Meet Barack Obama

[Spam]

I like this Obama dude.

[Spam]

I remember Yoni thought the repugnants would hold the House and Senate too.

[01Snake]

Wait Croutons! The Repugs are the racist party? Then why in the has GW appointed so many minorities within his administration? Why is GW not closing the border and kicking all the illegals out?

You really are an IDIOT!

[01Snake]

University of Texas political scientist Bruce Buchanan said a big crowd for Obama in a Republican state like Texas is going to "capture some attention" nationally. But it's too early to tell whether either Obama or Clinton will be the Democratic nominee, he said.

WOW! He drew a large crowd in Austin TX! Is there a more liberal city in the state? The city slogan is Keep Austin Weird for christ sake

[clambake]

It takes time for intelligence to leak outside of Austin city limits.

Back to your banjo lessons.

[johnsmith]

It takes time for intelligence to leak outside of Austin city limits.

Back to your banjo lessons.

So are you saying that the only intelligence in the state of Texas is in Austin?

[01Snake]

Back to your banjo lessons.

Nah. Its a nice day so I think I'll go out and help kill the environment in my 8 mpg car.

[mookie2001]

The city slogan is Keep Austin Weird for christ sake

you mean 90s california techie bussinesassociation slogan is keep austin weird





I dont know how anyone can plausably support Obama right now, what has he ever done?, besides vote against the war, he has never said anything, maybe he said something at the rally i wasnt there, but hes never said anything about policies or the problems we have as a country right now.

I realize the nature of a campaign a year and a half before the election is to be vanilla, but obama is like a unic
can 20 thousansd people just chodeemplode for a african american pres that bad?

[mookie2001]

why in the has GW appointed so many minorities within his administration? Why is GW not closing the border and kicking all the illegals out?

because they cant get elected as Republicans and GW wants people to think hispanics are neocons


because he is a globalist and for a north american union, he needs a clear lower class to be a bigger neocon

[gtownspur]

because they cant get elected as Republicans and GW wants people to think hispanics are neocons


because he is a globalist and for a north american union, he needs a clear lower class to be a bigger neocon

So where does that put you in the immigration debate?

[gtownspur]

first off, i'm the furthest thing from a hippy and have no interest in california so calm the down already and stop using such silly generalizations as conservatives are so fond of doing. not everybody is fortunate enough to live in metropolitan areas of the u.s. where all the diverse things you mentioned exist...leave these areas and travel to places like kansas, tennessee, alabama and all those food examples you mentioned fly out the window. there certainly are pockets of diversity in all of these places but they are usually stressed communities where the non-white immigrants don't interact and interweave within the white community. even in nyc, there are people and parts of little odessa, chinatown, little bombay and curry hill that live isolated from the rest of society. just go and look at the idiot trying to make an argument about obama's speech in south carolina. completely talking out of his ass without knowledge of the facts.

You're again illustrating the ignorance being spewed by people who read Michael Moore's classist fiction novels.

First of they call the southwest, the southwest for one reason. It has it's own distinct culture seperate from the NE and South east.

The Cowboy culture is deeply imbedded in Spanish vacquero trade, the mission style architecture prevelant in the SW like in some parts of Texas to California come from spanish architecture.

Texas has been under many colonial powers as so has Louisianna and California along with Colorado and NM.

Infact, if you'd paid attention there has been white interaction in the suburbs with affluent asian and indian people. California has thriving Jewish, Chineese, Vietnamese cultures.

Jazz was started in NO because of the interaction with Creoles, Creoles of Color, and Slaves.

Michigan, Wisconsin, Indiana have their own culture as well. Mixing Scandinavians, Dutch, Irish and German.

To an idiot like you, A jewish person and an american of british colonial person is the same.

just because we have every nationality doesn't mean that this country is a melting pot, we don't coexist without serious problems. if this was the case we wouldn't have people trying to redistrict texas to make things more favorable for the largely white republican base to the exclusion of all the darkies and dems. last time i checked *spanish* culture was not a huge part of american society...you don't even know the right term and yet we live in a melting pot because all mexican-looking people whether they're from honduras, peru or mexico must be the same, *spanish*. mexicans may be melting in san antonio which is like the mexican capital of texas but it's ridiculous to talk about rural america where all the mexicans are busy picking fruit, cutting meat and building houses as if they interact on a social level with the rest of that community.

