Why the Spurs dealt Scola for virtually nothing

[SMSpur]

Thinking about it more, I've concluded two things:

1) The Spurs could have gotten a first round pick for Scola straight up. Danny Ferry REALLY wanted him. You don't think he'd give up a future first rounder? Of course he would. But $6M > late first rounder ... according to Holt's pocket books.

You are dilusional if you actually think the Spurs could ahve gotten a first round DP for Scola. The spurs have had a lot of offers for Scola as far back as last year even. They were all offering a 2nd round DP. When the Spurs said make it a 1st and you have a deal, EVERY single one of them said no thanks. What makes you think that this year is any different. Ferry has REALLY wanted Scola since he went to Cleveland. But is NOT willing to give up a 1st round DP for him. Heck, not only was he not willing to give up a 1st for him, he wasn't willing to take on both Scola AND Butler for a 2nd round DP.

2) Butler had trade value. In that three-team trade with the Cavs and Kings, Butler was going to the Kings. To make that work, the Spurs had to be getting something back in the deal. The Spurs had to have interest on a player on either the Cavs or Kings. And it's not an accident that after the Kings didn't get Butler, they went out and signed a center.

You are the only one that feels that Butler had value, Butler had so much VALUE that when the Danny Ferry was offered Scola AND Butler for the 2nd round DP, he said no thanks, even though he DESPERATELY wanted Scola. The three way trade with the Cavs and Kings feel apart BECAUSE of Butler.

Timvp, sure in your deluded world where Butler had real trade value, and in a world where Scola could easily have been traded for a first round DP then yes the trade with Houston is a terrible trade. BUT if you get back into reality, the best the Spurs were going to get from ANYONE for Scola was a second round DP. And in reality Butler has ZERO trade value. So instead of trading Scola to Cleveland or Chicago for a #2 and having to keep Butler, the Spurs were able to ship Scola to Houston for a #2 DP, AND also manage to get rid of Butler's salary in the process.

[timvp]

But is NOT willing to give up a 1st round DP for him.

Link? Ferry was creaming for Scola. You think it's impossible that he offered a first?

Heck, not only was he not willing to give up a 1st for him, he wasn't willing to take on both Scola AND Butler for a 2nd round DP.

He didn't do that trade because he couldn't. He'd have to send salary back.

If you don't know how NBA trades work, you shouldn't be preaching.

You are the only one that feels that Butler had value, Butler had so much VALUE that when the Danny Ferry was offered Scola AND Butler for the 2nd round DP, he said no thanks, even though he DESPERATELY wanted Scola.

He declined because he couldn't do the trade. Educate yourself before you try to educate others.

Thanks.

The three way trade with the Cavs and Kings feel apart BECAUSE of Butler.

Link?

So far all you've proven is a pretty good ability to make things up.

[hater]

my theory is that Tony found a pic of shirtless Scola in Eva's purse.

[yavozerb]

Its funny to see everyone have an inside scoop of why or why not this trade should have happened? I see this as a price we all must pay to be Spurs fans since the organization is so private in business transactions. Yes, it would have been great to have scola play as a spur, but, it will also be great to have extra roster spots available to bring over young foriegn players to develop in the spurs system. Scola and Butler are gone and yes it looks terrible now, but in all honesty this a trade that needs to brought up again in 2-3 yrs to see the progression of the players invovled..

[Dartherus]

You are dilusional if you actually think the Spurs could ahve gotten a first round DP for Scola. The spurs have had a lot of offers for Scola as far back as last year even. They were all offering a 2nd round DP. When the Spurs said make it a 1st and you have a deal, EVERY single one of them said no thanks. What makes you think that this year is any different. Ferry has REALLY wanted Scola since he went to Cleveland. But is NOT willing to give up a 1st round DP for him. Heck, not only was he not willing to give up a 1st for him, he wasn't willing to take on both Scola AND Butler for a 2nd round DP.



