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Barnes could probably rehab PW's game by himself in one season together. I could live with this, especially if PW has the potential to become even a medium IQ player.
For only one yr left on Collins' deal, I personally don't feel Williams is worth it and would just clog up the rotation and limit growth in the future regarding cap space. Let him stay someone else's problem who feel his potential will be reached someday.
Correction: After rereading with the draft protections lifted, it's definitely something to consider. Definitely would be worth it if they were to clean house. Also less likely they'd even consider the trade since main reason to do so would be to keep their pick. Good idea though.
Barnes could probably rehab PW's game by himself in one season together. I could live with this, especially if PW has the potential to become even a medium IQ player.
I'd consider it if they lower the protections to top3 over next 3 years.
Some teams ruin players, just think of Lauri's tenure there.
I'm not saying Williams can become an all-star, but he can certainly do way better than what we're seeing now.
Career 40% 3pt shooter on 3 attempts.
If he can be at 36-38% on 4 to 5 attempts while being a solid defender, that wouldn't be too bad of a deal for us.
I think we could certainly trade up to #5-7 range with 3 FRPs available.
(I know noone would take three '25 FRPs, but we could push some back and then trade.)
I guess it all depends on '25 draft and if there's a wing PATFO wants to get.
As of right now our future wing rotation has just Jeremy with Barnes being a veteran. Others are non-factors.
We need to get rid of Keldon and get two wings this summer.
Bucks made Middleton and Portis available.
Middleton has one more year left after this one, $34M.
Portis also has one more year, $13M.
I wonder if PATFO has any interest in those two.
Bucks might just be dumb enough to take Keldon.
Still pining for the KJ/Zollins for Lavine swap with the Bulls getting their own pick back. I would love to add Vuch to this deal with the Spurs adding Barnes and the 25ATL pick top four protected. If the ATL pick doesn't convey the Bulls get two or three second rounders and the deal is closed.
No Patrick Williams swap. Too many years. Bulls will ride that one out like the Nets and Ben Simmons.
No Lonzo Ball either. Cant shoot and would be unplayable with Castle or Sochan.
I don't know much about Patrick Williams' shot diet, but it's wild that he shoots .366 from 3 this season but only .377 overall. His 3PAr is only 54.3% - so it's not like he ONLY takes 3s (by comparison, Champ's 3PAR is 73.5%, so it's not like Williams is strictly a 3P shooter). He's 37th percentile in Crafted DPM, so not a horrible defender.
I'm curious in this Patrick Williams situation, I'm kind of intrigued if he could come attached with some real juice in terms of compensation.
Giving up on Champ as a bench wing already?
Of course not, I just subconsciously think of him as a guard because of those Devin/Champ debates.
Castle/?
Devin/Champ
?/?
Barnes/Jeremy
Wemby/?
That would be my roster for the next season before any moves.
Champ can slide down to SF if needed.
Ideally we draft a wing and get a legit wing starter in FA or via trade, we went over the potential targets many times.
If CP3 wants to play another year with the Spurs it would be nice. If not, we need a point guard.
And obviously a servicable Wemby backup.
Gotcha. I definitely don't see Champ as a guard at all. He's wholly incapable of any kind of ball handling duties. He's pretty textbook 3&D wing, IMO.
Also don't think Castle is a PG unless paired with another combo guard, but that's a discussion for another day.
I agree w/both of these takes. Overall, I see Spurs going into the offseason looking for a PG whether that's in the draft or if they somehow trade for young one before trade deadline. It's hard to forecast w/the current team structure and not knowing what CP wants to do ultimately. We all know Spurs love the old PGs so it's not a crazy thought to see CP returning next year as well.
I see him as a budget Danny.
He doesn't have any handles, but he's got textbook shooter's movement, more of a role thing.
Can be included in trade discussions, tbh.Also don't think Castle is a PG unless paired with another combo guard, but that's a discussion for another day.
It's relevant because certain types would fit better with Castle.
Castle won't be a traditional point guard, but I think he'd be passable with another creator that's also not a floor general.
Ideally we get a point forward, but those are very rare.
And if we can't get one, Castle and Devin can't start together.
This Jakucionis kid seems like a perfect fit for Castle, but no chance we get him.
a) i dont believe the bulls would trade white
b) if they do, theyre going to want multiple first rounders. getting him for salary + 1 first round pick + seconds is not going to work
c) if they do, theyre not going to give a about their protected FRP. the whole point of blowing it up including trading your best young player is to bottom out. if they are picking outside the top 10 (or 8 in future years), then blowing it up doesnt make sense
d) i like the malik monk comparison quite a bit. i think monk is more dynamic/shifty an athlete which makes him a more dynamic pick and roll threat, but they are both really good scoring/passing combo guards with subpar defense. at least they are both consistently good and productive on offense, enough to offset their defense. i was emphatically in favor of going after monk in free agency. white would be a strong fit as well, as i think castle stands to benefit playing alongside a combo guard who is a major shooting threat
e) malik monk's 4/78 contract is an absolute steal. he signed for well below what his market value should have been and didnt even test free agency. i wouldnt assume you could extend white on a comparable deal
Yeah, one of my favorite things about the idea of Castle as part of the core we are building around is the flexibility he gives us in building out the rest of team. It's not like we have a position "locked in" with him that forces us to miss out on good players because "we already have a PG/SG". Fox is available? Great fit with Castle. Derrick White is available? Great fit with Castle. Jakucionis is there to draft? Great pick with Castle. We lucked into the #2 pick and can take Dylan Harper? Great fit with Castle. All you can have is Coby White? Well , but at least it's a good fit with Castle!
The same can be said about Sochan. He easily can slide between the 3 or the 4, so long as the other guy can shoot. The flexibility of both of these guys is really a huge asset for us as we continue to build out the roster.
your mom is a great fit with castle
For what it's worth (which is close to nothing), my Trade Compensation Model says Coby has a Compensation Score anywhere between 23 and 28, depending on how you value his current contract. That would equate to 1 FRP + seconds + salary (for comparison, Jak's CompScore when we sent him to TOR was 28).
My mom's defense is pretty bad these days.
RIP, Mom.
Good comp. At least Danny could throw inbound passes though.
champ is a better ballhandler than danny was. i know thats not saying much, but ive seen champagnie use the pump to get to the rim this year more than ive ever seen Danny do
Yeah, Champ is brainfart prone.
But he's still young and lost a couple of years in development before he found his place.
I treat his contract as a rookie deal, two more years left on it. He'll be 24 at the start of next season.
Danny became a regular rotation member at 24.
One of the issues with our roster is that most of them are somewhat undefined in their roles.
When a player doesn't have star potential, trying to develop him out of his comfort zone often results in regression.
Happened with Jeremy's point guard experiment. Also somewhat happened with trying to develop Devin into more of a creator.
Champ's role is defined and I believe he can become a long-term piece that fits any style.
Catch and shoot, cut, play solid defense, get some rebounds, don't overthink when you have the ball, perfect role player.
Ironically, the problem with Castle and Sochan is that they don't fit with each other.
Indeed!
I'd do that deal in half a heartbeat..
look if the price to get him is returning the bulls pick and adding some seconds, id do that yesterday
His contract is the issue. One year left, if he doesn't want to take a team-friendly extension, he's not worth it.
what do you think he'd be seeking? "good starter" money these days is at or around 30mil lol
There are always dumb GMs around the league.
I'd say he'd be worth around ~20 per year, I don't want to pay another SG while Devin is on the roster.
Yeah, Coby is technically a PG, but a score first one.
Unless it's a legit star like Fox, I'd focus all my attention to sorting out our forward issues.
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