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sheesh...kobe shoots..they lead by 19. Kobe defers to teamates...lakers up by 4 in the half.
2 and a half minutes left in the first quarter and he already has 17 points.
sheesh...kobe shoots..they lead by 19. Kobe defers to teamates...lakers up by 4 in the half.
has nothing to do w/ the rest of the team shooting. the rest of teh team is actually shooting better than kobe. the reason the lakers' lead is down to four is because the lakers are just as bad on defense as the warriors are.
The warriors offense is ridiculous in a good way. They got so many athletes. They are like the Suns on that side of the floor. Maybe even quicker. Their defense is pathetic though as they play very small.
No, you obviously dont know anything about basketball. Kobe averages more assists than Dirk, Manu,Bibby, Terry , Ridnour, and the same amount as Tony, yet those guys all get their teamates involved and Kobe doesnt? You are truly the biggest, stupidest homer to ever grace this board. You are a disgrace to Spur fans, and to all basketball fans in general.Yall obviously dont know basketball..............No ONE player can win a team a championship period.......Jordan didnt even win one till he had some help and didnt have to score 50-60 in ball hoggin points to do it.
Soooooo, get on Kobes nuttsack and feel wonderful about his weak ass feat of taking 40shots in a game.
Shaq got it right.......he left for a team where the star Wade scores alot of points, but gets his teammates involved in the game.
the Lakers.....they arent going to win . Kobe and his ballhoggin points is all they have to hang on to.
Coming from the most partial observer on this board, I appreciate you letting me in your club.
Pussyface has never been and will never be impartial. Purple & Gold is as partial as they come... in fact, he's gone as far to admonish the front office of a team that is ahead of his in the Western Conference (Rockets), despite the fact that both of their best players have missed a substantial amount of time. I'm in no way a blind partisan to my team because (a) I'll go ahead and say they played like lazy s today and thought they could coast out of Arco with a win, and (b) I defended Rockets fans and their front office from the ignorance of P&G who thinks Bynum and Brown are the next twin towers of the league, while ripping on a player (T-Mac) who is less selfish than his "superstar" and also tearing apart one of the best role players in the league (Battier). P&G also went so far to say that Rudy Gay would be an "all-star" (about a 25% chance of that happening right now... and I'm being generous) while Shane Battier will never amount to anything (except I do recall Shane is an Olympian, which is a little more venerable than an all-star in my mind).
Pussyface, if Battier played in Dallas, you would be fellating him as much as possible and calling for his all-star recognition in the same vein as Josh Howard's. Secondly, P&G still has completely misjudged this argument (again) by claiming that I brought playoffs into the picture without reason. I simply said that Kobe would go about 1-3 in the PO's to a good team if he scored 50+ each game because it's the supporting cast that makes the Lakers good.
Somehow, this turned him into a Suns-bashing maniac, even though the Suns took the season series 3-1 against LA last year by allowing Kobe to avg. almost 40+ against them. Why else would Phil Jackson change the strategy for the playoffs against the Suns, thus enabliing the Lakers jumped out to a 3-1 lead? Then, as soon as their backs were against the wall (Game 6), Kobe goes off for his highest scoring game of the series and the Lakers (*gasp*) lose. Are you saying your beloved coach is an idiot, because he and I basically said the same thing: Kobe can light up the Suns all he wants, but Phoenix will win the series if he does.
Either way, the Lakers will have to go through Phoenix to win their next le, so I look forward to those series as they come.
I agree with you on some points, Mardigan, but you have to realize that you're comparing Kobe to a lot of "me-first" players on that list and that's a little unfair (well, Ridnour does play that much anymore and the Sonics suck, so he's kind of irrelevant). Kobe probably averages more assists because he has the ball in his hands more often and he has tried to be a facilitator throughout the year. This past week, however, I doubt his assist totals reached his season average in any of those games.
yeah agree, I think the Manu, Parker assist comparisons are a bit sketchy when trying to make a point that Kobe is "less" --actually, I don't know what the point is by that comparison..
. (By logic is that statement saying Parker and Manu are more selfish of players because they can't get up to 7 dimes a game?) because Spurs aren't exactly a high assist ratio team. If you're going to compare assists you have to do it with a team where the SG is the primary ballhandler with similar offenses, i.e. Wade and Lebron.
as for purple and gold's little arguments for Kobe scoring 50, 60 for the benefit of the team. bah!
I don't think either of us were being black and white about Kobe's individual smugness. And he's just not getting that.
And I don't think Pussyface has made much cred for himself as this "impartial" observer.So whatever.
WELL SAID... THANK YOU!
It didnt, my only point was that you never here guys like Dirk or Terry or Tony described as ball hogs, but meanwhile a guy that averages more assists for the season is. Granted, he hasnt passed much during this streak, but the fact that they have won all 4 games (5 if you count tonight, 43 points) without him passing shouldnt be a slap against him. When he did have teamates he did pass, as his over 5 assists per game average showed though the championship seasons. But at what cost do you try to involve your teamates when they cant get the job done? Koobe is a smart player that will do what he thinks needs to be done to win the game, either by scoring, passing, or playing d. I am by no means a Kobe fan, but I cant take away from how good he is. And by being a basketball fan, he makes me like him more every game I see him play. All I know is, if he was on the team any of us rooted for, he would probably be our favorite player
You don't even know what you're saying anymore. Do you even look at what you type before you hit submit?? The conversation went from talking about this week to talking about the playoffs. I didn't realize that a team can't change a strategy in a playoff atmosphere and against better teams.
