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    So what was the amount of the qualifying offer that the Spurs matched in order to prevent him from being an outright FA?

    In other words, what will he be making if no team offers him a contract and the Spurs don't offer him an extension?
    $3.125 million

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    Thanks...

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    You can hope that by now NBA GM's would be wise enough to avoid overpaying a 3rd year swingman with promise but mixed early performance. But someone always flinches...

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    http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthre...hlight=pietrus

    And how much would you pay Pietrus to join the Spurs?
    I'm not a fan of him at all. I wouldn't give him more than a $12M/3 years contract. I would be shocked if a team offer him a full MLE contract and I would hate it if this team is SA.

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    I really hope Oberto doesnt go to the damn Mavs, Oberto guards Tim everyday in practice and did a good job on him in Fiba. This would give the Mavs an even better chance of beating the Spurs, IMHO.

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    I really hope Oberto doesnt go to the damn Mavs, Oberto guards Tim everyday in practice and did a good job on him in Fiba. This would give the Mavs an even better chance of beating the Spurs, IMHO.
    So if you're Donn Nelson you make the call.

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    If either McRoberts or Splitter is available at 28 (barring Car accidents or other injury between now and the draft), you take them - even if Oberto didn't opt out... That pair has real talent. In most drafts (say 2006) they would be lottery picks (leaving aside buyout issues for Splitter). At 28 you grab and say thank you...

    Fazekas is interesting. At 33, with Oberto opting out, assuming we didn't pick another big at #28, he's a serious option. He's a really good shooter, likes to play high post (matching well with Duncan playing low post). They key is can he defend against NBA caliber atheletes?
    Fazekas is not a huge physical presence on the defensive end.

    In the past, Fazekas has been noted as being soft, but he has come off aggressive this past year playing for Nevada. He can block shots, but he is not a blocking machine.

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    Going to go see 1408...I'll be back later...
    Room 1408? Are you sure you'll be back?

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    I don't see a Pietrus quote in there. Looks to me like a French person linking anyone French to play with Parker.

    Then again, my French is a little rusty.

    I'm not a fan of him at all. I wouldn't give him more than a $12M/3 years contract. I would be shocked if a team offer him a full MLE contract and I would hate it if this team is SA.
    Yeah, there's no way a $12M/3 year contract will be enough to get Pietrus. I'm with you in regards to not wanting the Spurs to spend close to what it'd take to land him.

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    Maybe Spurs can use Oberto in a S&T if it comes to it.

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    Fazekas is not a huge physical presence on the defensive end.

    In the past, Fazekas has been noted as being soft, but he has come off aggressive this past year playing for Nevada. He can block shots, but he is not a blocking machine.
    I know he's not going to be a "physical presence" neither is Horry or Oberto or Bonner - The question is can he be at the right spots on the floor in the Spurs scheme, and not be overpowered. It's not like Any of our bigs outside Tim is a "huge physical presence" since the Admiral retired, and we have won 2 championships. The question is he going to become a victim/weak point in our defensive scheme that other teams will attack continuously - eg. A Spurs version of Steve Nash on the Suns; they have to rearrange themselves on the defensive end to hide him every possession.

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    What need does Pietrus fill?

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    Maybe Spurs can use Oberto in a S&T if it comes to it.
    not if someone else offers oberto more $$$ than the Spurs would want to give him. the Spurs dont exactly want to spend too much money, and if Oberto signs an offer sheet with another team, the Spurs might not be able (or want to) match it. I think Oberto is a goner. This was probably the best time for him to shine, and other teams I'm sure have noticed. His agent will probably try to get him alot more money, and he will end up somewhere else. bring in Butler

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    not if someone else offers oberto more $$$ than the Spurs would want to give him. the Spurs dont exactly want to spend too much money, and if Oberto signs an offer sheet with another team, the Spurs might not be able (or want to) match it. I think Oberto is a goner. This was probably the best time for him to shine, and other teams I'm sure have noticed. His agent will probably try to get him alot more money, and he will end up somewhere else. bring in Butler
    Spurs could offer up to MLE and trade him and Oberto isn't gettting more than MLE, guaranteed. Once he signs Spurs can shop him and the contract around. Maybe they see an attractive player with a year left on their contract that would fill a need, like a backup PG or long 3, and still fit in the '08 plan.

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    Oberto is the best center the Spurs have had since DRob retired. Consider the price tag of other would-be DRob replacements...

    Nesterovic 6 years/ $42 mil expiring in '09 , $7.3 mil in 2006-07
    Mohammed 5 years/$32 mil expiring in '11, $5.2 mil in 2006-07

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    doesn't Oberto have the same agent Manu. I don't know if I like this. I remember the agent tried very hard to get Manu this huge deal with Denver even though Manu told his agent he wanted to stay. I wonder if Manu's talked to Fab about it.

