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    How are we not discussing the 70-odd million Devin Booker just commanded for 2 years?!?!
    It was mentioned a few times and the main thought is this insanity keeps Booker from the Rockets just from the price tag.

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    David Jones has been very impressive from what I’ve seen, has excellent handles seems to have the ball on a string on the dribble. Good vision and passing and finishing at the rim. Looks like a guy worthy of a full roster spot given his age, G-league play, summer league play. 6’3.5 without shoes so about 6’4 - 6’5 in NBA height and 8’4 reach with a solid build, he’s got good size for 2 guard but plays more like a point/combo guard.

    Has shown me way more than Harrison Ingram.

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    So Jalen Williams gets the full SuperMax escalator (which he still must earn this coming season) while Chet gets a partial.

    I do think it is worth point out that because of how the 2026-27 salary cap increase came in at 7% AND how Spotrac is currently forecasting only 5% cap increases after that, even if these players do not hit their escalator clauses, extensions with max Bird raises are now *increasing* contracts as a % of the cap (and beyond 25% for rookie max players).

    The extensions for Paolo, Chet and JWill now look like this as a % of the cap:

    2026-27: 25.00%
    2027-28: 25.71%
    2028-29: 26.30%
    2029-30: 26.78%
    2030:31: 27.15%

    This is something to watch out for with the Spurs and Fox's extension. If he signs a 30% max deal with full 8% Bird Raises, his % of the cap would project to look like this:

    4 years/$222MM

    26-27: $49.6MM 30.0%
    27-28: $53.6MM 30.9%
    28-29: $57.6MM 31.6%
    29-30: $61.6MM 32.1%

    I think it is not likely, but I think there is a small outside chance and I hope this is what Fox and the Spurs agree to: a 8% raise in year 2, then a (max allowable) 10% decline in years 3 and 4 with year 4 being a player option:

    3+1(PO)/$196MM

    26-27: $49.6MM 30.0%
    27-28: $53.6MM 30.9%
    28-29: $48.6MM 26.7%
    29-30: $43.7MM 22.8%

    This would be about as "team friendly" as it can get for the Spurs, while still giving Fox maximum money for the first two years of the deal and giving him a player option to opt out in 2029 when he'll be eligible for a 35% max by virtue of years of service.
    Good stuff Scott. Full 8% raises for Fox on 30% when the cap is likely only going up 5-7% per year does give you some caution. Almost 1/3 of your salary cap on one guy you better hope he’s balling.

    I like your suggestion of the 3+1 with max raise year 2 and then max drops year 3 and 4. Surely Fox team is going to be realistic about his true worth. I would be ok with max raise in year 2, flat for year 3 and then max decline in year 4.

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    New Orleans Pelicans forward Herb Jones has agreed to a three-year, $68 million contract extension with the franchise, Mark Bartelstein and Kieran Piller of @PrioritySports told ESPN. Jones now has a total five years and $97M on his Pelicans deal – with player option in 2029-30

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    Still a great contract for Herb, IMO

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    Thats what Sochan will get, I bet

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    Thats what Sochan will get, I bet
    let‘s hope not, would be a huge mistake. Herb is an All-Defensive team player who can shoot. Jeremy is none of the 2

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    Let's see how ass Herb is without 4 good offensive players around him. Dumars doing a number on that franchise.

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    Still a great contract for Herb, IMO
    Maybe for twice the years

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    Thats what Sochan will get, I bet
    That would be idiotic, unless Sochan breaks out in a major way next season, he'll be lucky to get a NTMLE offer sheet from another team as a RFA. Spurs need to negotiate with their own players like Houston and Atlanta have done.

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    That 2027 season for OKC is going to be insane. SGA, Chet, and JDub extensions will have all kicked in. It's going to be around 85% of the cap

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    let‘s hope not, would be a huge mistake. Herb is an All-Defensive team player who can shoot. Jeremy is none of the 2
    They had a out the same 3 pt percentages last year with Sochan having the higher field goal percentage.
    They grade pretty close across the board tbh. Herb can't do anything but spot up. Sochan is a great screen and roll guy. Herb plays the lanes more, Sochan Iso defense and down low. Sochan averages more points and rebounds. Herb averages one more assist and steal and better free throw percentage. Oddly a lot closer than I thought they were.

    Sochan is 5 years younger.

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    They had a out the same 3 pt percentages last year with Sochan having the higher field goal percentage.
    They grade pretty close across the board tbh. Herb can't do anything but spot up. Sochan is a great screen and roll guy. Herb plays the lanes more, Sochan Iso defense and down low. Sochan averages more points and rebounds. Herb averages one more assist and steal and better free throw percentage. Oddly a lot closer than I thought they were.

    Sochan is 5 years younger.
    you‘re comparing Jones‘ worst season to Sochan‘s best. Jones only played 20 games last year and shot 42% the year before. Jones attempts 3.6 3s, Sochan 1.7. Jones made an NBA All-Defensive team, Sochan never did. Completely different case.

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    That 2027 season for OKC is going to be insane. SGA, Chet, and JDub extensions will have all kicked in. It's going to be around 85% of the cap
    2027: Thunder go over second apron → their 2034 first-round pick gets frozen (can't trade it)

    2028-2031: This is their 4-year window to avoid the worst penalty. They need to stay under the second apron for at least 3 out of these 4 seasons to unfreeze their pick.


    If they succeed: Pick becomes tradeable again after the 2031-32 season


    If they fail (stay over for 2+ years during 2028-2031): Their 2034 pick automatically becomes the 30th pick in the draft, regardless of how bad they are.


