Kobe to Dallas Heating Up Again???

[LakeShow]

You've never watched a Mavericks game, have you?



The Mavs signed Diop and Dampier for Tim Duncan, Yao Ming, Carlos Boozer and Amare Stoudemire, not Lamar Odom's vagina or Ronny Turiaf's bum ticker. They anchor our defensive frontline, not Dirk.



I could care less what team you root for, you don't have any a en for basketball if you think Dirk is our "last line of defense." I don't think even you know what the that means.

Alright, I found a mavs fan with some balls. To actually talk ball.

I've watched all of the mavs failures in the playoffs and it all boiled down to Dirk. If you noticed, Dirk is supposed to be matched up with those players that you mentioned. The only one Damp and Diop should be guarding is Ming, alone with Shaq and other centers in the league. The others play the 4 and should be Dirk's man! Those guys can't guard those players as proven every season.

[LakeShow]

Uh, I don't even know where to begin with that. The word "sad" comes to mind.

You have to excuse Stretch, he has a "little" problem and I can understand his constant anger. , if i were in his shoes, i would probably commit suicide. To be laughed at and ridiculed for his "little" problem has to be unbearable at time. Girls call him "inchworm", I know it has to hurt!

[Findog]

I've watched all of the mavs failures in the playoffs and it all boiled down to Dirk.

So, lack of perimeter defense against Houston, Phoenix, Miami, Golden State, San Antonio, Dirk's fault. Gotcha. Avery Johnson getting outcoached by Pat Riley and Greg Popovich, Dirk's fault. Gotcha.

If you noticed, Dirk is supposed to be matched up with those players that you mentioned.

Tim Duncan doesn't guard Dirk because he abuses him on the high post. Yao Ming doesn't guard Dirk because he abuses him on the high post. Amare Stoudemire doesn't guard Dirk because he can't guard an empty gym, much less a top-five player in the league. There are very few two-way franchise players. Dirk isn't the only star player to get hidden on defense.

The others play the 4 and should be Dirk's man! Those guys can't guard those players as proven every season.

Wait, I thought depth charts didn't matter. In any event, Dirk causes just as many mismatches on the offensive end of the floor for other teams. He's a decent help defender and a lousy on the ball defender. He's much less of a liability on defense than his buddy in the desert. And having Dampier out with a torn rotator cuff really hurt us against Golden State because nobody was back to protect the rim from dribble penetration. Don Nelson put Baron Davis and four wings on the floor against Dallas, who was Dirk supposed to guard. We don't get any offense out of our center position because Diop and Dampier are needed for those post players like Duncan, Yao and Amare in order to get out of the West. It means we're vulnerable to smallball teams like Golden State. That's only partially Dirk's fault, not ALL on him.

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Uh, I don't even know where to begin with that. The word "sad" comes to mind.

Sad indeed.

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Alright, I found a mavs fan with some balls. To actually talk ball.

I've watched all of the mavs failures in the playoffs and it all boiled down to Dirk. If you noticed, Dirk is supposed to be matched up with those players that you mentioned. The only one Damp and Diop should be guarding is Ming, alone with Shaq and other centers in the league. The others play the 4 and should be Dirk's man! Those guys can't guard those players as proven every season.

Then explain to us why Duncan pretty much never guards Dirk?

EDIT: Apparently Findog already had the same thing in mind...

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You have to excuse Stretch, he has a "little" problem and I can understand his constant anger. , if i were in his shoes, i would probably commit suicide. To be laughed at and ridiculed for his "little" problem has to be unbearable at time. Girls call him "inchworm", I know it has to hurt!

lol, stealing Maloof's (an old poster on FWST) insults

[LakeShow]

So, lack of perimeter defense against Houston, Phoenix, Miami, Golden State, San Antonio, Dirk's fault. Gotcha. Avery Johnson getting outcoached by Pat Riley and Greg Popovich, Dirk's fault. Gotcha.



