile. It came in so fast – it sounded nothing like an airplane.” Lon Rains - editor for Space News (Pentagon eyewitness)

In the aftermath, it was reported by media sources that a giant 100 ft. crater was plowed into the front lawn of the Pentagon as the result of a powerful airliner crash? Why does photographic evidence overwhelmingly show that this was absolutely not the case? Why no crater? Why no skid marks? Why no burn marks? Why was the entire world deliberately mislead? Examine the video and photographic evidence for yourself.

How does a Boeing 757, constructed from lightweight aluminum, penetrate over 9 ft. of steel reinforced concrete? Photographs and recently discovered computer animations help shed light on this unexplained feat of physics.


At the World Trade Center, why did firefighters, reporters and other on the scene eyewitnesses describe a demolition-like, pancake collapse of buildings One, Two & Seven? Hear the outrageous admissions made by the building lease owner recorded on video, plus shocking new video evidence helps to answer some of these important questions.

What is the bright flash on the right side of the Boeing 767, seen just before impact on both the North Tower & the South Tower, captured on video by 5 separate cameramen including CNN and ABC? Slow motion analysis reveals startling verification of this extraordinary event and begs the question, "What is it?"
Find out what former military personnel think this could be.

Why were there numerous reports of bombs & explosions going off in and around the WTC before any buildings had collapsed? Hear & see the testimony of the reporters, rescue teams and eyewitnesses who tell a different story of potential demolition charges, unexplained explosions, and vehicles loaded with explosives as reported on live television the morning of Sept. 11, 2001.

Why did a FOX News employee, who witnessed the second tower attack, report seeing no windows on “Flight 175” a commercial United Airlines jetliner? Why did another eyewitness report that United Airlines Flight 175 was not a commercial airliner? What kind of plane hit the second tower?

Is there some type of exterior swelling protruding from the undercarriage of “Flight 175” ? An independently conducted computerized digital analysis says yes. Where was this "instrument" attached? How could it have departed from a commercial airport without being noticed? What purpose did it serve in the attacks? Full-screen television blow-ups directly from CNN and other mainstream sources reveal the intricate details of this strange anomaly.

You've been duped by a Frenchie

I think these engineers answer most of your questions

[DarkReign]

Well, then don't troll the political forum and there won't be anymore of this. Jesus Mouse, get a life. Spend less time on the internet and more on polishing your act so funnier people then you don't steal your stuff.

Ok seriously, Mouse has many usernames, but dirk4mvp isnt one of them.

[mookie2001]

if yall pay income tax you have to believe in some sort of conspiracy

[johnsmith]

Ok seriously, Mouse has many usernames, but dirk4mvp isnt one of them.

nah, Mouse's is Dirk4mvp with a period on the end. Check the post count.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Tim Timmerman : Pilot. I was looking out the window; I live on the 16th floor, overlooking the Pentagon, in a corner apartment, so I have quite a panorama. And being next to National Airport, I hear jets all the time, but this jet engine was way too loud. I looked out to the southwest, and it came right down 395, right over Colombia Pike, and as is went by the Sheraton Hotel, the pilot added power to the engines. I heard it pull up a little bit more, and then I lost it behind a building. And then it came out, and I saw it hit right in front of -- it didn't appear to crash into the building; most of the energy was dissipated in hitting the ground, but I saw the nose break up, I saw the wings fly forward, and then the conflagration engulfed everything in flames. It was horrible. It was a Boeing 757, American Airlines, no question. It was so close to me it was like looking out my window and looking at a helicopter. It was just right there. (We were told that it was flying so low that it clipped off a couple of light poles as it was coming in) That might have happened behind the apartments that occluded my view. And when it reappeared, it was right before impact, and like I said, it was right before impact, and I saw the airplane just disintegrate and blow up into a huge ball of flames. And the building shook, and it was quite a tremendous explosion. I noticed the fire trucks and the responses was just wonderful. Fire trucks were there quickly. I saw the area; the building didn't look very damaged initially, but I do see now, looking out my window, there's quite a chunk in it. But I think the blessing here might have been that the airplane hit before it hit the building, it hit the ground, and a lot of energy might have gone that way. That's what it appeared like.






this was one point. i don't see the lawn scorched at all. i see the downed street light, but no markings following it.

here's another pic with no signs of a disturbed lawn before impact. it's from that snopes.com site 101A posted.






the following photo was supposed to have been in my initial post, but i deleted it somehow.

[ChumpDumper]

As for all the so called debunking? why not e mail the Power hour and let them know of this earth shattering Info you have so they can re-do their website?

Why not? They already redid their video -- you can see parts of the original in the debunking video I posted that aren't in the re-edited "Director's Cut" of In Plane Sight. I wonder why they changed it?

[101A]

here's another pic with no signs of a disturbed lawn before impact. it's from that snopes.com site 101A posted.






the following photo was supposed to have been in my initial post, but i deleted it somehow.

What type of evidence are you looking for? What cons utes "scorching"? If a plane "skips" off the ground, would you recognize the evidence it left behind? A pilot identified an AA 757 hitting the Pentagon, and all you are worried about is whether you can see evidence post-mortem of it hitting the ground first? Think about that.

[Extra Stout]

I know he's not a Mavericks fan; didn't know he was a Tin-Hat impostor as well, damn....

It's a comedy routine.

[101A]

It's a comedy routine.

..and you're having a laugh at my expense no doubt as I get dragged back in.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

What type of evidence are you looking for? What cons utes "scorching"? If a plane "skips" off the ground, would you recognize the evidence it left behind? A pilot identified an AA 757 hitting the Pentagon, and all you are worried about is whether you can see evidence post-mortem of it hitting the ground first? Think about that.

read the quote of Tim Timmerman that you quote and the sentenced that I underlined. if a plane that big does that much damage to a building don't you think there would be some indication of it hitting the lawn like Tim says. all that energy should be evident on the lawn.