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Newsflash: mexico is out of the world cup, thus should be out of this thread.
I believe Mexio doesn't bring all their best players to the world cup. They could field a much stronger team than they do.
There is a lot of dirty politics in Mexico in even choosing the world cup team. They should be better than they are and should go much further in the world cup than they usually do.
And its not an issue of not having enough talented players like it is in the USA.
Newsflash: mexico is out of the world cup, thus should be out of this thread.
no game today. they are bored. let them be.Newsflash: mexico is out of the world cup, thus should be out of this thread.
Great, this er is gonna be the ref for Argentina vs. Germany:
He's the one who refd Brazil vs. Ghana. Looks like fifa wants Germany vs. Brazil final. germany vs. brazil = $$
You said that it didn't get exposure, thats not true.
Its not a public channel, no foreign league gets public channel coverage, plus cable TV has a huge base in Argentina, more than 50% of the people.
Its true that we don't follow the Mexican league as much as the Spanish, Italian or English leagues. And why do you think that is?
Here in the states they feed us ty Mexican futbol all day long. I'm ing sick of it and its mediocrity
Germany 2
Argentina 3
Brazil 3
France 1
Italy 2
Ukraine 0
Upset Special
England 2
Portugal 1 (Deco out; Ronaldo maybe = loss)
Last edited by Spurologist; 06-28-2006 at 02:03 PM.
Fifa will help germany advance and England over Portugal aint an upset.
That's bull .Great, this er is gonna be the ref for Argentina vs. Germany:
He's the one who refd Brazil vs. Ghana. Looks like fifa wants Germany vs. Brazil final. germany vs. brazil = $$
Fifa
the alternative is Ukraine over Italy. I don't think so.
Why not 2-1 for Brazil? Our defeat would be less painful ....
moreover, it will be a Spanish referee
Expect many of these
That might be the er
ER
Argentina 2 - Germany 1.
France 2 - Brazil 1.
Italy 2 - Ukraine 0.
Portugal 1 - England 0.
Brazil is just too good.
Why not 2-1 for Brazil? Our defeat would be less painful ....
moreover, it will be a Spanish referee
1. Brasil is faster and much younger
2. More talent
3. Will be angry after losing in 98
C'est possible. For France to have a chance
1. Zidane needs to play at world class level
2. Barthez needs to make some great saves
3. Thuram and Gallas have to play better than ever
4. Ribery has to keep playing great.
5. Henry has to score at least twice. He needs better service and stay onside.
why? according to you, Mexico's league pays well enough, and its full of star talent. They could go to Mexico... oh wait, I forgot, everybody discriminates against Mexico right?
I think that is bull , I think any Mexican player with serious talent would give anything to go play in Europe. The fact that most don't has less to do with racism than the fact they can't cut it, but I guess its easier for you to cry discrimination instead of facing the fact that you have no real stars.2) The Brazilian league doesn't pay well... Brazilian star players therefore have a clear goal of playing in Europe... Mexicans don't (at least not from the start) plus let's not forget the fact that Brasilians are more talented than anyone else.
Apples and Oranges...
ah I see, our superstars did nothing, and your team made it look easy huh? Then why couldn't they score the winning goal?Contradiction anyone??? You can't say you respect Mexican fútbol and then turnaround (much like your fellow countryman LaVolpe) and say Mexico does not have star talent. It's either one or the other you can't have it both ways... Your superstars did nothing against Mexico... absolutely nothing... it took a miraculous goal by Maxi to bail you all out... Our defenders constantly stole the ball from your midfielders and strikers and made it look easy...
Newsflash, Argentina shot 11 times at the goal with 5 of those shots on target, while Mexico shot 12 and had only 3 on goal. Argentina also has 6 corner kicks to Mexico's 5, 8 offsides to Mexico's 2 (which includes a disallowed goal that wasn't offside). Not only that but we had 51% ball possesion to Mexico's 49%. Its hilarious how all of a sudden, Mexico kicked our ass, and yet Argentina won by luck... pfff.
I agree Mexico played an excellent game, and that they are an excellent team (team being the important word here), with no superstars.
With regards to your this comment, I believe el 'Chelito' Delgado and Walter Gaitan are both better than Cambiasso. But they get less consideration because they don't play in Europe or in your league.... and much of that stems from the lack of exposure of the Mexican league with the Argentinean public... In the end though, it's Pekerman's decision... not the people's... whatever...funny ass ! So you determine who is better or who is worse huh? You can believe whatever you want but that doesn't make it so. Cambiasso is ten times the player Gaitan is, and although Chelito Delgado is good, I still wouldn't put him above el 'cucho'. By the way Chelito Delgado used to play on our league remember? what happened to his "exposure" then?
its because us Argies don't like Mexicans danyel, if you don't believe me, ask hegamboa
Last edited by MaNuMaNiA; 06-28-2006 at 03:25 PM.