You're such a fool, you have no clue of what's going on. You're ass is still hurt because I consider it a bad idea to build around Yao and T-Mac instead of just Yao. He's the second best player in the league and there is no reason why the Rockets should trade a lottery pick for a defensive roll player with only a mediocre offense. Especially when the team has multiple holes. There is injury questions with McGrady. Get it?? That's why I wouldn't build around him. I would build my Franchise thinking there is a good chance he will be injured again. Get it?? And you and your Shane Battier is an Olympian.
As for the future of the Lakers. Kwame plays a very small role in it. Next year is his contract year, if he doesn't start showing anything else soon he's out or he gets signed at a discount price. Bynum and Kobe are the ones that will keep your precious Suns from doing anything. Not to mention what Lamar brings. You already know he completely owns Marion. You also better hope no star decides to opt out and sign with the Lakeshow. That will mean the death of your precious Suns.
Face it, you bring no insight to this board other than what you believe are the inner thoughts of basketball players. Something you have no clue about. Unless you know them personally or developed some type of super power, STFU. Stick to commenting on the Suns and how their style of basketball is the new Showtime and that they will win 5 les in the next decade.
So now the truth comes out. You don't like Kobe because he's smug. Not because he's a selfish, playing only for myself, could care less about the team player. I mean that's what you were saying before. You acted like you and Ron go to Kobe's house all the time and shoot the .
I for one find it very difficult to believe that Kobe is that selfish of a player. I mean he let Phil coach him again after he wrote a book about him, knowing that it's best for the team. That doesn't sound selfish at all. As for the whole deal with Shaq, let me also add that Shaq was the adult in the situation so IMO he deserves a lot of the blame. He was the adult he should have acted like an adult. So next time don't pretend like you really know what's going on with Kobe's true motives. You and Ron just sound like your run-of-the-mill Haters.
I hope all the Haters saw the Laker game and saw how Kobe adjusts when he knows he's not on and the defense starts keying on him. He passes the ball and stays within the offense. He also finds other things to bring to the game like rebounding and excellent defense on Baron Davis. Does he hog the ball? Oh yeah he does, like he rightfully should.
"It went from talking about this week to talking about the playoffs." You seem to forget how you've taken this week to mean the Lakers are about to win an incredible amount of les and then I just put it in a little perspective for you. I guess this 5-game win streak means the Lakers are close to winning the Pacific Division right? Oh, wait... I forgot... now you're going to trot out your "so many of our [role] players were injured this year, so our record sucks" bull .
Make up your mind... is your team good because of Kobe or because of the other guys? (I've always said Lamar Odom is the most integral part of your team.) Funny how I'm called partisan when you only like "role players" if they're wearing Purple & Gold, but not if they're called Shane or have spots on the Olympic team. When Kobe joins the team, I hope you scoff at him representing his country, too. Be sure to call me when Rudy Gay gets an invite, as well.
LMMFAO!!!!!! They were clowning Kobes 50pt game streak on the Mike and Mike show this morning......They said Kobe scored 270pts over the last 6 games, but had only 11 assists!!!!
They totally agreed with me on the ball hoggin........
STFU!!!!!.......did you see my post above??? Even the sports analyst think what Kobe did was a joke. They said he hogged the ball. Alot of players can score that much if they only had 11assist in 6 games. Basically he took every ing shot.
I would like to see a player score 50 points on 12 shots too.
Everybody who scores over 50 points with more than 12 shots is a ballhog.
BTW, Duncan scored his career high 53 points on 28 shots in a loss to Dallas, freaking ballhog.
I'm glad the streak is over....now they can get back to playing more team ball and Kobe can pick his spots. I felt he forced the issue a few times last night...regardless they won and it was due to his timely 3's in the 4th that helped get over the hump. Still, if he hit a few chippies and actually got a foul call on a few of his jump shots, we'd be at this again for another 100 posts.
You actually think that other players can make those kind of shots with 2-3 defenders on them?
You actually think that other players can make those kind of shots with 2-3 defenders on them?
I think ALL the top players could do it. Mcgrady, Arenas, Michael Redd, Dirk, Amare, Lebron........all of them. Especially if they only pass the ball 11 times in 6 games. Thats not even 2 passes a game!!!!!!
It was 11 assists in five games. And 11 assists doesn't mean only 11 passes.I think ALL the top players could do it. Mcgrady, Arenas, Michael Redd, Dirk, Amare, Lebron........all of them. Especially if they only pass the ball 11 times in 6 games. Thats not even 2 passes a game!!!!!!
Are you this stupid?
Lebomb...go back to where you came from. You're parroting Mike and Mike...damn....get your own opinion...or do you like being the contrarian. Regardless, like I said in my posts previously, in the last 40+ years he's the only one to do it...with all of the games and ballhogging and superstar plays in the 80's when high scores and possesions were plentiful, no one has done what Kobe has done...and you still hate. How many stats do you need to see regarding the other players if given a chance they could score 50...you've been owned this entire thread and now you start on his assists...damn you're weak sauce.
Hey, whatever, I can voice my opinion. Its obvious Im not the only one that thinks Kobe played by himself to get those points. You havent seen it done before, because no other player kept the ball to himself for 6 straight games.
So KMA.
Noone can do what Kobe does...........
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...122300783.html
His TEAM had lost seven straight games. And he went on a personal mission (because of the losing streak and because he was pissed off at the league because of the suspensions) to get them winning.
He did that, by carrying the team on his back and shooting a lot and shooting well (50%+) in five games straight.
It's not the formula for success over a long season because eventually he'll have really off nights and because it doesn't breed team basketball which is necessary in a 7 game series in the postseason.
But his mission did what was right for the TEAM right now and that was get them back on the winning track.
So what you and some other people might see as him being a selfish ballhog, did in fact do something very good for his team.
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