Tim Duncan doesn't guard Dirk because he abuses him on the high post. Yao Ming doesn't guard Dirk because he abuses him on the high post. Amare Stoudemire doesn't guard Dirk because he can't guard an empty gym, much less a top-five player in the league. There are very few two-way franchise players. Dirk isn't the only star player to get hidden on defense.



Wait, I thought depth charts didn't matter. In any event, Dirk causes just as many mismatches on the offensive end of the floor for other teams. He's a decent help defender and a lousy on the ball defender. He's much less of a liability on defense than his buddy in the desert. And having Dampier out with a torn rotator cuff really hurt us against Golden State because nobody was back to protect the rim from dribble penetration. Don Nelson put Baron Davis and four wings on the floor against Dallas, who was Dirk supposed to guard. We don't get any offense out of our center position because Diop and Dampier are needed for those post players like Duncan, Yao and Amare in order to get out of the West. It means we're vulnerable to smallball teams like Golden State. That's only partially Dirk's fault, not ALL on him.

Okay, we're getting sidetracked here. I said, the mavs will never win with Dirk at the 4 in the playoffs. The 4 position is a pivital position in the paint. He can not defend there. With the no touch rule, its easy for players to get by their man, leaving Dirkie to fend the paint. He Cant! All of that talk about PF's that do not guard him is irrelevent. You have a power forward that plays primarily on the perimeter on offense and in the low post on defense, poorly I might add. Teams will keep their power foward where they belong, in the low post. Dirks game is good for the regular season and you'll win alot of games. In the playoffs? His game is a liability! Especially when you can put 6'5 players on him and guard him adequately and have no resistance from attacking the rim.

[Humble Billy Hayes]

KOBE IS COMING TO DALLAS!!!!

IT'S IN THE NUMBERS -

Kobe lost 18 points this offseason. he went from 220 pounds to 202 pounds. 2+2=4. The 4th letter of the alphabet is D. D = Dallas!

[CavsSuperFan]

I heard that both Dallas & Chicago have agreed to a trade involving Kobe...But the snag is that it is a package deal and someone has to take Mitch Kupchak with him...

[Findog]

You have a power forward that plays primarily on the perimeter on offense and in the low post on defense, poorly I might add. Teams will keep their power foward where they belong, in the low post. Dirks game is good for the regular season and you'll win alot of games. In the playoffs? His game is a liability! Especially when you can put 6'5 players on him and guard him adequately and have no resistance from attacking the rim.

Not as much of an issue when Dampier is there alongside him. When Dampier is gone and Dirk slides over to C like he did against Golden State? A big problem.

[big3bigD]

I wouldn't put too much stock in these reports. There are going to be a lot of teams that will be able to offer a return package at least as good as Howard/Terry.

And you know Buss would prefer to send him to the East.

Kobe has the only active no-trade clause in the NBA in his contract, effectively allowing him to pretty much choose the team that gets him.

[Medvedenko]

That's true...but apparently he practised today and will play in tomorrow's exhibition game.....

[E20]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/rumors/p...?urn=nba,49460

If Lakers want to talk deal for Kobe, Cuban is listening
Wednesday, Oct 17, 2007 9:21 am EDT

Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban said that nobody in the Mavs organization had talked to the Lakers about trading for Kobe Bryant. He then made it clear that he'd be more than willing to chat with Lakers GM Mitch Kupchak.

"Kobe is a phenomenal player, and the Mavs have always been opportunistic since the day that I bought them," Cuban. "So, if something were to present itself, we'd always have to explore it. But we have a great team."

Source: Dallas Morning News

[BUMP]

Terry and Howard would be armed robbery. the Lakers have to find a better deal than that

[mavs>spurs2]

Terry and Howard would be armed robbery. the Lakers have to find a better deal than that

2 of the top 3 players from a championship quality team doesn't sound like a terrible deal at all. No matter who the Lakers trade him for, they won't be able to get back equal value in return because there is no equal value for Kobe Bryant. The closest thing would be a trade for Wade or James, and that just isnt happening. Whether this deal goes through or not, the Lakers will have to at least settle for another similiar trade or just keep a disgruntled Bryant.