Klose: Argentina unlucky to draw the hosts
Klose, displaying the confidence of a player who has already scored four goals at these finals, recognised Argentina as a top team but said Germany would triumph on Friday in Berlin.
'We're not nervous about this game,' Klose told a news conference. 'Argentina were the favourites to win the World Cup but now they've had the bad luck to be drawn against us.'
Argentina were made favourites after beating Ivory Coast 2-1 in a high-quality match and then lifting their game to an even higher level in a memorable 6-0 win over Serbia & Montenegro.
They drew 0-0 with Netherlands to clinch top spot in Group C before beating Mexico 2-1 in extra time in the second round.
Germany have also scored 10 goals and conceded two but their passage has been even smoother, with four straight victories over Costa Rica, Poland, Ecuador and Sweden.
'We know we have a good opportunity to beat them,' Klose said. 'They're a good team but if we press them for the full 90 minutes they will make mistakes. It's then up to us to exploit them.'
Klose scored five at the last World Cup but his all-round play has been even better this time.
He scored twice against Costa Rica, got two more against Ecuador and set up both goals for strike partner Lukas Podolski in the commanding 2-0 win over Sweden in the second round.
'I'm on top of my game and I want to prove it,' the 28-year-old said. 'I have certain goals at this tournament and I'm glad I'm reaching them. I'm very ambitious.
'Argentina are a top team at this tournament but it's just unlucky for them that they have to play us.'
West Germany and Argentina met in the 1986 and 1990 World Cup finals. Argentina lifted the trophy when they won the first showdown 3-2 in Mexico, with the Germans gaining revenge with a 1-0 win in the showpiece match in Italy four years later.
Damn, the italian team has more drama than the godfather parts 1-3...
Italian ex-star attempts suicide
ITALY’S World Cup squad was in turmoil last night after a former star player threw himself from a building.
Gianluca Pessetto, 35 — Juventus general manager — leapt from his office in Turin, Italy, clutching rosary beads.
He is in a serious condition in hospital with severe multiple fractures after two parked cars broke his 30ft fall.
Italy captain Fabio Cannavaro left a press conference yesterday in tears on hearing the news. The team were already under pressure after being accused of knocking Australia out of the World Cup by cheating to gain a last-minute penalty.
Players were being quizzed over the result when news of the incident broke.
Dad-of-two Mr Pessetto was not implicated in accusations of match-fixing that have recently dogged the sport in Italy.
Members of the squad flew to visit him in hospital yesterday. Italy face Ukraine in the quarter-finals on Friday.
on that note...
Thai killed in Italy v Australia penalty brawl
BANGKOK, June 28 (Reuters) - A dispute about the last minute penalty which put Italy through to the World Cup quarter-finals at the expense of Australia ended with one Thai soccer fan killing another, a newspaper reported on Wednesday.
Italian fan Saran Channarong stabbed Australia supporter Rabieb Lukchan twice after Rabieb insisted the referee had been biased in giving Italy the penalty which was converted by Francesco Totti with the last kick of the game for a 1-0 win, the newspaper said.
The two men had been drinking as they watched Sunday's game at a grocery shop in the southern province of Nakohn Si Thammarat, the Daily News newspaper quoted police as saying.
Rabieb, 45, died in hospital and police were looking for 20-year-old Saran, it said.
A Nakohn Si Thammarat police officer confirmed the fatal dispute had been World Cup related, but could not confirm details of the quarrel.
watch the "penalty"
http://www.geekzone.co.nz/blog.asp?blogid=22&postid=744
ITALY!!!
yeh screw Italy.......
i hope Ukraine springs an upset coz the Italians dont even deserve to be in the final 8
Really does every single argument have to be in complete absolutes for you? It's tiring, childish... and frankly, that's the most annoying thing to have to put up with when entering a discussion with you. geez. Settle down.why? according to you, Mexico's league pays well enough, and its full of star talent. They could go to Mexico... oh wait, I forgot, everybody discriminates against Mexico right?]
As for the Africans... The Mexican league is not a practical option for them much like the Japanese or Australian leagues wouldn't be or for that matter the MLS... Mexico has a stringent quota for foreigners which they typically use for players from spanish-speaking countries --- go figure (and like everywhere else, Brazilians are the exception to that tendency)... Furthermore, the teams are now being subjected to another recent stipulation that requires young (<20 yo) Mexican footballers play a minimum number of minutes per season... which further reduces the percentage of time that foreigners could play in any given game... But that's not to say Mexican teams have never fielded or will never field African players...