I'm sorry, My parents are 1st generation americans, former Mexican Nationals.
And to say that there is no spanish culture in that again illustrates your ignorance. Not only is the language spanish, But the customs are also spanish fused along with regional ethnic indian of whatever latin american country.


And your cheap attack at recent gerrymandering is ignorant as usual. The Democrats gerrymandered long before the republicans rose to prominence. The fact is that both parties try to regain power by those means. And the districts before the new alignment favored the democrats. Texas is 70% republican, yet you had a majority democrat texas senate for a while.

And if you want the african americans to not be discarded off to heavily democrat districts, how bout changing the ideology of sucking on Federal ty for en lements, and every once in a while vote republican.

Why do you think the Mexican's get pandered more than the african american vote? Becuase they're not as partisan as a whole to one particular party.
Same with the Catholic vote.

It's idiotic to just rely on one political party for your salvation. That creates the plantation system all over again. Relying on white liberal elites to come to the rescue.

anyway, way to understand whitman, you should really learn more about his background if you're going to try and use his ideas as support for your argument.

one last thing. i see you have a guinness symbol as your avatar. when i was in dublin, i had italian food, indian food and thai food along with the traditional irish food...all big metropolitan cities tend to have some degree of diversity, doesn't mean they're all getting along holding hands.

Show me a country who has a 25% african descent population along with another 27% ethnic population that is a utopia. Otherwise you're full of .

We are the melting pot of the world.

Remember about the car burnings in France, that destroyed the myth of European tolerance.

[gtownspur]

You mean Insight magazine.

You mean Hillary buyin off Black votes and having black politicians say that Obama can't win becuase he's black.

Don't act as if Hillary fights with kitchen mitts.

[Yonivore]

You mean Hillary buyin off Black votes and having black politicians say that Obama can't win becuase he's black.

Don't act as if Hillary fights with kitchen mitts.

Reminds me. I wonder if she's baked any cookies this political season.

[gtownspur]

Reminds me. I wonder if she's baked any cookies this political season.

She only likes cookies that aren't burnt or recieving David geffen money.

Rofl rofl, neocon, rofl rofl.

[ponky]

g-townspurs, i'm not going to address all that false historical nonsense you just wrote, i'm half-mexican, half-italian and grew up in the southwest so thanks but no thanks for the history lesson...there's a lot more to it than the gloss you just wrote.

jewish and brits don't look the same to me...i went to a school in nyc that was 80% jewish so i know the difference but thanks for assuming that i see all white people as being alike.

why do i think the mexicans get pandered to more than blacks? because they are the fastest growing population in the u.s., because of the whole southwest mystique that we all just get along and because most mexicans will ignorantly jump on the bandwagon when a candidate speaks some spanish or has some brown ones in their family or acts like a good old boy. am i calling out my own people? yes, there is a history of pandering to mexicans in the southwest going back to the early 20th century and it's not because we all get along.

car burnings in france? i also remember south central l.a. after rodney king, the vietnamese/white hunting accidents in wisconsin and murders from both sides, the japanese internment, the baseball bats taken to mexican families living in georgia, the arab-american store owner killed in arizona after 9/11 not to mention all the arab-american harassment after 9/11...you're right, there is a lot of diversity in all this violence...all violence that occurred after whitman's time.

[gtownspur]

i'm not going to address all that nonsense you just wrote, i'm half-mexican, half-italian and grew up in the southwest so thanks but no thanks for the history lesson...there's a lot more to it than the gloss you just wrote.

haha, no jewish and brits don't look the same to me...i went to a school in nyc that was 80% jewish so i know the difference but thanks for assuming that i see all white people as being alike.

why do i think the mexicans get pandered to more than blacks? because they are the fastest growing population in the u.s., because of the whole southwest mystique that we all just get along and because most mexicans will ignorantly jump on the bandwagon when a candidate speaks some spanish or has some brown ones in their family or acts like a good old boy. am i calling out my own people? yes, there is a history of pandering to mexicans in the southwest going back to the early 20th century and it's not because we all get along.

car burnings in france? i also remember south central l.a. after rodney king, the vietnamese/white hunting accidents and murders from both sides, the japanese internment, the baseball bats taken to mexican families living in georgia, the arab-american store owner killed in arizona after 9/11 not to mention all the arab-american harassment after 9/11...you're right, there is a lot of diversity in all this violence!

