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So you didn't have to compare them because they would play different positions on the Spurs and you agree with my contention we could have both for that very reason.
Ok.
Ok well, let us know when he's coming over.
Meanwhile....Spurs got a le to defend. You should watch them do it.
So you didn't have to compare them because they would play different positions on the Spurs and you agree with my contention we could have both for that very reason.
Ok.
I already say many time before Panathinaikos my favorite Greek team and Euroleague team, Spurs my favorite NBA team.
It's not a fair comparison :
1) Spanoulis in 04-05 was more than one year older than Washington in 06-07.
2) Washington hasn't played in Europe before while Spanoulis had still play in Europe. the transition from NCAA to ULEB Cup is ten times harder than the transition for Greek League and FIBA Eurocup to ULEB Cup.
And even if it were a fair comparaison, it's kinda point less. Spanoulis being better than Washington in Europe doesn't mean that he will be better than him in nba because it's not the same compe ion.
Let's give Washington a couple years before making the comparison.
Ok, well you may have some potential to be a real basketball fan then
I just don't understand why you're trying to sell us on Spanoulis...nobody here dissed him, several of us were excited about the idea of signing him, and I imagine that included individuals in the Spurs FO...and you saw what happened to Beno....he was on his way out. Like I said he was when they traded for Spanoulis in the first place.
The back up PG spot was his if he wanted it, and probably would have gotten minutes at the 2 spot as well.
Instead, he got cold feet, passed on a chance for an NBA championship, and made the Spurs look kind of foolish for doing this trade. Not exactly a good way to impress the fan base.
And to tell you the truth...the biggest mistake he might have made from an individual standpoint..was passing up the chance to play in Adelman's offense.
Van Gundy is a bag obviously..but it seems to me that Spanoulis is taking that out on the Spurs and the entire NBA.
I just try show Spur fan that Spanoulis actual better prospect for sure than Washington because now fan see what player like Washington can do in NBA under coach like Popovich.
So many fan here keep base Spanoulis on how Van Gundy use him which crazy. Van Gundy must be worst coach of offense and for rookie player ever. Also as bad with Europe player.
Example if Van Gundy coach Rockets now after Scola have many turnover in preseason for examples MORE than Spanoulis have per minute and he be POWER FORWARD and plus all his foul problem, then he have poor first game of year.
IF this happen under Van Gundy Scola = "doggie house" all year and now ride bench. Scola not even be allow play 2nd game, but under Adelman he allows chances to adjust and then have good 2nd game.
Van Gundy state over and over player have turnover he NOT play. He call Spanoulis "turnover machine" base on turnover in preseason and Spanoulis try tell him he just try get use to game not care about turnover then because game not count. Spanoulis just try get teammates use to passes.
Van Gundy if coach Manu as rookie, Manu = bench all year. This simple how stupid Van Gundy really is. He even refuse play player like Bonzi. He had before tell Knicks he wish bench Camby and they have to threaten fire him. He wish Camby never play too. He such idiot but he brag about how player like Ryan Bowen Rafer Alston and Charlie Ward "great players."
Van Gundy idiot coach. Scola get more turnover per minute in preseason than Spanoulis do and he not even point guard. Scola already be ride bench under idiot like Van Gundy.
So Spurs fans need understand cannot judge by how he use by Van Gundy. Just see T-Mac already look 10 time better player after get free from Van Gundy idiot offense.
Spanoulis is player can get average 15 point 5 NBA type assist in Euroleague as 6 man for team quality of Panathinaikos which be team to be championship game at least.
Then only complete re coach not realize this and his good defense and good athlete ability and quickness would not equal good NBA player.
Rocket management brag about how great he is then stupid coach just throw him away.
With Spurs this be Parker/Washington and Manu/Billy good for Spurs. Billy can be great 6 man for them. He can take similar role style like Manu this allow Manu get starter spot back.
Let's compare them in NBA
Vaginis 2.7pts 0.9asts 0.7rebs 0.2stls
Washington 2.3pts 2.0 asts 1.7 rebs 0.7 stls
Washington>Vaginis in NBA
Year I use Spanoulis 22 year old rookie of ULEB Cup and Washington 21 year old rookie of ULEB Cup. This not fair comparison?
Then how about compare Washington rookie year now of NBA as decent backup rookie point guard of age 22 how old he will be this year to Spanoulis of age 23 rookie year of Euroleague? This Spanoulis first year with Panathinaikos.
