You are kidding right? You must have found a list of all the famous ones that died to draw that conclusion...and at least one Indy wrestler dies per year in ring...I'd say.
This doesn't include the guys who die after matches due to injuries sustained during the match, nor does it include the guys who die of painkillers they are on prescriptions for, because of injuries sustained in the ring.
I don't know where you got coke and steroids being the major culprits...
I am not sure...I actually think boxing may be ahead of it...but yeah, I agree. It's a tough, tough business, where we disagree is you thinking they die because they are all drugaddicts who just so happen to be wrestlers...I think it's becuuse they are wrestlers forced to used to drugs to deal with the physical pain caused by the profession.2. Professional wrestling is a close circle compared to any of the major league/association sports. Their death percentage is off the charts compared to all the other sports combined.
Well who do you think become wrestlers? Band nerds?3. I'll give you that there has been other execution style deaths in pro sports, but I'd have to see some stats before I condemn the sports culture. Stats being what is the rate problem for other non-sports people. The backlash on the criminal activity was already underway though. That really wasn't I was asserting though. I was saying that this Benoit tragedy shouldn't be lumped into the other problems so commmonly thought of as problems with sports.
It's the same jock culture...the majority of pro wrestlers are either former amateur wrestlers or football players who weren't good enough to play pro ball.
You have got to be joking...4. Pro football players take much more severe beatings, you have got to be joking.
Seriously...you have got to be joking.
Yeah...because they get too slow to play in the NFL and running is a prerquisite for the position....There's a reason RBs have to retire by 32.
You can be a wrestler without speed and without knees...that doesn't mean you take less of a physical beating than football.
It's the more physically destructive than any of the pro sports...and running back is probably the only position out of the major team sports that takes anything close to the physical beating wrestlers take.
Any of them, if someone will hire you....and how many wreastlers make it to 50? A lot of them are dead by that age.What other "sport" can you start by age 24 and leave at age 50.
But in any sport, you could sign a guy, and keep him on the bench giving only ceremonial minutes, just to draw fans and interest, or for leadership...in fact, the pro sports do that from time to time.
How you like Kevin Willis Mavs stint this year?
And one thing is for certain..the old guys in wrestling, will take more of a beating than the old guys in the other sports.
This doesn't include all the legitimate pro athletes that did play to an advanced age...
Like Gordie Howe, George Blanda...
or TimVP's dominican brethren Julio Franco.
Remeber when the White Sox had Minny Minosa suit up? I think he was like 60.
The Royals had Satc Paige pitch some innings when he was like 57.
It can be done in any sport if you have people willing to do it...
Wrestling being a fusion of entertainment and sports relies more on name recognition and showmanship than the sports do, and because it is scripted it is easy to cover up for a lack of athelticism, and indeed, some wrestlers have gotten by on little or no athleticism of in-ring ability, but these guys are the exceptions ot the rule, just like in pro sports...and that doesn't mean it's less physical.
What keeps the older guys out of pro sports is simple loss of speed and reflexes...
It's primarily because of the owners...a lot of athletes would never retire if they could find someone to keep giving them work...it happens in wrestling too, but a guy like Ric Flair can sell tickets just by getting on the mic(and he is one of an athlete by the way)
[quote]But that's besides the point, just because you subject yourself to punishment doesn't make it a sport.
I never said it was a sport...but wrestlers tend to be athletes and come from that background...it is part of the same culture...and there are a ton of pro athletes that are bigtime wrestling fans.
Sports aren't set up.
You mean like baseball? And boxing?
Just keep on believing that.
Just so we are clear on this...
I am not defending Benoit, what he did was as bad as it gets...he's a murderer, he's a wife killer, and he's a child killer, plain and simple, it does not get any lower than that. And in this case, the way he killed his son makes it even more abominal than the typical murder of this sort...
But I'd be lying if I said it wasn't harder to pass judgement on him because I am a former fan. It's just hard to believe, it just is...
