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If V-Span was as good as you say he is, then he would be on an NBA roster right now. JVG is a sharp basketball mind, and he had no use for him. Gregg Popovich is an even keener basketball mind, and he didnt want V-Span. Give it up.
Vaughn is not even player as Alston. Alston make him look like joke. You have no idea what player like Spanoulis can do. He is much better than these players. Simple true facts that fan like you not aware of it is part of reason like I say America is lose international games.
Because NBA coaches do not want player with brain most of time. Spanoulis is player can coach on floor and play with own brain. van Gundy do not want a player he want a ROBOT. Player such as Yao is Chinese he will do as told by coach this is his way of learn game.
Player such as T-Mac and Alston is weak mind player and do not have mental strengths to understand coach is Napoleon who want robots. Spanoulis is player with good brain and from system where coach expect player be able to think without coach.
Avery Johnson is same way like Van Gundy and this is how in America "real basketball" is say to be by fans even. NO. Real basketball is Adelman way. Spanoulis will be play 35 minute no problem if Adelman is coach. But Rocket fans say Adelman will ruin team and beloeved "great" van Gundy is gone just like stupid Kings owners get rid of Adelman and wish they can get such coach like Van Gundy
In Europe Adelman is typical of top level coaches in NBA he is like Messiah compare to how bad typical coaches are.
If V-Span was as good as you say he is, then he would be on an NBA roster right now. JVG is a sharp basketball mind, and he had no use for him. Gregg Popovich is an even keener basketball mind, and he didnt want V-Span. Give it up.
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I say right now better than Spanoulis. One of reason like say Spanoulis need good play time against better such point guards which he have not had yet. His game need grow more against such players.
I honest not even think Chris Paul right now is better than Spanoulis. NBA fans believe Calderon and Navarro even are better player than Spanoulis and I honest think this is really bit funny. They are not in same ability as Spanoulis. I see Rockets fans dreams about get Calderon it funny because same fan say Spanoulis "trash" he is actual much better player than Calderon.
Vspan has yet to prove himself in the NBA. Never got enough minutes and was asked to play away from his main skillsets. Vspan is a slashing penetrating guard who gets assists off the collapsing defenses. JVG made him camp out at the three and play hard defense. Vspan is not a 3 pt shooter just like Parker is a horrible 3 pt shooter. What coach makes a horrible 3 pt shooter camp out at the 3?
All I know is that Mike D'Antoni is considered a genius in Europe.
Van Gundy is very stupid. Spanoulis rate him as dumbest and worst coach he have in whole life. Spanoulis also say Popovich is very good coach. Also Popovich ask Spanoulis to play and please stay with team so you not understand basic fact of situation.
Spanoulis not matter basic thing is true. Kidd is overrate player and this same way that America NBA and basketball way has got weaker. Kidd cannot shoot basketball there is time in NBA such player can never be call "good" now on Tv watch game he always call "one of best ever" I have see players like Magic and Stockton plays and they is so much more good player than Kidd it is joke he is compare to them.
You keep talks about player such as Wade, Howard, Amare, Lebron on US and how great they are. It is make up thing. US basketball is drop down and this why rest of world can beat you now. Player like Kobe is TRUE great great player. Player like Lebron, Howard and these are just not.
Blaming it all on the coaches is a bunch of bull . If Spanoulis was one of the best point guards in the league then he would get to play, plain and simple. Certain players do better in different systems but one thing remains the same, great players DO at least get playing time.
This true if Parker be demand by coach only allow dribble ball pass to T-Mac stand behind 3 point line then shoot ball how good will Parker be? Spanoulis consider Popovich very good coach he consider Van Gundy person that need be slap in face. Also true issue is Yao and T-Mac not even like how Van Gundy do many things.
Yeah, Spurs wouldn't even make playoffs in Euro league. What are we thinking? Kill Bill is the greatest basketballer in the world. LeBron would just be an ok player in Europe. That guy is just average. Kill Bill would own the NBA just like Saras did.
Well actually Lebron is in Kobe's league. I would love to see Lebron push Kobe in scoring but I don't think he'll ever get that playing for Mike Brown. It's simply amazing what effect a coach will have on a players stats. Every single player who played for Jeff Van Gundy with the exception of T-Mac had lower stats than when they played on other teams.
This is not true and he is at best average coach if he is in Euroleague. You think he is as good coach as Obradovic? Messina?
