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I think we need to start some sort of Speculation League for the offseasons.
I'm not disregarding anything, and my ears certainly aren't deaf. No need to be an arsehole. I know what I read about three months ago, and that was rumours that Scola was pissed at the Spurs. They have never been substantiated, thus my question here.
My point to you was that your quote comes AFTER he got what he wanted (ie. being signed by an NBA team), so why would he show sour grapes? He wouldn't, so the quote means very little. No way he lands in a great situation in Houston then riles up the opposition like that. He's media-trained, and probably a decent human being, so he knows what NOT to say.
As for everything ending up nicely - no it didn't! We gave away a potentially very solid NBA player, whom we've been talking about and looking forward to signing for years, for NOTHING. That looks like we shot ourselves in the foot to me, but our FO is so good that that makes no sense - I'm trying to work out what the is going on.
Your "fact", a quote AFTER THE ISSUE WAS ALREADY SETTLED, doesn't add anything to what we know of the situation.
And next time you ought to re-consider taking a haughty tone with someone who hasn't said anything nasty to you.
I think we need to start some sort of Speculation League for the offseasons.
Most of the rumors were proven to be bull one way or another.
The only thing that proved true and was there to see for astute observers to see was an article in last summer's express news that explicitly stated the kind of contract Scola's agent said he would sign: 3 years 9/10 million.
People around here and elsewhere refused to believe it, and believed the rumors of him either demanding the MLE, or having a buyout bigger than 10 million, etc etc. They just couldn't accept the facts on the ground.
It was a fact that that was the contract Scola wanted/needed, and that includes from the Spurs.
That same contract what he eventually signed with the Rockets, as most reports seem now to have him at 3/9, though draftexpress among one or two others has him at 3/7.5 I believe.
I don't know why you continue to condemn people who didn't want to fully believe Scola's agent. Do you not remember his agent saying the same thing before it was found out that Scola really had a $10M+ buyout a couple years earlier?
What made you think all of a sudden Scola's handlers were telling the truth? You didn't have a revolutionary take. You just believed what was been placed out there by Scola's handlers ... which actually appears to have been the truth for once.
That he may not have been willing to sign for the Spurs has never been proven and never will.
That Splitter may have been drafted by the Rockets had some agreement egarding Scola not been reached will not be known. Certainly Lindsay was aware of the Rocktes draft board.
That Beno could have been traded allowing Udoka to be signed is an unknown.
The fact you wanted Scola doesn't make waht you wish to believe be necessarily the facts. Unless of course you are working in the Spurs' front office. Maybe that's how you know all these things for certain.
it wasn't just a simple matter of believing anything anyone from one camp or another said, it was about seeing the whole picture in context and coming to a logical conclusion. It was all laid out in that thread and it wasn't an accident or coincidence or luck that it turned out correct.
And 'condemn people'? The people in question was almost everyone. That is not a way of me jumping up and down celebrating correctness, i am not condemning, but pointing out that even some of the smartest, most well informed Spurs fans can be wrong. Especially when it comes to rumors, which is what I was addressing.
If there was a rumor of Scola being a space alien, it couldn't be proven or disproven fully without an autopsy.
Like any rumor it depends on the context of where it originates from and the dependability of the sources, liklihoods of scenarios, etc.
The fact that Scola was traded doesn't in any way validate various rumors old or brand new that will in any way justify trading his rights for next to nothing to a playoff team.
There was only one camp. Scola's camp was saying he could be had for a $3M/year contract. There was no other camp saying anything. Congrats on believing it but I'm sure you were probably also believing that too when it turned out the buyout was ridiculous. And you probably also believed Scola's camp when he was telling teams he was safe to draft in the first round because his contract wasn't that bad.
It was more like believing the only take out there by anyone close to the situation. I've seen Scola's camp lie through their teeth countless times through the years. I apologize for not blindly believing what they were saying without thinking of other likely scenarios.
I don't remember a rumor. I remember Scola's camp blabbering like it did for the last six years and some people eating it up and some people realizing that the word's coming out of their mouth weren't gospel. If you believed it and it came out to be true, congrats. Nicely done. I guess eventually the Scola camp had to tell the truth.
I still don't think it was as cut and dry as it seems after the fact. There's more to the story that we may never fully hear. There was at least bad blood between the two sides including Scola and his handlers getting mad at RC for emailing Scola to tell him to rebound more ... and also the other way when Scola's handlers said the Spurs were treating him like a slave.