I think you and I disagree on a lot of stuff. I loved wrestling back in the "cartoon" days. When that got disassembled by Triple H, Shawn Michaels, etc. I didn't have too much interest in the post 1992-3ish era. Its kind of blurry after that point. I kept up every now and then and had a streak of saturdays where I watched Smackdown, but it was all feigned. I think you know a lot of details you don't on the inside and specifics, but I'm going to resign to disagreement on most of the stuff.
Just one point of clarification, I think these guys mostly got into cocaine when they became pro wrestlers, not when they entered it.
On a different topic - what was your take on Vince McMahon setting up Bret Hart's le loss to end his WWE career?
I love Brett...but he had no business trying to put himself ahead of the fed.
He was leaving for WCW and pulled some bull about refusing to job in Canada...
Refusing to job when you are leaving for more money = asshole.
Especially because everyone was leaving and trying to screw McMahon in the process...sure Vince probably had it coming, but everyone else that worked for him didn't.
Oh..and I watched wrestling back in the 70's...when it was fake, but the guys were good enough to where it wasn't blatantly obvious.
The guy who made it blatantly obvious it was fake was Hulk Hogan...I quit watching for pretty much his entire heyday and came back when WCW started bringing in a lot of the great cruiserweights from Mexico and Japan...and when guys like Benoit and Brian Pillman started making the cut. I liked Hulk better as the bad guy anyway...he was always the bad guy to me.
To me...the clown era of wrestling was the Hulk Hogan UW era...I hated that crap. I was always more of a Ric Flair, Terry Funk, Four Horseman type wrestling fan. Just a generational thing I guess.
About the only time I really watched wrestling was during the Cruiserweight days of WCW with the Japanese and Mexican wrestlers. That was entertaining IMO.
That's what it looks like in this thread: http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=72381
That to me is the final straw to indicate that this guy has always been crazy. He was shooting up his 7-year-old kid? That's crazy behavior. So yeah, his good guy act was ... an act.In an interview with ESPN.com on Tuesday, Ballard indicated that the boy had needle marks in his arms. The district attorney said he believed that the boy had been given growth hormones for some time because the family considered him undersized.
And@ the people who scoffed when I said he was on steroids.
they say they test for steroids, when are they really going to crack down on these guys? They have already really hurt their reputation and their fans. The truth is that most of the guys in there use em and they are not being caught or punished.
Then you need glasses.
They are now saying that he killed his son with a wrestling choke hold
Chokehold may have killed Benoit's son
By KEVIN DUFFY
The Atlanta Journal-Cons ution
Published on: 06/27/07
Professional wrestling star Chris Benoit may have killed his 7-year-old son with a chokehold, Fayette County's district attorney said Wednesday.
The bodies of Benoit, his wife Nancy, and son Daniel were found in the family's exclusive Fayette County home Monday afternoon. Authorities say the deaths appear to have been murder-suicide.
District Attorney Scott Ballard said the boy had internal injuries to the throat area, but showed no bruises, indicating he may have been locked in the crook of his father's arm. Previous reports have said the boy had been smothered or strangled.
Nancy Benoit, 43, had bruises on her back and stomach consistent with someone pressing a knee into the small of the back while pulling on a cord around the neck, Ballard said.
Benoit, 40, killed himself by wrapping a cord around his neck that was attached to a weight machine, Ballard said. Benoit released the weights — about 240 pounds — to cause strangulation, he said.
Ballard said the pull-down bar had been removed from the machine. He was found seated against the machine in the basement of his home.
District Attorney Scott Ballard said the boy had internal injuries to the throat area, but showed no bruises, indicating he may have been locked in the crook of his father's arm. Previous reports have said the boy had been smothered or strangled.
Geezus...he killed them like they were wrestling opponents.
That was my exact thought when I read it- so sad!
Dude is a psycho and I HOPE HE BURNS IN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My God. I really don't know what to say anymore. When I think it can't get worse...
He probably treated them as such, with his "roid rage".
And it's a definite that they found needle marks in his son's arms. They think he was injecting him with HGH, the details of what he was being injected with and how long it had been going on, will be released in a couple of weeks.
