those two fouls were his first two fouls, there was no others "early in the first few minutes" on amare. i can't recall his third, but his fourth was running into oberto away from the ball, which was a foul but could have been overlooked. his fifth was slapping duncan on a dunk attempt.
We won and we are very thankful for it. Haven't you noticed that it is the Suns fans in this forum that are sourgraping?
And no, Suns are not at par with the Spurs, not even close. The series not even at all. , even the 6th man decided not to show at all. It was the Suns themselves that brought their downfall. Not the Spurs.
Funny how when a Suns fan is proven wrong and they clearly have no rebuttal they go right to the "obsessed much?"
Suns = Girls at Treasures
Great to look at and put on a great show, but at the end of the night she ain't gonna take you to the Promised Land...
Hey Johnny Dingo!
Suns have owned the nuggets, rockets and warriors - check the numbers over the past few years.
Yes it took 7 games to beat the Lakers without our so called center (Amare). It's like not having Duncan and I am sure the Lakers would have pushed your team to seven. Actually if you have Oberto fill in the spot they probably would have beat you.
And finally - We beat the Mavs in the season series this year. They got by us in 2006 and we eliminated them in 2005. So yes, they do not scare us.
Advice for you - think before you type
The only hope for Sun Fan is that his team is following the model of the Indianapolis Colts (potent offense and lots of gaudy stats), and Peyton finally got over after 8 years...
after Dungy got the defense to play decently. D'Antoni may have missed that chapter in the book.
The Colts stopped ing about the mean ol' Pats as well.
That's a great take! Many posters here are simply trash-talking, but they should remember that little things under control by the refs can have a big effect: the .4 shot by Fisher, Manu's foul on Dirk in Game 7 (that was a foul, but could have been overlooked), the Mavs had the Heat on the ropes until Wade got a lot of foul calls. Horry's body check on Nash was part in frustration at the refs.
With NBA refs, we have to live with the good with the bad and a lot of iffy calls. Now that one was crooked and reffed a critical game, the trash talking is childish, and a little humility would be nice.
So you are citing two good calls? I can't wait to hear what you think your point is...
All NBA games are tainted from the last 20 years just as all baseball games are tainted in the steroid era.
You can whine about it all you want, but clearly the NBA isn't taking it very seriously if they are actually brining back a corrupt official like Joey Crawford, he is ten times worse than Donaghy as far as manipulating games.
I would not be surprised if over half the officials in the league are on the take. It is simply impossible to be as consistently incompetent as many of them are without some ulterior motive (money) in the picture.
Yet they are still better than NFL, NCAA, NHL, MLB, and FIBA officials. I'll take them any day of the week.
As a San Antonio fan, I bet you would.
As a sports fan though, any of the other organizations you mentioned have better officials/umpires/refs than the NBA. It isn't even close.
The NBA is about the same level as Roller Derby, Wrestling or Boxing. It is rigged.
Dear Suns Fans:
This talk of "phantom calls" on Stoudemire is some of the most self-serving, delusional bull I have ever encountered, period.
You do understand that Stoudemire may be the most overrated player in the game, right? You do understand that he has no basketball I.Q., right? You do understand that he commits an offensive foul (lowering shoulder) on nearly every FGA, right?
By definition, there cannot be a "phantom call" on Stoudemire. He commits so many uncalled offensive fouls that any so-called "phantom call" is really a "make-up call." If the NBA officiated by the letter of the rule book, Stoudemire would foul out of every game. His basketball skill set is little better than an affinity for bowling people over and dunking. Clearly, this will "save" the NBA.
Suns' fans need a support group. Perhaps Cubs' fans will adopt one each. You see, Cubs' fans finally figured it out. When your team sucks or chokes year after year, that's not a coincidence, bad luck, or officiating. It's called delusions of adequacy. As in, "This team is not anywhere near as good as some of its more ignorant fans seem to believe that it is. This team cannot compete with the elite teams."
Wake up and smell reality. Your team isn't really that good.
FIBA officials suck ass.
Wow, like I didn't expect Laker Fan to have a "rigged" take.