[sharpshooter]

as a spurs fans i definantely hope the kobe be traded to the bulls instead of the mavs and the suns. If kobe were to be traded to the mavs i think they should ask for dirk instead of howard and terry. A straight trade kobe for dirk. If to the suns kobe for amare

[baseline bum]

2 of the top 3 players from a championship quality team doesn't sound like a terrible deal at all. No matter who the Lakers trade him for, they won't be able to get back equal value in return because there is no equal value for Kobe Bryant. The closest thing would be a trade for Wade or James, and that just isnt happening. Whether this deal goes through or not, the Lakers will have to at least settle for another similiar trade or just keep a disgruntled Bryant.

Sorry man, that trade makes no sense for the Lakers. If you swap Terry for Harris, then it starts becoming something they have to consider. LA's made it pretty clear they're building for the future, and a vet like Terry doesn't fit into that.

[mavs>spurs2]

Sorry man, that trade makes no sense for the Lakers. If you swap Terry for Harris, then it starts becoming something they have to consider. LA's made it pretty clear they're building for the future, and a vet like Terry doesn't fit into that.

Harris would be fine too, if youre the Mavs you still pull the trigger on that deal. The only question is who else would be involved to make the salaries work?

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Can't trade Harris. He has the poison pill clause. The only players we can trade are Terry, Howard, Diop, Damp, and Ager. Picks too. If we pull the trigger, I see us dealing Terry, Howard, Diop, and Ager.

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If we did the Terry, Howard, Diop, Ager trade, then this would be our lineup...

PG - Harris, Barea
SG - Kobe, Hassell, Stackhouse
SF - George, Jones
PF - Nowitzki, Bass, Fazekas
C - Damp, Sampson

Of course, some player can switch positions as well, such as Kobe at PG, or Bass at center, and that whole mess of G/F's that we have. Man... that would be such a SICK team... and with the type of offense that Avery runs... he runs isolation, and we all know that no one in the league is a better iso player than Kobe Bryant. Plus, our biggest concern the past 3 years has not been our interior defense... its been our perimeter defense, but now we are stacked with solid perimter defenders. And with a trio of Kobe, Dirk, and Harris on offense... my god that is SICK.

[baseline bum]

Can't trade Harris. He has the poison pill clause. The only players we can trade are Terry, Howard, Diop, Damp, and Ager. Picks too. If we pull the trigger, I see us dealing Terry, Howard, Diop, and Ager.

Then I guess y'all gotta wait until December 15th to have any hope of landing Kobe, as he's not coming for Howard + your crap.

[ludda]

If a Kobe trade doesnt actually go down this season, I think I'd actually feel letdown just cuz I cant look at a ing sports website without his face plastered everywhere. "Kobe goes to bathroom during practice...could be sign that he wants out now." Ridiculous, glad we don't have to deal with this drama.

[Findog]

Terry and Howard would be armed robbery. the Lakers have to find a better deal than that

Kobe has a no-trade clause, and they're not going to get equal value from him anywhere in the League. The Lakers are the ones that couldn't keep him happy, it's their ing problem, not ours. They have to do this deal, we don't have to. If they don't like that offer, call up Paxson and ship him to Chicago.

[Shank]

Stein was saying yesterday that it could end up being a situation where Kobe only wants to go to Dallas and won't do a damn thing with the Lakers unless that trade happens. At that point, the Mavs will be the ones with all the control and can dictate the pieces in the trade. Lakers either take it or are forced to have a team sans a resentful Kobe.

[Obstructed_View]

The Lakers don't have to make a deal right now. Kobe's contract runs through this season and next season, does it not? They'd be stupid to just jump at the first thing they get offered, especially when it consists of one all-star and a guy the Mavericks don't even want on the team anymore.