D'Antoni is stubborn coach with short rotation and also think he know everything of all about game. He is medium even level coach nothing more.
Yeah? Then what happened to Fabio? Walter Hermann?
Average in Europe, horrible in NBA.This is not true and he is at best average coach if he is in Euroleague. You think he is as good coach as Obradovic? Messina?
D'Antoni is stubborn coach with short rotation and also think he know everything of all about game. He is medium even level coach nothing more.
Truth is Walter Hermann is buried on the Piston's bench. Herman is really good and put up great numbers at the end of last year. He's a great player who got screwed by Saunders.
LeBron is very good player. You not understand what I mean. I mean even though Lebron is great player he is not player America and NBA make him to be. Kobe is true player that is all that he is make to be. Lebron is not Bird, Magic, Jordan but Kobe can be compare to them. It is just media make up Lebron is this good.
Great player yes but not as good as hype. This what I mean.
Also Saras suck. He sucks in Europe and he always suck IMO. He is most overrate player in world and it is laughable thing how listen to American fan always use him as "he best Euroleague player ever" look what he do in NBA. For you to get some fact right he play on same team as Spanoulis and Spanoulis is many level better than him.
Coach cannot even wait to get rid of "greatest Euroleague player ever". Saras never even play on team where he is even 2nd best player on own team in Europe. This is fact and it funny because NBA fans not even realize all they hear about him in Europe was thing call made up lie and hype same thing I am explain to you that also you hear about your own players.
Saras is not even that good player at Euroleague level. Even in Greek league he is one of worst defenders in league. Same hype lies that create this Saras myth in Europe and US is same ones create myth Wade is "next Jordan".
At least at some point someone saw enough potential in him to give the guy a chance, and he is still in the league which is more than can be said for V-Span. And you're also not claiming that Herman is a top 3 PF in the league.
Can we get this thread back on track? This whole V-Span crap is giving me a headache.
My take on the trade: The problem with this trade is that it closes the window for Dallas, without really giving a solution to the longstanding problem this team always had, no post presence. Avery tried real hard to make Dirk a post guy, but obviously he isn't and he's unwilling to become one. He's a tremendous 7ft guard that can drive and shoot, period. As far as Kidd goes, he peaked about 5 years ago, but since his micro-fracture surgery he has been just a shadow of his former self. And please refrain from mentioning the triple-doubles in the leastern conference. How many of those he had since he came to the west?
So this trade basically made Dallas older, and didn't really solve anything for them.
Again, Dallas problem is in the post, not in the perimeter. And there were a bunch of very good post players available in the last couple of years: KG, Shaq and Gasol come to mind. Cuban simply didn't have the savvy to get any of them.
Heck, I'm sure you could make a good bid for Al Jefferson right now and you know the guy is a premier post player with a great upside.
IMHO, at this point, the only one you can point fingers at is really Cuban.
You are just same as typical Rocket fan like say most fan have no basketball mind. Spanoulis is great player and it really not matter what stupid coach or fan think. Just like it not matter Manu draft as 57 player in NBA draft.
NBA is so "smart" they think Manu only good enough be 2nd last player be draft.
Could you please take this junk discussion somewhere else? Maybe start another thread?
Thank you.
Dirk is not use right way either by dumb coach.
I'd be really happy if the Mavs went after Elton Brand. He could probably be had for much cheaper than Jefferson because of Jefferson's age and upside.
I not start such thing. They say I can have no opinion on any such talks because I believe Spanoulis good player so this mean I can have no opinion on any NBA talks. Problem not me but some others here make such stupid statement.
Supposedly he wants to go to Miami. But if he can be had, Cuban better be offering everything but Dirk to get him.
That's another good option. I'd like to see what he looks like after coming back from that achilles injury, but all in all, he's a pretty savvy player.
Why is Avery trying to change potential HOF players? Dirk will never be a dominant post guy, it's not b/c he's "unwilling" to it's b/c it's not his game. Kidd will never flourish in an ISO heavy offense where the defense is able to sag off him continually and dare him to shoot. IMO, maybe Avery should change his system to work around his players, instead of trying to mold Dirk into a poor man's Duncan and Kidd into a poor man's Nash.
If The Mavs are smart, they will uproot their roster this offseason, they're not ever going to win with Dampier as their only C and Stackhouse as their starting SG, not to mention Avery as the coach.
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