I'd like to know what reports you're referring to about Scola refusing to sign for the Spurs on a concrete offer because of a grudge. Until then, I can't even take their existence for granted.
I don't think it was very difficult to figure out I was referring to the fact that the relationship ended up in good terms, regardless of what you make of the trade. Let me assure you, I'm quite familiar with Scola's game, so it's unnecessary for you to remind me how good of a player he is. But whether we agree or not, evidence shows it was the Spurs decision not to sign him. For better or worse.
If he indeed had a concrete Spurs offer which he turned down on his own because of bad blood from past situations, that would have endangered the chances of him coming to the NBA altogether, for had the Spurs felt low-balled, they could have just as easily decided to let him rot away in Europe instead. And though there was a subsequent offer from Houston that the Spurs agreed to, that was AFTER the alledged situation and he had no way to anticipate the outcome.Your "fact", a quote AFTER THE ISSUE WAS ALREADY SETTLED, doesn't add anything to what we know of the situation.
So if he felt so negatively about the Spurs by refusing to sign with them when it could have cost him his NBA career, what would stop him now from talking now that he's out of their reach and they have no bearing on his future? I wouldn't expect someone with the kind of resentful at ude those alleged rumors of yours reek of, to all of a sudden let go of it and focusing on keeping a smart and decent discourse. Such a visceral reaction isn't likely to be forgotten overnight.
Now, here are the facts:
- Luis has always maintained it's his dream to play in the NBA, and he's always spoken highly of the Spurs... even when he conceivably had reason not to. That is, before, during, and after the trade took place. He's said time and again that he hoped he'd sign for the Spurs, but he understood this was a business and that they had to look out for their own interest. , he even expressed his appreciation for the Spurs after the press conference, and I don't remember the exact words but he even let the door open for a potential future with the Spurs after his contract is up. Those are FACTS, not rumors. And they're inconsistent with the kind of behavior the rumors whose existance you claim attribute to him.
- Not only is that Luis discourse, but that's also consistent with Manu's own perception on Luis' feelings. In his own website, Manu himself said Luis had spoken with him, and that he didn't hold any grudges on the Spurs regarding his situation. That is the perception of someone with priviledge acess to him, whose credibility is beyond doubt.
- Never did the Spurs themselves came out saying anything to the contrary. In fact, there were no reports prior to the trade, and Buford's statements after the trade are that you'd expect from a relationship that ended in good terms, stating that "as an organization, we felt responsible to allow Luis to pursue his dream of the NBA" and wishing him good luck. That is not what you'd expect to hear from someone who has gone against his own interests to sabotage an asset of theirs merely out of resentment. , coming to think about it, it'd make perfect sense that they'd put the responsability of the situation not working out on Luis' shoulders, thus deflecting any potential future backslash onto Scola, preserving themselves. Yet they haven't done that.
So in summary, I'm pretty confident the whole depiction I just did for you far outweighs any rumors that may not exist, that may not come from a credible source, that may not have an interested invested in the situation. And considering the high standards you seem to set on credibility and the trouble I'm going through to make sure I'm as clear as possible, I'm sure you'll reciprocate and at the very least indulge me by posting a link to those rumors you claim exist so that verify their existence in the first place, and then judge from myself their credibility. You know, so that I don't go out thinking this was a complete waste of my time and that you haven't contributed absolutely anything to what I already knew.
Actually it was you who set the tone of the conversation with your previous post. So take a good look in the mirror before pointing fingers.
If you want to act like there wasn't anything to be seen or accurately predicted based on objectivity, that's cool. It was all there to see and the why, even moreso on the buyout issue with regards to who pays than the actual nba contract numbers, but if you can't/won't admit it that's okay.
I know all about the public bad blood, that is why I believed (different than an objective analysis, but merely a belief) Scola would never be a Spur and could never be a Spur. While I still absolutely hoped the Spurs would sign him, after last summer I was certain they never would, regardless of money. Exactly because of the bad blood on both sides. The money issues and buyouts were just a convenient excuse.
Okay "objective" show me one quote from Scola where he said this summer, pre-signing, that he would sign or wanted to sign with the Spurs.
some BB journalists in TV here in Arg. have said that NBA scouters have had a good impression on Arg´s PG Pablo Prigioni,but they´re just speculations,nothing solid at all
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