First off, who's crying?? -- you blow things out of proportion so quickly in order to suit your arguments... its rather disgusting.
Most children in Mexico don't know enough about the European powerhouses, Real, Arsenal, Manchester United, Inter, Bayern, Ajax, etc... to dream of getting there. They grow up fans of their local teams.... Those that do make it, then aspire to something greater.
So a team 'without' any stars can 'play' against the Germany's the Brazils and the Argentina's of the footballing world and not get the living daylights knocked out of them... interesting notion, but no.... How about you give some of the players a little more credit??? Oh that's right, that's why you wanted me to credit LaVolpe... you would credit him... go figure.
I hate playing the 'if' game, but 'if' Blanco had been on that squad... your team would have been the odd man out... But because LaVolpe couldn't put his childish ego aside, he ended up hurting his chances... ohh but his son-in-law just had to be on the team... pathetic... or should I say political.
Note I said Mexico's DEFENDERS.... our offense was about as futile as yours.
Nevertheless by your logic, Argentina's so called 'superstars' should be able to run circles around Mexico's mediocre players... so either your superstars are not really super, or you would need to deservedly credit Mexico's players. Which is it??? I know you will refuse to do the latter... And unfortunately, I realize that I can't really substantiate anything I've said in this thread until Mexico can prove it with a victory. But it won't be long before Mexico knocks Argentina off of some tournament... it's coming. Mexico's U-17 World Championship is a positive sign of that.
Oh and the stats you pointed out don't paint the complete picture... Argentina started making time after Maxi's goal and swung the possesion percentage around... but during the regulation period Mexico played at their tempo... not Argentina's. And I can think of about 3 plays that would have ended with Mexican shots on goal that were instead killed by desperation Argentinean fouls... The Scaloni one on Zinha was atrocious (after he had zig-zaged through 5 Argentineans) as was the Heinz foul on Castro...
True... that is a matter of opinion, I won't deny it. But I'm not saying this to suit my argument... I honestly believe Gaitan and Delgado to be better players than Cambiasso... Also, I seriously doubt that you have seen enough of Gaitan's play lately to even compare the two objectively.I agree Mexico played an excellent game, and that they are an excellent team (team being the important word here), with no superstars.
And you very well know that an important aspect of a player's exposure also includes a 'what have you done for me lately' attribute. Argentina doesn't get it with Chelito anymore... which is why he has faded from their preference... and not because somehow he has lost his talent, at the prime of his career no less.
Some are arrogant, pretentious, pompous, cretino jerks.... but that's true of many humans irregardless of nationality... Besides, we'd been over that before, and it was a matter of who my family and myself were exposed to... I had already apologized for making a general comment where one wasn't warranted... but thanks for pouring salt on previous wounds -- you're good for that.its because us Argies don't like Mexicans danyel, if you don't believe me, ask hegamboa
As an example of what I mean... compare Manu and Maradona.... who has the most agreeble personality? Most of the people I'd met were of the Maradona type, but like Manu there are many respectful and humble Argentineans... I just hadn't met enough of them. And your personal example certainly doesn't help.
Last edited by hegamboa; 06-28-2006 at 04:09 PM.
Is anyone else going through World Cup withdrawal today?Only the fact that the Argentina-Germany clash of the ans is coming up first thing on Friday makes the wait bearable.
yep, sucks to have no games for 2 days after Tuesday's excitement.
no, thats right not everybody, just the powers that be in Europe, right?
damn, fine, not crying, ing... better?First off, who's crying?? -- you blow things out of proportion so quickly in order to suit your arguments... its rather disgusting.
no, I give the team the credit. Mexico plays outsanding team football, but their individual players apparently are not good enough to make it in the European leagues.So a team 'without' any stars can 'play' against the Germany's the Brazils and the Argentina's of the footballing world and not get the living daylights knocked out of them... interesting notion, but no.... How about you give some of the players a little more credit??? Oh that's right, that's why you wanted me to credit LaVolpe... you would credit him... go figure.
pleeeeaaasseee! spare us the tantrum (and I mean it figuratively and not that you are ACTUALLY having a tantrum if you can grasp the concept) 'if' blanco would have been on your team perhaps you would have won, perhaps not. Like I said Mexico played a great game, but to claim you would have definately won is the mark of bitterness which you clearly are full of.I hate playing the 'if' game, but 'if' Blanco had been on that squad... your team would have been the odd man out... But because LaVolpe couldn't put his childish ego aside, he ended up hurting his chances... ohh but his son-in-law just had to be on the team... pathetic... or should I say political.
