Kidd Trade - Good or bad?

[mavsfan1000]

What are you talking about, the Bulls won that series last year.

I was talking about Mavs/Heat but yeah it felt good seeing the Heat getting sweeped.

[DaDakota]

And one day you'll write a sig that makes sense.

Maybe one day when you get older you will be able to comprehend it. I will leave it up for you in hopes that you reach that day before your first armpit hair comes in...

[cue the cursing]

DD

[monosylab1k]

Maybe one day when you get older you will be able to comprehend it.

Maybe one day when you get a brain you'll see the problem with writing a cliche that only works in the auditory realm.

[DaDakota]

Maybe one day when you get a brain you'll see the problem with writing a cliche that only works in the auditory realm.

Or maybe that people can understand a joke if they are above your junior high intellect.

DD

[monosylab1k]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Rivers_of_Egypt

Can't find Denial anywhere on that list.

[monosylab1k]

Or maybe that people can understand a joke if they are above your junior high intellect.

he doesn't get it!

[mavsfan1000]

29-13 with Harris and Diop playing
13-11 with Kidd. If that's not enough, Harris has a plus/minus ratio of 6.3 in Dallas. Diop has a plus/minus ratio of -.1. Kidd has a plus/minus ratio of 3.5 and Bass has a plus/minus ratio of -11. So now it is pretty obvious why we are not doing as well now. Bass replacing Diop is a much worse subsitution and Harris is a slightly better starter than Kidd.

Yes it is the best stat in basketball to tell if a player is having a positive effect on the game. They play the same position so it is very comparable. Btw I looked up the stats of Harris's team with a full healthy team in January and Kidd's team with a full healthy team up to now. The team with Harris and Diop scored 101.8 per game and gave up 93.4. The team with Kidd scored 103 points and gave up 94.8 points. The team with Kidd feasted on the bad teams in 5 straight games while they couldn't beat the best teams. The teams that actually care about transition defense beat Dallas.

Just though I would bump this as it is getting loss in all the smack talking.

[DaDakota]

lmao he doesn't get it!

Hey kiddo, you forgot to take your OCD medication, remember jokes are sometimes plays on words.....

Oh, never mind little man, your mommy still loves you.........sometimes.

DD

[monosylab1k]

Just though I would bump this as it is getting loss in all the smack talking.

It was a dumb post you should have left it forgotten, Bulls fan.

[DaDakota]

Actually, the opposite is true.

Their chemistry has improved some since a couple of weeks ago, but I still don't see them winning anything in the playoffs.....

Before the trade, I think they could have won it all, not anymore.

DD

[monosylab1k]

remember jokes are sometimes plays on words.....

And sometimes plays on words don't work when they're written rather than spoken.

Maybe I shouldn't have used "audio realm" it's confusing Rocket Troll's brain.

[DaDakota]

And sometimes plays on words don't work when they're written rather than spoken.

Maybe I shouldn't have used "audio realm" it's confusing Rocket Troll's brain.

They work for most people who have a reading comprehension above that of a turnip.

Sorry they don't work for you, maybe Mr. Johnson will let you steer the short bus on occasion.



DD

[Audio 2]

They didn't lose chemistry. Damps a far better contributor now. Dirk is getting better looks. Josh [along with the dirk injury] is actually playing a of a lot better. The support guys KNOW there support guys. And Kidd is a tremendous asset to their defense.

If anything, the chem got way better and the offense began to resemble a 'real' NBA offense. They still have a bit of the iso crap, but thats because you have Dirk and Josh whom are excellent 1 on 1 players. Time and time again its looked like this team just did not have that extra 'oomphf'. And you got that and more with Kidd! You tell me who was the better point guard on the floor this past Sunday ... As the mavs continued to score while the Suns scored 9.

It's about having a true leader on the floor and regardless of whatever you can come up with in determent to Kidd, he is and always will be a true floor leader. Devin wasn't that, and won't be that for a looong time. Talented he is? Yes. But he's no Kidd.

[mavsfan1000]

It was a dumb post you should have left it forgotten, Bulls fan.