You are the only one that feels that Butler had value, Butler had so much VALUE that when the Danny Ferry was offered Scola AND Butler for the 2nd round DP, he said no thanks, even though he DESPERATELY wanted Scola. The three way trade with the Cavs and Kings feel apart BECAUSE of Butler.

Timvp, sure in your deluded world where Butler had real trade value, and in a world where Scola could easily have been traded for a first round DP then yes the trade with Houston is a terrible trade. BUT if you get back into reality, the best the Spurs were going to get from ANYONE for Scola was a second round DP. And in reality Butler has ZERO trade value. So instead of trading Scola to Cleveland or Chicago for a #2 and having to keep Butler, the Spurs were able to ship Scola to Houston for a #2 DP, AND also manage to get rid of Butler's salary in the process.

SMS is right, Butler trade value was nothing, and perhaps it was even negative....Spurs had been offering him and even for free, no other team took him, so in fact, talking strictly about trade values, Butler was a burden put Houston had to take, in order to get Scola.

[Mr. Body]

Butler's value was hardly nothing or worse than nothing.

[timvp]

SMS is right, Butler trade value was nothing, and perhaps it was even negative....Spurs had been offering him and even for free, no other team took him, so in fact, talking strictly about trade values, Butler was a burden put Houston had to take, in order to get Scola.

Butler could have been traded. The problem is teams that wanted him had to give something back due to salary cap rules.

The Spurs didn't want anything back.

[wildchild]

No...the Spurs asked Manu who's better Scola or Oberto...Manu said said Scola, so the Spurs signed Oberto.

I don´t sure.
I think Scola's more athletic than Oberto, but it doesn't a make him a smart player. Oberto's IQ basketball higher than Scola.

However, The Rockets don't see reason to be worried.
Scola/Butler or anybody seems smarts compared with Yao in the paint.

[Mr. Body]

Scola/Butler or anybody seems smarts compared with Yao in the paint.

[wildchild]

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

MB and Ghost were the two most steadfast supporters of SJax. SJax was horrible as a Spur until that one Lakers game where he dropped eight threes or whatever that was. I was ready to pull a whottt and give up on the young talent that was SJax around the late preseason of 2002.

I always thought SJax was ok. I wasn't really on the SJax wagon, ever. When he was a Spur I thought he was great at being a streaker shooter, and totally unafraid, but I thought his game was too erratic and I didn't have much confidence in things like his ball-handling and his defense. I saw him as basically a head-strong one dimensional player. When he signed the big contract with Indiana I thought the Pacers screwed up.

But the series against the Mavericks showed me that he's a guy that can really play some D and be a leader. His dribbling appears to be better and he makes smarter decisions than he used to. I realized he deserves more credit as a player than I gave him.

That said, there's a reason that the Pacers moved him when they could. He definitely needs the right environment in order to do well, but I think he's got that with Don Nelson.

[pad300]

I literally haven't seen a guy who was drafted that I'd take Williams over right now.

Let me try to think of one . . .

Okay, I'd draft Marcus Williams over Jared Jordan. Jordan has looked horrible when I watched him. He's unathletic compared to WNBA players. He can't get his shot off versus anyone and isn't even that outstanding of a passer.

So that's one person I'd take Williams over. I'm trying to think of a second one . . .

Just to cheer you up, some candidates -
Giorgios Printezis, Milan Rakovic, Brad Newley

However, I would seriously think about taking Jordan off of your list. Jordan has shown he can be competent with the ball and run a team, Assist per game: 4.8 A/TO: 3.0 MPG 24. He may be a lousy athlete, but he does know how to play the game...

[BIG z]

The only truth to this deal was that the spurs realized that they were paying Jacki Butler alot money for nothinh and the only way to get rid of him was to put Scola in the deal to get rid of his contract, they already new that the Greek dude didn't wanna play in the Nba and with cash consideration and saving alot of money the spurs might just buy out Tiago Splitter's Eurpean Contract.