The funniest part is that Lakers fans used to endlessly rag on Kings fans about their conspiracy theories early in the decade when the Lakers were beating them. Now it's Lakers fans who're always crying like babies.Wow, like I didn't expect Laker Fan to have a "rigged" take.
NFL = Instant replay gives you some lat ude with crappy officiating. Many bad calls have no effect on the outcome, due to challenges. Still, some bad or questionable calls do effect outcomes. I'd say officiating in the NFL is comparable to the NBA.
NCAA = Depends on the conference. IMHO, Big Ten and SEC officials are pretty good, but then again, that is the "standard" to which I am accustomed. MVC officials are pretty awful; they call too many fouls, allow the home crowds dictate to them, and do not let the games flow. Overall, officiating is better in the NBA (especially from a consistency standpoint) if you look at all of Div 1 basketball. I suspect a few conferences do a better job than the NBA, however.
NHL = I have never really heard of hockey fans complaining. As far as I know, there are no "historically bad" calls that have decided championships, as in some other sports. I don't follow the NHL enough to be qualified to say.
MLB = There are a few umpires in MLB, such as Froemming, who are basically perfect. I have never known Foremming to make a bad call or eject someone who didn't deserve it. (Traditionally, you really had to try pretty hard to get tossed from a baseball game.) Some of the younger umpires seem to lack the maturity and gravitas that the position requires, and they are too quick to toss players for arguing balls and strikes. (The rule is automatic ejection. Custom dictates that you can complain to the ump, so long as you don't turn around or otherwise show them up.) Overall, I would say that MLB has the best overall officiating. Strike zones are not identical from ump to ump, but they are usually consistent to themselves. To be brutally frank, a 162 game schedule allows for a lot of mistakes, anyway.
FIBA = FIBA officials are sort of like East German figure skating judges. Or is it more like Italian parliamentary cabinets? At any rate, it seems like the FIBA officials see international compe ion as some sort of demented World's Fair, in which each official's role is to highlight his nation's bizzare or idiosyncratic rules emphases. FIBA has actually gotten better, but it has nowhere to go but up.
As a Mavs fan i feel somewhat vindicated. We have known for some time that the games were fixed and some of the officials had agenda's. Now proof is coming out. Don't be surprised if it is more than just this 1 guy. Where there is smoke there is fire and where there is fire,it spreads.
You can hate Mark Cuban all you want but bottom line he has been right more times than not about the officiating and he is one of the few who had enough guts to speak out about it to David Sperm. And speaking of Sperm this might be the end of him too if this gets too bad. If he knew anything about this guys gambling problem prior to now and let him continue to officiate then Sperm is toast!
"It looked like those games were rigged man." -- Tracy McGrady on the 2006 NBA Finals
Call bull on me if needed, but I just don't remember Spur Fan saying that we should have rightfully been Champs during the laker three-peat and/or the odd years. Not that we didn't play the "if" game with certain plays/games/series, but I simply do not recall having the at ude that whomever won that particular year had a "tainted" championship because we had gotten screwed in some way, shape or form. That we had the better team and through some conspiracy with Lucifer were denied what was rightfully ours.
I think the closest that it came was the Dallas series when every Mav Fan and Spur Fan was ing about the officiating.
I used to say the Suns got screwed... now, they just got Donaghy'd
So how many les do you feel that your team is en led to based on this situation? Remember, the man has been officiating in the NBA for 12 years, and you clearly stated that fixing and agendas is bigger than this one ref. So how many les should the NBA retroactively award your team?
The answer should be 0. Wade got too many FTAs, but the Mavericks still had an excellent chance to pull those games out. Until it emerges that Tony Soprano had a lot of money riding on Miami, nothing has changed.
Amazing how the most popular team in the league with a two-time MVP kept getting screwed over... er, Donaghy'd in the last three years.
btw, based on resident gambling expert Shoog, if you bet on the Suns in the 6 games that Donaghy officated this year, you would have only lost once.
That is one conspiracy theory that cannot come to a logical conclusion.
San Antonio Spurs **
Funny thing is that Miami was 1-6 this last year in games that Donaghy officiated. The Mob must not be Heat fans...
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