It was dumb because it hurts your argument about us being better with Kidd. Sorry about that. I'm not a bulls fan.

[monosylab1k]

They work for most people who have a reading comprehension above that of a turnip.

They don't work for anybody who can read.

It works less because it's such an overused cliche.

[DaDakota]

It's about having a true leader on the floor and regardless of whatever you can come up with in determent to Kidd, he is and always will be a true floor leader. Devin wasn't that, and won't be that for a looong time. Talented he is? Yes. But he's no Kidd.

Ok, this I can understand, but Dirk is the leader of that team, and now you are basically telling him..."Step aside Dirk, you are no leader"

Devin Harris was not meant to be the leader, he was meant to add a dimension to the team to compliment Dirk.....something to take the pressure off of him and make the team better.

I understand where you are coming from, I just disagree with your point of view.

DD

[monosylab1k]

I'm not a bulls fan.

You're not a Mavs fan either.

[monosylab1k]

Dirk is the leader of that team, and now you are basically telling him..."Step aside Dirk, you are no leader"

I guess if he was the leader he'd be offended at the team telling him that.

But since he was basically jumping for joy over the trade, looks like he has no problem with Kidd being a leader as well.

[Allanon]

The Mavs are a much grittier team now with Jason Kidd. In the past, they would have laid down and opened up their legs if they were down. Now, they're fighting with come behind wins (Suns) and hanging tough to the final seconds (both Laker games).

The Mavs are a much tougher bunch right now than before. There offense is MUCH easier to watch now. I don't know how you Mav fans endured all those ISO's with Jason Terry holding the ball for 10 seconds every possession before passing it out. That was some terrible stuff. Mavs are actually moving the ball now.

They still can't "Close" a game yet but they're learning I think.

So in the short run (this year and next), it's a great trade, in the long run it's gonna hurt.

[mavsfan1000]

You're not a Mavs fan either.

Every time you lose a argument, you resort to comments like this. Just admit you are wrong about Dallas being better defensively with Kidd instead of Harris and Diop as my stat proves.

[DaDakota]

I guess if he was the leader he'd be offended at the team telling him that.

But since he was basically jumping for joy over the trade, looks like he has no problem with Kidd being a leader as well.

Link? Show me where he was jumping for joy, over the trade....and if that is the case, and he is that desperate to be led rather than lead, it is still a bad trade because Kidd is way way WAY past his prime.

DD

[monosylab1k]

Just admit you are wrong about Dallas being better defensively with Kidd instead of Harris and Diop as my stat proves.

It doesn't prove anything. Everyone knows the defense is better except for you. I guess it's tough to see when you're trying to catch Bulls games.

[mavsfan1000]

The Mavs are a much grittier team now with Jason Kidd. In the past, they would have laid down and opened up their legs if they were down. Now, they're fighting with come behind wins (Suns) and hanging tough to the final seconds (both Laker games).

The Mavs are a much tougher bunch right now than before. There offense is MUCH easier to watch now. I don't know how you Mav fans endured all those ISO's with Jason Terry holding the ball for 10 seconds every possession before passing it out. That was some terrible stuff. Mavs are actually moving the ball now.

They still can't "Close" a game yet but they're learning I think.

So in the short run (this year and next), it's a great trade, in the long run it's gonna hurt.

Dallas still does that iso stuff. It's Avery's fault for not being a good offensive coach.

[DaDakota]

So in the short run (this year and next), it's a great trade, in the long run it's gonna hurt.

I think this is what Cuban hopes happens, but their record since the trade says otherwise...3-11 against +.500 teams.....with their new leader....

How was Kidd leading New Jersey this year? All that leadership he is oozing and all?

DD

[mavsfan1000]

It doesn't prove anything. Everyone knows the defense is better except for you. I guess it's tough to see when you're trying to catch Bulls games.

Kidd might be slightly better defensively than Harris but it doesn't make up for us having 20 minutes of no center on the court. Our defense is much worse once Dampier comes out of the game. Maybe now you can understand why I think Dallas is better before the trade. Or maybe you'd rather kill yourself than admit you're wrong.