The kid had dwarfism.
Side note - A derogatory nickname for Benoit and Malenko was the Vanilla Midget.
If they were doing that to this kid for a long time that shows that something was seriously ed up long before the murders occurred.
This poor kid...not only did he suffer from physical deformity, he was ing being injected with that crap by an unaccepting dad (and maybe mom as well), and then he got to see his mother brutally murdered before being choked to death.
This is possibly the most ed up murder I have ever heard of.
It definitely wasn't just a case of roid rage...
It wasn't roid rage...or let me put it another way, it wasn't just roid rage. Although the roids could certainly have been a long term factor. This was a drawn out event...and injecting that kid with HGH had possibly been a long term thing.
I'm speechless.
On a lighter note for true Texas Wrestling fans you will appreciate this...the good old days. http://youtube.com/watch?v=9B5Hk1NeUBE
I LOVE youtube and all that you can find. There are so many classic matches to watch..ENJOY
Wow...just saw this on WCCW. I am totally buying it. www.rightherepictures.com
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from espn.com2005 Eddie Guerrero 38 Heart failure *
2003 Curt Hennig 44 Acute cocaine intoxication**
2002 David Smith 39 Heart attack***
1999 Owen Hart 34 Accidental fall
1999 Rick Rude 40 Heart failure believed caused by overdose of GHB, steroids
1997 Brian Pillman 35 Heart attack****
* Guerrero had not used illict drugs and alcohol in four years prior to his death, but his prior lifestyle was widely blamed as a contributing factor.
** Hennig's father said a combination of steroids and painkillers contributed to his death.
*** Smith's autopsy said steroid use may have played a role in his death. His brother-in-law Bruce Hart said Smith "paid the price" for using.
**** Pillman, a former NFL player, had a prior history of abusing steroids and painkillers.
Strange, i don't see any deaths from "body slam gone wrong".
I have no recollection of editing this, but it says I did at 4:34 am.
I don't think anybody is going to convince whott of that.
That's because that list only includes the famous ones...as I said earlier.
This is what happens when you try to present yourself as an expert on a subject through google.
Wrestlers die in the ring or becuase of ring related injuries every couple of years.
Wrestler: Spider
Real Name: Dan Quirk
Birthday:
Hometown: Shelton, Connecticut
Marital Status:
Height & Weight: 6' - 151 lbs
Trained by: Bert Centano
Debut: July 21, 2002
Previous Gimmicks: Stuart
Finishing Move: Arachnophobia (Shiranui)
Favorite Moves: 203 (aka 619)
Kryptonite Krunch
Moonsault
Split-Leg Moonsault
Springboard Kick
Springboard Leg Drop
Venus Flytrap
Notable Feuds: J-Busta
Website: www.wrestlingspider.com
NAWF Junior Heavyweight (formerly the Television le);
NWA NE Junior Heavyweight le ();
Ultimate Championship Wrestling - Spider:
Dan Quirk (as "Stuart") started tagging along with the Scottish Gigolo, as well as being his manager..
Spider attended clinics held by Christopher Daniels, Mike Quackenbush and Tom Prichard..
May 28, 2005: Dan Quirk died after suffering fatal injuries after missing a moonsault at a UCW event in Taunton, MA..
~~~Quirk apparantly took the full brunt of his opponent's weight, which caused him to go crashing down to the floor headfirst..
~~~Quirk performed a Moonsault to the outside of the ring and missed smacking his head on the floor of the American Legion..
~~~Quirk was immediately knocked out with blood visible on the floor and the match was stopped..
~~~An ambulance was called, but all efforts to revive Quirk were unsuccessful. Dan Quirk was only 22 years old..
May 18, 2006--All Out Mayhem in South Portland, Maine: Show included a 10 bell salute to Dan "Spider" Quirk
Thanks to Scott Rodrigues who was in attendance and supplied the accurate details of this tragic accident..
It's probably happened since then....it happens often.
ESPN doesn't cover small feds...
Lesson to be learned?
Don't argue with a wrestling fan about wrestling.
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