Geezus christ, i'm sure every american want's to burn down blacks, and kill Hindu shop owners in AZ. (The guy was indian, not arab. Show's how much you know).

Did you know some guy in denmark was stabbed by an african immigrant.

That's it, Danish people are hillbillies too.

And about pandering to the SW, yeah it happened many a century before like you described it.

If by pandering you mean they took the land from the mexican families.

And, those poor oppressed blacks in La during the riots had so much compassion for their Korean counterparts, that they flamed their shops down and harrassed them.

And rodney king was not driving under the influence and was not harming any lives.

Infact, he was listening to bluegrass and reciting plato's republic when a bunch of appalachian montys with Jim Crow aspirations beat him down and linched him for looking at a lily white girl.

[gtownspur]

According to ponky,

Until americans are able to watch Mandingo warrior porn on bio freindly city transit, and we have Lesbian Cardinals.

America is not a melting pot.

[Yonivore]

According to ponky,

Until americans are able to watch Mandingo warrior porn on bio freindly city transit, and we have Lesbian Cardinals.

America is not a melting pot.

Mandingo warrior porn?

[gtownspur]

Mandingo warrior porn?

Interracial porn.

[ponky]

Geezus christ, i'm sure every american want's to burn down blacks, and kill Hindu shop owners in AZ. (The guy was indian, not arab. Show's how much you know).

Did you know some guy in denmark was stabbed by an african immigrant.

That's it, Danish people are hillbillies too.

And about pandering to the SW, yeah it happened many a century before like you described it.

If by pandering you mean they took the land from the mexican families.

And, those poor oppressed blacks in La during the riots had so much compassion for their Korean counterparts, that they flamed their shops down and harrassed them.

And rodney king was not driving under the influence and was not harming any lives.

Infact, he was listening to bluegrass and reciting plato's republic when a bunch of appalachian montys with Jim Crow aspirations beat him down and linched him for looking at a lily white girl.

Here we go, assuming more from what I wrote.

I don't believe I mentioned that Europe was without racial problems. Yes, I know all about the killing of the movie director, Theo Van Gogh. I know about the racial tensions in Franc, Barcelona, Ireland, Germany, blah blah blah. I never deigned to prop up Europe as the antipodal environment to the problems we have here in the U.S. when it comes to race and ethnicity.

Another assumption you made from something I never said? I never said racism was a one-way street here in the U.S., it certainly does go both ways and is part of the reason why we're not a melting pot.

You have strayed from your original point, which is that the U.S. was a melting pot. All I've attempted to argue is that the U.S. is not a melting pot. I made no mention about other countries and their problems as if this somehow negates our own problems. I made no mention about the fact that racism exists among many minorities here in the U.S. and about how I view different *white* people. These are all false assumptions you made based on a whole lot of nothing.

Anyway, I get bored easily talking to people who can't follow a logical argument, thanks for playing, I'm done for now.

[gtownspur]

Here we go, assuming more from what I wrote.

I don't believe I mentioned that Europe was without racial problems. Yes, I know all about the killing of the movie director, Theo Van Gogh. I know about the racial tensions in Franc, Barcelona, Ireland, Germany, blah blah blah. I never deigned to prop up Europe as the antipodal environment to the problems we have here in the U.S. when it comes to race and ethnicity.

Another assumption you made from something I never said? I never said racism was a one-way street here in the U.S., it certainly does go both ways and is part of the reason why we're not a melting pot.

You have strayed from your original point, which is that the U.S. was a melting pot. All I've attempted to argue is that the U.S. is not a melting pot. I made no mention about other countries and their problems as if this somehow negates our own problems. I made no mention about the fact that racism exists among many minorities here in the U.S. and about how I view different *white* people. These are all false assumptions you made based on a whole lot of nothing.

Anyway, I get bored easily talking to people who can't follow a logical argument, thanks for playing, I'm done for now.

Thank you for proving that individuals on their own do stupid things, but didn't prove we're not a melting pot.

Mission accomplished.