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    Oberto is the best center the Spurs have had since DRob retired. Consider the price tag of other would-be DRob replacements...

    Nesterovic 6 years/ $42 mil expiring in '09 , $7.3 mil in 2006-07
    Mohammed 5 years/$32 mil expiring in '11, $5.2 mil in 2006-07
    Exactly. The price tag for a center who can walk and chew gum is higher than what Spurs fans are speculating so far.

    Hopefully the fact that Oberto is older, non-athletic and more of a system player makes him unappealing to other teams. But I wouldn't exactly count on it.

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    doesn't Oberto have the same agent Manu. I don't know if I like this. I remember the agent tried very hard to get Manu this huge deal with Denver even though Manu told his agent he wanted to stay. I wonder if Manu's talked to Fab about it.
    Frankly, the team that concerns me is Chicago. If PJ Brown decides to retire then they might be looking for a player to bring veteran leadership. Add into the equation the fact that Nocioni is there and it might interest Fabs.

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    Exactly. The price tag for a center who can walk and chew gum is higher than what Spurs fans are speculating so far.

    Hopefully the fact that Oberto is older, non-athletic and more of a system player makes him unappealing to other teams. But I wouldn't exactly count on it.
    Other teams know what Oberto meant to the Spurs in the postseason. Picking off Oberto would be a nice summer move. In addition, his game fits in well with other contenders...

    Phoenix - Oberto doesn't need the ball to be effective. Good passer, good at finding the open seam to flash to the basket, and pulling down the timely offensive board. Plug him in as the garbage man up front with Amare.

    Dallas - Rationale along the same lines as Phoenix. Oberto knows how to play great team defense.

    Utah - He'd fit in well up front with Boozer. Current Utah offensive schemes are oriented towards a perimeter oriented 5, but that can change.

    Cleveland - Should they lose Varejao in free agency Oberto would be a nice fit.

    Houston - Wouldn't be bad up front with Yao.

    And then others...

    Lakers - Jackson loves smart big game players.

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    Frankly, the team that concerns me is Chicago. If PJ Brown decides to retire then they might be looking for a player to bring veteran leadership. Add into the equation the fact that Nocioni is there and it might interest Fabs.
    thats fine.They can keep him,and we get Nocioni.

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    Frankly, the team that concerns me is Chicago. If PJ Brown decides to retire then they might be looking for a player to bring veteran leadership. Add into the equation the fact that Nocioni is there and it might interest Fabs.
    And PJ Brown is also technically a FA, so even if he did come back there's no guarantee that it would be to the Bulls. They are also losing Michael Sweetney. Losing that amount of depth, no matter how untalented, has to hurt.

    I could definitely see the Bulls go after Oberto with some MLE...

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    Door/butt to both Oberto and Finley if they try getting years and bucks from the Spurs. Sincere thanks for going 1-2 on Championships and hasta.
    As earlier posts have noted, it's the Spurs that made Fabs, not vice versa.
    If he can get on a contending team and contribute to a Finals again, best wishes. I think they both should stay on the Spurs for the hometown price and le for one more year. Fabs could still get his new contract after that and Finley, don't make us laugh anymore on the money front.

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    I'll add that since the Spurs remain the postseason bogeyman for both the Suns and Mavs, both of those teams might also target Oberto to give hope to their respective fanbases. Given the postseason the Mavs had, they might be a little more willing to throw a big offer at Oberto.

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    Other teams know what Oberto meant to the Spurs in the postseason.
    Well, what did he mean really? Will his nonperformance against Phoenix have any influence on GMs' decisions, for example?

    It's difficult to point at any one thing and say "that's what we need Oberto for."

    I think Houston would be the last place he ends up. They want to be more athletic.

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    Other teams know what Oberto meant to the Spurs in the postseason. Picking off Oberto would be a nice summer move. In addition, his game fits in well with other contenders...

    Phoenix - Oberto doesn't need the ball to be effective. Good passer, good at finding the open seam to flash to the basket, and pulling down the timely offensive board. Plug him in as the garbage man up front with Amare.

    Dallas - Rationale along the same lines as Phoenix. Oberto knows how to play great team defense.

    Utah - He'd fit in well up front with Boozer. Current Utah offensive schemes are oriented towards a perimeter oriented 5, but that can change.

    Cleveland - Should they lose Varejao in free agency Oberto would be a nice fit.

    Houston - Wouldn't be bad up front with Yao.

    And then others...

    Lakers - Jackson loves smart big game players.

    I know the Raps can't have him and Pietrus, but they don't have any inside defenders outside of Rasho, and we all know about their affinity for international players of late.

    S&T, Oberto for Graham + filler...throw in Beno if you want.

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