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The league can't look at it that way they need to just examine the incident for what it is. You say it makes you wonder because it is Bowen yet he has NEVER been suspended before for anything like this, he is not Dennis Rodman for 's sake.
is this like stoudamire pushing horry down and getting the foul on horry?Oberto's flop.
The league can't look at it that way they need to just examine the incident for what it is. You say it makes you wonder because it is Bowen yet he has NEVER been suspended before for anything like this, he is not Dennis Rodman for 's sake.
in other wordsthe only reason they are looking at it is because of the amare incident
someone es enough and is full of enough over it, they get the grease?
Gotcha.
Dallas allll over again...
Where is the link that he's suspended anyway? This is all speculation.
lol you mean how horry was trying to pull out one of his bags of tricks and draw a 3rd foul on amare? HOPEFULLY even spurs fans can admit that. except you obviously.
dude, the league will be fair..the blew off the amare thing, and if they think he didnt have any intent here they will let him off the hook.
Why is that so shocking to you when he plays in an era where if you blow on someone it is a ing foul? He is the best defensive player in the league under these rules so you are assuming that he would not be under rules that allowed him to be twice as physical as he is now. That is a pretty crazy assumption to make.
And is Amare suspended for the Flying Butt Hammer on Finley?
Maybe Nash should have tried to learn to play perimeter defense before the second round of the playoffs--the 2 times he's tried it in this series he's gotten he nose split open and his gonads squashed
Yeah, where are the "dirty" comments over Stoudamire's bull move on Michael Finley?
Twice as physical is a crazy exaggeration.
Also, the guys in question, MJ, and Pip, weren't the physical types you are thinking about. You're thinking about Derek Harper, Joe Dumars, Piston Bad Boys, Knicks of Pat Riley, etc.
Regardless, it's crazy to say Bowen has the impact as a team defender than MJ/Scottie. Those guys would impact not only the guys they were guarding but the entire opponent's offense beign so disruptive in passing lanes and shotblockers.
Look at their steal #'s compared to Bowen's. It's just night and day.
its a jab step to clear some room...everyone does it.
MJ used it in his arsenal. even TD does it but from the block.
sometimes the defender gets too close then ouch!
You can't give me stats as proof of anything playing in 2 different era's. Look at Wilt and Russell are you telling me they are pulling down 20 Reb's a game in todays game? Bowen disrupts everything now under these rules. He has the ability to frustrate guys like Kobe to the point of them having ty shooting nights and he is hardly allowed to touch them. Maybe those guys are better in the passing lanes but then again under these rules maybe they are not as good as Bowen in 1 on 1 defense. That is why you can't compare stats in 2 different era's with 2 different styles of play.
You've made some good points in a well-articulated, unemotional, logical way. Thanks for staying above the back-and-forth name calling.
If it's true that many NBA players have felt that way about Bowen's unique defensive style, why has there been no backlash, no concerted effort to call him out, no vigilante justice from the victims, or anything of that sort?
Bowen's career actually overlapped with MJ and Scottie. These arent guys who played 50 yrs apart like Wilt and now, so bad argument.
, MJ at age 40 was giving you more steals than Bowen does in his prime.
Also, Bowen's entire career as a Spur he's had Duncan and Robinson behind him. This allows him to really crowd the offensive player. MJ and Scottie didnt play with anyone like that behind them or theyd have been that much more effective defensively.
Oh, btw, scoring and shooting %'s were much higher in the 90's than now. Playing defense has gotten easier even with the rules changes because fundamentals have declined so much. There's much less ball movement and more of an iso game, which is more predictable and easier to defend.
Put Bowen 10-15 yrs ago and he's playing in a league of much more dynamic offenses. They'd also be retaliation against him for his dirty tactics. Teams fought fire with fire with then. Instead of Amare complaining to the media, if Bowen tried this in 1990, he'd have been decked to the ground and had some teeth knocked out by Karl Malone or Charles Oakley if he stepped under someone's foot and sprained their ankle.
funny since hes never hurt anyone....if he stepped under someone's foot and sprained their ankle
The list of Players and Coaches which have called out Bowen is not small. Look at Isiah, Ray Allen, Amare, Vinsanity, George Karl, etc.
Personally, I was willing to give Bowen the benefit of the doubt until this year. At the time of the Wally kick, I thought it was a crazy play, but not intentional. I knew Bowen held and grabbed a lot to get under's skin, but wouldn't have considered him dirty.
But this year, with the Francis, Amare, Crawford/Isiah incidents, it's gotten fairly obvious IMO that the stepping under shooters is done intentionally. I watched the game 3 the other day and there were about 4-5 jumpers by Suns players where he clearly tries to land right underneath their jumping and landing point. IMO, for each time you see this on youtube, there are probably several times it went unnoticed because the player who landed just missed Bowen's foot. But that still doesnt make it right.
I think you are seeing the backlash and the tide start to turn against Bowen from neutral fans/media. FYI, Stu Jackson did warn Bowen
As for the vigilante justice, you make a great point there, but I think the league as a whole has gotten softer. Look at the Spurs with Derek Anderson. Juwan Howard took him out but the Spurs didnt retaliate. Okur was decked to the ground tonight, but the Jazz just sat there.
I also think it's a slippery slope for the Suns players and coaches to whine publically because if they go overboard, the refs are likely to tune out the argument and focus on the fact that the Suns are whining and being annoying.
This is why I think Nash being quiet about Bowen's incident doesn't prove anything at all. Right or wrong, the Spurs are using Amare's comments as fuel to play better, so the Suns have to just eat whatever Bowen's dishing out and get back in other ways, which is what I think they've now realized.
Actually, he did injure Steve Francis for several weeks this year. As did he to Vince Carter who missed 2 weeks in the infamous incident last year.
Anthony Carter and Ray Allen both also turned ankles against Bowen, although I do admit that on those plays I actually thought it was an accident and not a step under maneuver.
But the larger issue isn't result based here, it's intent. Does it make Malone any less dirty if he throws a wild elbow at someone even if it doesn't connect?
that's funny! I would go for that. At least the Mavs are a clean team and they are somewhat fun to watch (i.e. they don't shoot bank shots) hahahaha Suns and Mavs = Western Conference Finals '08. Spurs = 1st round knockout.
I'm sure the foot to the face doesn't hurt... come here and let me try it on you.
http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A9G_Rq2uEU...kick_wally.gif
Speaking of Malone and Nash... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0nIHCR--Bg
Actually, accidents ac ulate associated with a player who is willing to ignore the injury risk of their tactics imposed on the opponents.
That's what separates Raja from Bowen. Raja put his own body to risk to harass the offensive player. He causes among the most offensive fouls by doing so. I have yet to hear who got serious injury caused by Raja. Bowen goes one step further to risk the opponent's health to gain some advantage. Actually, I'd assume he was doing it deliberately so that the other player feels danger without being hurt seriously. But it's like walking on a tightrope and make accident more likely.
Yet, he got rewarded. Coaches voted him for the compound success of his whole package of tactics and smarts.
Raja risking his forearms to harass Kobe:
So this is where suns fans come to cry.
He didn't pretend he was not fouling, did he? And he didn't play dirty foot/kick defense, did he? That was more like WWW show. Raja was frustrated that Kobe swiped his famous elbows at him, and got his face, repeatedly in an attempt to clear space, without fouls being called. The refs called those in game 7. More importantly, where is an injury caused by Raja comparing to the cases caused by Bowen?Raja risking his forearms to harass Kobe:
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