[Yonivore]

You have strayed from your original point, which is that the U.S. was a melting pot. All I've attempted to argue is that the U.S. is not a melting pot.

Okay, this begs a couple of questions.

Is there a country on the face of the planet that is more of a melting pot than is the United States of America?

What part of the American Experience, except for being President, is off limits to any person due to their nation of origin?

Finally, to what country do more people, from more countries, than any other country on the planet, legally immigrate every year?

Are there pockets of this country where immigrants (legal and illegal) fail to assimilate? Yep. But, that's the exception, not the rule.

[gtownspur]

Okay, this begs a couple of questions.

Is there a country on the face of the planet that is more of a melting pot than is the United States of America?

What part of the American Experience, except for being President, is off limits to any person due to their nation of origin?

Finally, to what country do more people, from more countries, than any other country on the planet, legally immigrate every year?

Are there pockets of this country where immigrants (legal and illegal) fail to assimilate? Yep. But, that's the exception, not the rule.

Jim Crow, Wallace, Baptist killing arabs all in these parts.

[ponky]

Okay, this begs a couple of questions.

Is there a country on the face of the planet that is more of a melting pot than is the United States of America?

What part of the American Experience, except for being President, is off limits to any person due to their nation of origin?

Finally, to what country do more people, from more countries, than any other country on the planet, legally immigrate every year?

Are there pockets of this country where immigrants (legal and illegal) fail to assimilate? Yep. But, that's the exception, not the rule.

Sigh, ok, I'll respond to this once seeing as how you're not g-townspur and you do pose some good questions.

Here's how I view things. There are certainly more opporunities in the U.S. for upward economic mobility for the common joe than any other country and we do enjoy many freedoms than a lot of countries, particularly third-world countries and those with oppressive govts. However, the influx of immigrants coming here from those countries doesn't mean that we are a melting pot. While it is too early to tell (mostly because there is a discernible majority in the u.s.), all of these diverse immigrants are straining ethnic and racial relations and we are starting to see fractured communities and pockets of culture sprout up and existing alongside mainstream American culture. I'm not saying that a melting pot is not theoretically possible but it hasn't happened yet because you have to make adjustments for the second wave of immigrants that are coming here, those from latin america and asia. If you think the assimilation of these non-whites is an exception, you are greatly mistaken. Sure the opportunity is there to assimilate, but do they? You have to have blinders on to think that immigrants are assimilating just fine into the American way of life, whatever that means. Just take a look at something as simple as the makeup of congregations across the U.S. before you make up your mind about whether we are truly a melting pot. I won't deny that race and ethnic relations have improved over the last half century but we haven't arrived and the real test will be when the demographic shift occurs about 30-40 years from now and how latinos and asians will affect these relations.

[Yonivore]

Sigh, ok, I'll respond to this once seeing as how you're not g-townspur and you do pose some good questions.

Here's how I view things. There are certainly more opporunities in the U.S. for upward economic mobility for the common joe than any other country and we do enjoy many freedoms than a lot of countries, particularly third-world countries and those with oppressive govts. However, the influx of immigrants coming here from those countries doesn't mean that we are a melting pot. While it is too early to tell (mostly because there is a discernible majority in the u.s.), all of these diverse immigrants are straining ethnic and racial relations and we are starting to see fractured communities and pockets of culture sprout up and existing alongside mainstream American culture. I'm not saying that a melting pot is not theoretically possible but it hasn't happened yet because you have to make adjustments for the second wave of immigrants that are coming here, those from latin america and asia. If you think the assimilation of these non-whites is an exception, you are greatly mistaken. Sure the opportunity is there to assimilate, but do they? You have to have blinders on to think that immigrants are assimilating just fine into the American way of life, whatever that means. Just take a look at something as simple as the makeup of congregations across the U.S. before you make up your mind about whether we are truly a melting pot. I won't deny that race and ethnic relations have improved over the last half century but we haven't arrived and the real test will be when the demographic shift occurs about 30-40 years from now and how latinos and asians will affect these relations.

You act as though the current influx if immigrants is the first time this country has dealt with such.

I dare say that it is precisely because this nation is so good at assimilating its immigrants that you fail to recognize its status as a melting pot.

Think Irish or Vietnamese as two standout examples.