Doctor shot in stone oak

[peewee's lovechild]

You are right about that. Obviously, he already had his mind made up, someone was going to die. But that just factors in another variable: Would someone be more likely to intervene if the assailant was holding a rock? I still think at the very moment, most people wouldn't stop to make a choice, they would just intervene. That being right, wrong, smart or stupid!

Well, good luck to them.

I'm going to make sure I make ever right decision to make my daughter safe.

Nothing is more important than that.
And, than means making sure I'm alive to always protect her.

[mrsmaalox]

My guess is, most of the people are just playing the vigilante role, when in all actuality, they'd keep their distance. And probably none of these people have ever actually BEEN in a situation that calls for it, so they don't have - but it just looks better to say that they'd be a hero.

Oh, I don't think anyone here is saying they would intervene because they want to be a hero. I think everyone is stating what they think they would actually do. But at that very moment, who really knows? I honestly don't know what i would do. But I'm pretty sure if I saw a gun, I would definitely take it into consideration first.

[BacktoBasics]

There's a difference between being OK with it, and understanding why a person didn't intervene. My responsibility is to my wife and my family. Not being there for them is a failure of that responsibility. I didn't sign up to be everybody's hero.

Now, in the case of Julie, the guy confronted her as she was going to her car, and shot her three times. At what point do you not intervene? When you see a knife? When you see a gun? Do you still intervene when weapons are present?

My guess is, most of the people are just playing the vigilante role, when in all actuality, they'd keep their distance. And probably none of these people have ever actually BEEN in a situation that calls for it, so they don't have - but it just looks better to say that they'd be a hero.

100% ing agree.

I got my ass ripped up and down on these pages for having what is likely the same set of beliefs and values the rest of you people here.

[King]

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[mrsmaalox]

100% ing agree.

I got my ass ripped up and down on these pages for having what is likely the same set of beliefs and values the rest of you people here.

You sure did!! But remember that was when everyone still thought she had intervened in a domestic dispute. Now that the facts are out, not so many villagers out with pitchforks and torches.

[BacktoBasics]

You sure did!! But remember that was when everyone still thought she had intervened in a domestic dispute. Now that the facts are out, not so many villagers out with pitchforks and torches.

Yeah it never seemed to register that I agreed with everyone about her having no choice in the matter once it was thought or determined that she was in fact a full blown victim of chance not choice.

[Melmart1]

100% ing agree.

I got my ass ripped up and down on these pages for having what is likely the same set of beliefs and values the rest of you people here.

You got your ass ripped more because you came off like a jackass than for the point you were trying to make. Occasionally you have really good points, but you present your point in such an inflammatory way that it gets lost. I suspect you do it on purpose to get your jollies off, though I could be wrong.

And the only point I was trying to make is that those who mind their own business, that is your prerogative ... just don't cry foul when its someone you love and nobody stopped to help. Because I have personally seen that happen before. That's all.

[peewee's lovechild]

And the only point I was trying to make is that those who mind their own business, that is your prerogative ... just don't cry foul when its someone you love and nobody stopped to help. Because I have personally seen that happen before. That's all.

I get what you're saying.

But, would you intervene if there was a probability of you dying?

[BacktoBasics]

I suspect you do it on purpose to get your jollies off, though I could be wrong.

I haven't gotten my jollies off since the mid 90's

[Melmart1]

I get what you're saying.

But, would you intervene if there was a probability of you dying?

Can't say for sure, but I am fairly sure I would at least call the police. I can't beleive there are people who wouldn't do at least that. I understand not physically intervening ... I get that. But not calling the police? It's anonymous, what the kind of harm can that do?

[peewee's lovechild]

Can't say for sure, but I am fairly sure I would at least call the police. I can't beleive there are people who wouldn't do at least that. I understand not physically intervening ... I get that. But not calling the police? It's anonymous, what the kind of harm can that do?

That's exactly what I posted earlier!

When I posted that, I was called a pussy.
(Not by you, mind you.)

I wouldn't be able to live with myself if I knew that I was too much of a pussy to not intervene and the women getting beat up died or something. That's just me.

Calling the cops isn't going to do any good if the situation calls for immediate attention.

Same thing if a house was burning down and I heard a women/man shouting for help.

What the was all that?

I like how people think they'd be like Rambo in a situation like that.
The truth is quite the opposite.

[Ronaldo McDonald]

That's a stupid ass bull statement.

And, by the way, America stood by silently while Hitler slowly took control of Eurpoe.

But, anyway, you make powerful statements that the great debaters of our time can hardly counter.

Yea, we did, and it's a big part of the reason why a lot of my ancestors didn't live. And I think that's bull . We stood pat fora long time while millions of jews/gays/everyone else were rounded up and killed.

Why is it a stupid ass bull statement?

[Ronaldo McDonald]

That's exactly what I posted earlier!

When I posted that, I was called a pussy.
(Not by you, mind you.)






What the was all that?