As 23 year rookie of Euroleague he get 10th place MVP Euroleague. He get 2nd place MVP Greek league. He lead team in scoring both league off bench! He get all star Greek league and all Greek league. He get all Euroleague team. Spanoulis get MVP of week twice for Euroleague. Spanoulis get Euroleague Rookie of Year and 6 Man of Year award.
Spanoulis also get vote 7th best European player for 2006 from FIBA International!
Also Spanoulis in international this year lead Greece in scoring even come off bench and they get 2nd place 2006 FIBA World Championship and he lead them with 22 point 6 FIBA assist (9 NBA assist) game off bench when they beat team USA.
Look at FIBA European International Player of Year 2006:
http://www.fibaeurope.com/cid_rdCa0A...leMode_on.html
Overall Rank Name Rank in panel vote Rank in fan vote Total Weighted Rank
1 Theo Papaloukas (GRE) 1 1 1.0
2 Pau Gasol (ESP) 2 2 2.0
3 Dirk Nowitzki (GER) 3 3 3.0
4 Jorge Garbajosa(ESP) 4 4 4.0
5 Juan Carlos Navarro (ESP) 5 6 5.3
6 Boris Diaw (FRA) 6 9 6.9
7 Vasileios Spanoulis (GRE) 7 7 7.0
8 Tony Parker (FRA) 8 8 8.0
9 JR Holden (RUS) 9 10 9.3
10 Jaka Lakovic (SLO) 9 11 9.6
OK you see Spanoulis perform at age 23 with normal offense style coach now you still think Washington better player?
You think Washington compare to player like Papaloukas, Gasol, Nowitzki, Garbajosa, Navarro, Diaw, Parker? Really?
See Navarro already do some thing NBA but if Van Gundy coach him after he 4 turnover in first game and because he "Euro trash" as Van Gundy call Spanoulis as base on "Euroleague barn league" as he say then Navarro already be bench all year by him to.
Like last year Mitc not want use Garbajoda and Raptors suck and Colangelo tell him use him and team sudden become win team.
So you really think Washington at age 23 already being compare with player like Papaloukas, Gasol, Nowitzki, Garbajosa, Navarro, Diaw, Parker?
Washington good player but not close to Billy. Spur fans not realize great chance team have to get Billy what this mean. Think Scola trade just dump trade. Not get Lindsey and Buford and Popovich want Spanoulis.
Dawson and Lindsey have say before that Spanoulis = Parker or Manu in talent and very upset with how Van Gundy use him.
You see in Greece Pana fan cannot believe such great talent be given away back to us.
Spanoulis is good in Europe not in the NBA. Van Gundy gave him a chance last year, but everytime he came in he would either make a bad pass, (turnover) or an ill-advised shot(Nut up). I watched EVERY Rockets game last year, and wanted badly for Spanoulis to suceed, but he just didn't. He is very active, but without focus. He was given a chance, failed, and whined that it wasn't enough.So now he wants to step in as the backup PG for the WORLD CHAMPS????????? He couldn't beat out Rafer Alston but he is somehow supposed to help the Spurs. He doesn't take criticism very well so how could he survive under Pop? I'm also sick of hearing this his mother is sick because his father died sh$t.His father died years ago!!! This was all covered in the rockets forum. If you love him please continue to cheer him on, but don't make him into the Messiah of basketball.
Oh yeah Washington looks better already.
Yes, it's unfair and mainly because Washington came from NCAA to land in a new team, new country and new style of BB.
Spanoulis wasn't in this case.
And at 21, Spanoulis was playing the Eurocup (weaker level than the ULEB cup) and averaged 6/4.
So now you are comparing nba with Euroleague ?
FIBA isn't the same thing than nba.
you shouldn't have followed Raptors very closely. Garbojosa played heavy minutes, even at the start of the season.
Did I say : Washington > Spanoulis ? NO.
Your comparison isn't fair, deal with that.
Saying that, it doesn't mean that Spanoulis isn't a better player than Washington.
I'm on record as thinking Spanoulis is a guy that would transfer well to the NBA, he's got the speed to do it.
He was in Van Gundy's doghouse for turnovers and because Van Gundy hates offense in general...Van Gundy is the worst offensive coach in the NBA IMO.
He's not Sarunas or one of those guys that's just fast enough for the game in Europe, but gets smoked in the NBA...he's fast enough to play in the NBA.
....he just lacks the desire to do so.
If the guy wants to play here next year, bring it on.
If not, who cares.