    So it's not really about "3 years after" - the pick gets frozen immediately when they go over in 2027. The question is whether they can discipline themselves for 3 out of the next 4 years to avoid losing a potentially valuable lottery pick entirely.


    Pretty brutal penalty system when you think about it. The league really doesn't want teams staying in luxury tax long-term.

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    you‘re comparing Jones‘ worst season to Sochan‘s best. Jones only played 20 games last year and shot 42% the year before. Jones attempts 3.6 3s, Sochan 1.7. Jones made an NBA All-Defensive team, Sochan never did. Completely different case.
    Comparing the same two players that you compared. Jones shoots more because he can't do much else. He has really bad numbers in almost every offensive category but spot up.
    If we're being honest here, Sochan is the better offensive player. The year you're referring to him shooting good is an outlier in comparison to his other years. Outside of that he's never shot above 33%.
    I used statistics and facts to compare them as opposed to this guy got voted by media pundits into a popularity club. Same club that has Gobert over Wemby for DPOY btw.
    Saying it's a completely different case is just silly.

    I'm sure you just didn't realize they were statistically so similar. Herb is also 5 years older. I'll point that out again because I have no doubt Sochan will be much better in 5 years.

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    Amir Coffey es. Lets sign him and Garcia

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    Herb Jones shoots a higher number of attempts regardless. What exactly does Sochan do offensively? He has 0 offensive game, the only thing he can do is cut and that's the easiest thing to do. I get it that you have a hard on for Sochan, but he won't get anything close to Herb Jones money.

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    LeBron James reportedly felt the Lakers didn’t fully value everything he had done while shifting focus to Luka Dončić, per @ramonashelburne
    & @WindhorstESPN
    “James understood the Lakers taking advantage of an opportunity to pivot to the younger superstar. But from James' perspective, sources said, nuance was sometimes lost during the transition. Doncic had never asked to be a Laker. James, for his part, had chosen L.A., coming in 2018 when the team had missed the playoffs five consecutive seasons, the worst run for the franchise since it moved from Minneapolis. Two years later, James had helped deliver a 17th championship.”
    All signs point to the Lakers wanting to move on from LeBron James by the spring of 2026, per @ramonashelburne
    & @WindhorstESPN
    “The Lakers had already made their statement in not offering James a contract beyond this season. It was abundantly clear that the 21-time All-Star's time as the face of the Lakers had, for the first time, a planned end date, even if James' record-setting NBA career did not yet. Whether the 2025-26 season is to be James' final season in the NBA is up to him. But if he wanted the kind of Hollywood ending that only the Lakers can give legends of the game, the release date was set. Spring, 2026. Luka Doncic in, LeBron James out.”
    LeUnderappreciated.

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    Herb Jones shoots a higher number of attempts regardless. What exactly does Sochan do offensively? He has 0 offensive game, the only thing he can do is cut and that's the easiest thing to do. I get it that you have a hard on for Sochan, but he won't get anything close to Herb Jones money.
    He’s the biggest Sochan fan on the board and insists that Sochan has finally fixed his shot after the 4th year of completely rehauling it. Somehow Jones being able to make 3s is bad for a 3&D player in his book.

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    Bid Daddy passing on his offer from Greece and will play for Denver. So… we’re back to getting skull ed by Val.

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    Herb Jones shoots a higher number of attempts regardless. What exactly does Sochan do offensively? He has 0 offensive game, the only thing he can do is cut and that's the easiest thing to do. I get it that you have a hard on for Sochan, but he won't get anything close to Herb Jones money.
    He's literally averages more PPG and RPG every year of their careers.

    Once again, I use facts to come to conclusions over repressed emotions and misery. Get outside, go for a walk, read a book. You'll dislike yourself less.

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    He’s the biggest Sochan fan on the board and insists that Sochan has finally fixed his shot after the 4th year of completely rehauling it. Somehow Jones being able to make 3s is bad for a 3&D player in his book.
    This is because I said he's improving. I never said Jones being able to make 3s was bad. I did point out he's only shot above 33% once in his career. Facts. Statistics. These help separate emotions and immaturity on takes.

    Go do some volunteer hours to feel better about yourself.

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    This is because I said he's improving. I never said Jones being able to make 3s was bad. I did point out he's only shot above 33% once in his career. Facts. Statistics. These help separate emotions and immaturity on takes.

    Go do some volunteer hours to feel better about yourself.
    Weird take bc you highly insinuated that Sochan was better bc all Jones knows how to do is shoot 3s. In 20
    games last year he made 3 less threes than Sochan did and that was him injured. Shooting percentage doesn’t really matter as much as volume AND shooting percentage. There’s a reason why NBA stats don’t include players who shoot beneath a certain amount of free throws. Plenty of players go 12/12 or 20/21 and they aren’t leaders in those statistical categories.

    So here’s a stat for you. Sochan made a career low in the number of 3s in a season. He made less than his rookie year when he shot a lower percentage. He made 28 threes last season. How is that improvement? A career low is improvement? And this is a fact. A statistic. No emotions in it at all. Any rebuttal in favor of Sochan shooting a career low would be immature and emotional.

    Also doesn’t Herb Jones start for his team? And Sochan is a bench player yes? So why are you comparing a bench player to a starter? Why would a bench player make the same amount as a starter? We should compare him to other bench players. Sochan should be compared to other bench players. Yubusule has similar stats to Sochan and is making 5 million a year. Sochan should be in that area as well.

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    25 years ago. Should be a San Antonio holiday tbh. We'll forever be indebted to Doc Rivers' dumbass for completely blowing his opportunity to steal Timmy away from us in 2000.


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    if a player gave an interview like that today. signs a 5 year deal, says he'll keep going for "another couple of years" and figure out whats gonna happen

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