I like how people think they'd be like Rambo in a situation like that.
The truth is quite the opposite.

Who are you to tell me how I'd act in certain situations?

[peewee's lovechild]

Yea, we did, and it's a big part of the reason why a lot of my ancestors didn't live. And I think that's bull . We stood pat fora long time while millions of jews/gays/everyone else were rounded up and killed.

Why is it a stupid ass bull statement?

Comparing the atrocities of war with not wanting to get killed while two people are having it out is a stupid ass bull statement.

[peewee's lovechild]

Who are you to tell me how I'd act in certain situations?

Who the are you to call me a pussy when I want to make sure I keep myself safe for my family?

[CuckingFunt]

Who the are any of us to decide that there's only one right way to act in that situation?

I can't in good conscience condemn someone who decides that their own life, or especially being around to take care of their children, is an important consideration in a potentially dangerous environment. At the same time, however, I can't condemn someone who risks their own life, and risks not being there for their children, in the pursuit of helping or protecting someone who is being harmed.

[BacktoBasics]

Who are you to tell me how I'd act in certain situations?

I'm more interested as to where you draw the line with your own life.

If a guy was beating down a cat or rabbit would you jump in and try to stop him? What if the guy was shooting at anthills with his .45? Would you save the ants? What about fisherman and shrimpers? The list could go on.

[Ronaldo McDonald]

Comparing the atrocities of war with not wanting to get killed while two people are having it out is a stupid ass bull statement.

If everyone in the United States took your point of view there would be no cops, no firemen, no soldiers.

If everyone said "I'm not going to intervene because my familly is the #1 priority", we'd let whatever threatens us w/ death blow right by without giving a .

[Ronaldo McDonald]

I'm more interested as to where you draw the line with your own life.

If a guy was beating down a cat or rabbit would you jump in and try to stop him? What if the guy was shooting at anthills with his .45? Would you save the ants? What about fisherman and shrimpers? The list could go on.

okay, that was funny.

[BacktoBasics]

If everyone in the United States took your point of view there would be no cops, no firemen, no soldiers.

If everyone said "I'm not going to intervene because my familly is the #1 priority", we'd let whatever threatens us w/ death blow right by without giving a .

I think you're making a serious mistake comparing the two.

Soldiers, fireman, cops....public servers do their jobs with backup and training and because its their calling in life or the benefits are good and they can swing an ax. Its just not the same its not that black and white.

[Ronaldo McDonald]

I agree with cuckingfunt. She's (yea, she) looking at it with some objectivity, and I'll admit that none of us have the answers to these questions.

[Ronaldo McDonald]

I think you're making a serious mistake comparing the two.

Soldiers, fireman, cops....public servers do their jobs with backup and training and because its their calling in life or the benefits are good and they can swing an ax. Its just not the same its not that black and white.

It is. forget the money, the benefits, training - the possibility of dying is still there, especially with the amount of cases they are confronted with on a daily basis.

They're making the neccessary sacrifices (familly) to help others. bottom line.

the only diff is they are willing to sacrifice and others are not.

[BacktoBasics]

It is. forget the money, the benefits, training - the possibility of dying is still there, especially with the amount of cases they are confronted with on a daily basis.

They're making the neccessary sacrifices (familly) to help others. bottom line.

the only diff is they are willing to sacrifice and others are not.

You can't discount the money, benefits, training and so forth. Its a job they do it all day long and thats how they survive and feed their family. I'm sure if the police force cut their pay in half you'd a load less cops because the risk out weighs the reward. They don't it all for the love of being a good human being some do but to most its a job and way to survive.

Volunteer Fireman would be the exception and look at how few of them there are....and even get paid a little. And get training and so forth.

This is why we don't live in a world full of human superhero's. They don't get paid for it. For them the reward and job out weigh the risk.

[JoeChalupa]

Can't say for sure, but I am fairly sure I would at least call the police. I can't beleive there are people who wouldn't do at least that. I understand not physically intervening ... I get that. But not calling the police? It's anonymous, what the kind of harm can that do?

I concur. I've asked myself the "what would I have done" question many times. And the answer is always, "I just don't know".

[Ronaldo McDonald]

You can't discount the money, benefits, training and so forth. Its a job they do it all day long and thats how they survive and feed their family. I'm sure if the police force cut their pay in half you'd a load less cops. They don't it all for the love of being a good human being some do but to most its a job and way to survive.

Volunteer Fireman would be the exception and look at how few of them their are....and even get paid a little. And get training and so forth.

This is why we don't live in a world full of human superhero's. They don't get paid for it. For them the reward and job out weigh the risk.

Yea, but from what I understand about your POV, familly is numero 1. Which means it supercedes money, training etc - because the mere possbiltiy of losing your life an leaving familly behind isn't worth the money or any of the factors (like training) that make the possibility of this happening less likely.

I'm saying that if eveyone thought that way, we'd have no cops, firemen, soldiers etc.