Reply With Quote
Yeah, well I'm relying on empirical facts on the ground, while you're relying on official records that may never be disclosed.
Who's got their head in the clouds here?
If you say so. I find demonstration so much more compelling.
Yeah, well I'm relying on empirical facts on the ground, while you're relying on official records that may never be disclosed.
Who's got their head in the clouds here?
Israel has ing wrecked Gaza and wrecked it so badly more than half the people there have no homes to return to.
The entire population of the whole territory is being deprived of food, water, fuel, electricity, communication, roads and healthcare, while being bombed indiscriminately. Mass famine and disease are imminent, 80% of the population lacks adequate shelter in winter and are crowded together in unsanitary conditions. 1% of the entire population has been killed in less than three months, and 2-3% have been maimed and injured. Many of those have suffered amputations -- without anaesthesia -- because the IDF has wrecked all but 9 out of 45 hospitals.
Agricultural lands have been wasted, international aid has been throttled at the border, and bombed and killed within the border. No one is allowed to leave. Israeli hostages waving white flags and speaking Hebrew have been shot by IDF.
Some of the oldest churches in Christendom have been bombed, and their parishioners killed by snipers. Whole bloodlines going back centuries have been eliminated. Surviving children have no living relatives.
Random captives have been tortured.
Universities, libraries, mosques and municipal archives bombed.
All this is very partial, what's journalistically and officially verified so far is just a fraction of what's already happened.
Last edited by Winehole23; 12-28-2023 at 02:47 AM.
What Hamas did on Oct. 7th was horrific and abominable without qualification, but I don't see how that justifies collective punishment like this.
I know a lot of y'all are cruel and unsympathetic mother ers, so ymmv.
WHATEVER hurts that in the White House is Jake with me.
Armenian Christians in Jerusalem aren't Hamas.
Ditto the West Bank. State aided settler violence is out of control.
I see you lurking, CC. Cat got your tongue?
"The families of hostages are making us look bad, turn off the cameras and strike their remarks."
You can turn 'em off & strike 'em till the cows come home, Winester...you're never going to get to the Jews here to hurt 'em. No way. Ham is going to eat the whole thing...and that's straight from the State Dept., thru CNN.
There will be to pay in Israel when the shooting stops.
CC ducked again
Please.
Official records that may never be disclosed. This won't end well for the war cabinet, the survivors will never shut up.
Might not be long before they're denounced as traitors, and "objectively pro-Hamas"
...that's part & parcel with the Jews. If it ain't this, it's The Holocaust.
I may not fully agree but respect you carrying the Palestine flag in this thread.
In my circle I have both perspectives/arguments. Although I have bias on certain issues, there is nothing I am 100% on in my life time. Whether it be the the Cold War, 9/11, Migrant Crisis, Covid etc. The good & bad of the West is we can ponder & debate every angle.
2023 made me more Pro-West than I might ever been. I'm returning to Europe. We are flawed, we are getting poorer, dumber but I will try my best to prolong - the West is Best. We have experienced greater self destruction and always rebounded. Let's do it again.
I fully agree with the piss pot...&...It's been a boon indeed.
Overall I think we should congratulate the Arabs on staying neutral.
The West was approaching an Era of taking a step back from foreign affairs and now Russia & Gaza happens.
I'd like to see the West go fortress. Close some military bases, reinforce borders, cut down humanitarian aid & heavy vetting on tourism.
We can't nor should we change the World. And some of our attempts only fuel counter measures. But we can control who steps on our soil.
Strong border & residency standards eliminates the need for "hateful rhetoric". We can better support our migrant community.
You will grow old, gray, and you will die before that ever happens.
(They) have it precisely where they want it right now. It ain't goin' nowhere; they're planting and harvesting votes into the 95% Democrat block.
There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)
Posting Permissions