So the 2008-2009 championship can be assured if the Spurs sign this guy as their 3rd string point guard?
Then why didn't Houston win it last year?
Because Spanoulis was horrible.
Yeah...he was so horrible Jeff Van Gundy is no longer with the team.
Pop will never allow a rookie to play "free", spurs team is all about systems.
If Vspan were a Spur, I wonder if he could have stand Pop yelling at him all the time
I don't know why all the argument here about this guy.
I think most with any basketball sense will admit the VSpan is one of the better players in Europe just like Manu was one of the better players in Europe.
There can also be no doubt that the Spurs made a last minute attempt to lure him back this year through Parker, but in light of the personal problems were unable to, and yet managed at least to set things up for him to come over then (next season) when hopefully those problems are no longer an issue.
All of this has been reported on in the news.
And the Spurs are an organization that likes to view itself as a family which takes real family issues seriously. Look at Horry to see an example of that.
So summing up, it looks very very promising that VSpan will get a chance next season to be a Spur.
I'm quite sure he won't be the turn over machine he was in Houston because he learned a valuable lesson there last year.
Plus it isn't surprising that Pop wants him. Pop knows talent when he sees it and has learned to trust the foreign talent pool where VSpan is one of the top, if not The top, player over there.
Finally, it is exciting to imagine that he could very well make the Spurs next year and most probably be the primary backup PG although right now Washington has the edge since he will have had a year in the system under his belt.
My best guess is that since there is no player buy-out for VSpan after this first season with the Greek team Pana due most likely to CIA Pop getting VSpan to arrange his Greek contract that way, he will in fact come over to try to make the Spurs.
And I have very little doubt he will succeed just like Manu succeeded. He is that good!
The Spurs will most likely need his services more next year anyway, but my best guess is that he starts out as 3rd string PG and possibly 2nd string SG since the Spurs will be in a somewhat retooling mode with the loss of Barry, Vaughn, and Horry, and potential losses of Finley and Oberto.
I, for one, am excited about next years potential to continue to carry the torch after the Spurs finally achieve that elusive "repeat" this year.
Some people just like to rain on other peoples' parades, thats all.
It's common knowledge that Van Gundy is an asshole and highly overrated as a coach among those in the know.
The clincher is that if Pop and the Spurs FO didn't really want this guy on the team this and next year, then there would not have been the under the table influence for VSpan to arrange his contract to allow him an "out" after his first season with the EuroGreek team, Pana.
All other arguments are moot in light of that.
And others who like to claim he is a whoos for needing to attend to personal (his Mom's fragile mental health) for lack of a better argument, are just being at the height of insensitivity.
Many players have similar problems that need their attention. See Horry, or Mr. .04.
Most decent FOs who have any inkling of sensitivity, foresight, and class will allow this whereas those with no class, or are just plain terrible, will not.
IMHO next year is already exciting from the prospects of it (just like its' been the last few years as most of us were hoping for Scola to eventually come on board) even though it's still this year where the main focus is for now.
First things first: back-to-back repeat.
And then: back-to-back-to-back repeat!
What a grand time it is to be a Spurs fan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Spurs Dynasty!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My contention is that there is not now, and never has been, any third string player that has made any team "for sure win champions(hip)" - as Kill Bill has stated VSpan would.
Kill Bill:Spanoulis :: whottt:Shane Heal
Vspan put up with JVG. Is Pop worse than Van Gundy when it comes to yelling and being a general bag?
Pop will never allow a rookie to play "free", spurs team is all about systems.
If Vspan were a Spur, I wonder if he could have stand Pop yelling at him all the time
Did you sit in the Rockets practice sessions and watch all the practices too? Did Spanoulis have great practices or not? Did he get enough playing time during the season to make a sound basketball call about the man's talent as it seems you have have already done? Or does that lockdown robotic play of JVG's really turn you on to see Yao getting pushed around or T-Mac running the offense with the other teams defenders all keying on him? Wow, that's really smart. How about Azubuike going off for 33 pts and Nachbar becoming one of the best small forwards in the NBA? Does that tell you anything about how JVG uses players? Every single player who ever played for JVG has declined in scoring average.
he's a pussy. stay in ing europe. the spurs don't need another beno. they just got rid of the last one.
I agree with most on this, he can probably play in the NBA, he has the skills. Unfortunately, he doesnt have the balls. He was the one who wanted to go back to Europe, otherwise he'd be on the Spurs roster. If he changes his mind next year, hey, we'll give him a look but thats it.
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