This is what you saidNote I said Mexico's DEFENDERS.... our offense was about as futile as yours.
if our superstars did nothing against Mexico then how come Mexico didn't win? you can sugarcoat it all you want but what you are diong here is 'crying'. Its true Mexico could have won, which doesn't mean you deserved to win more than us. Also, its bull that Mexico made it look easy... pfff easy my ass, you suffered as much as we did. As you're so fond of putting it Mexico has a tendency of playing down to their opponents level, well guess what, so does Argentina.Your superstars did nothing against Mexico... absolutely nothing... it took a miraculous goal by Maxi to bail you all out... Our defenders constantly stole the ball from your midfielders and strikers and made it look easy...
Now who is the one blowing out of proportion?? so now if I don't think the Mexican team has supertars I'm saying they are mediocre?? give me a break! You demanding respect that you should be earning instead. When your players start achieving the success needed to become superstars then they'll be regarded as such.Nevertheless by your logic, Argentina's so called 'superstars' should be able to run circles around Mexico's mediocre players... so either your superstars are not really super, or you would need to deservedly credit Mexico's players. Which is it???
thats right, you haven't done , and neither have your 'stars', so until they do, stop demanding respect. Yes, the day might come when Mexico knocks Argentina off of some tournament, no doubt about it, and that STILL won't make your players superstars. WIN A TOURNAMENT once in a while and THEN we'll talk.I know you will refuse to do the latter... And unfortunately, I realize that I can't really substantiate anything I've said in this thread until Mexico can prove it with a victory. But it won't be long before Mexico knocks Argentina off of some tournament... it's coming. Mexico's U-17 World Championship is a positive sign of that.
By the way, I'm laughing my ass off you having to resort to an under-17 tournament in hopes that maybe then you could beat us
I see, and what about our side? what about all the Argentina shots that could have been goals and weren't? but I guess you only see the ball when a Mexican is kicking it. I can count 4 times where we could have scored and didn't. Let's not forget the ref disallowed a goal that was ACTUALLY a legit goal, so if you want to play the 'if' game, we should start there.Oh and the stats you pointed out don't paint the complete picture... Argentina started making time after Maxi's goal and swung the possesion percentage around... but during the regulation period Mexico played at their tempo... not Argentina's. And I can think of about 3 plays that would have ended with Mexican shots on goal that were instead killed by desperation Argentinean fouls... The Scaloni one on Zinha was atrocious (after he had zig-zaged through 5 Argentineans) as was the Heinz foul on Castro...
you're right, I haven't followed Gaitan as of late, although I doubt he could have improved enough to outplay Cambiasso. Delgado had a chance to shine on our national league and he didn't, instead he went to Mexico where he is now regarded as a star (what does that tell you?), and although I do believe he is good enough to be considered for our national team, to say that he was overlooked simply because here in Argentina we don't care about Mexican football is stupid and frankly coming from you homerism at its highest denomination.True... that is a matter of opinion, I won't deny it. But I'm not saying this to suit my argument... I honestly believe Gaitan and Delgado to be better players than Cambiasso... Also, I seriously doubt that you have seen enough of Gaitan's play lately to even compare the two objectively.
And you very well know that an important aspect of a player's exposure also includes a 'what have you done for me lately' attribute. Argentina doesn't get it with Chelito anymore... which is why he has faded from their preference... and not because somehow he has lost his talent, at the prime of his career no less.
That's what it boils down to and I know it... I've always said it... That you feel I'm trying to claim otherwise is unsubstantiated.
But go ahead and gloat... it shows your true colors... Kick a man while he's down you arrogant jerk.
"Ohhh no, but Argentineans are not arrogant, it's not true, you're wrong about us".... baloney... you do little to disuade my original perception that most Argentineans are much like you and Scaloni and less like Manu or Saviola...By the way, I'm laughing my ass off you having to resort to an under-17 tournament in hopes that maybe then you could beat us
I said it was a start. I didn't claim it would happen overnight. On a side note, where did Argentina place in that tournament?
I don't remember the Mexican side resorting to desperation fouls after being beat defensively... The Argentineans did... several times. And if they got away with that style kudos to them... that's the way soccer is.
I have the game TiVo'd but I really don't need to see it again to call 'bull' on your tally... And I'm no homer or else I wouldn't criticize the team as I do.
OK let's... but how about we rewind 35 minutes to the point where Argentina ends up with 10 men... at that point in the game Mexico had 55% ball possesion to Argentina's 45%. I can't predict what would have happened... All I know is Argentina was given as big a break at that point of the game as Mexico was with the nullified goal later... because it allowed you to get back into the flow of the game. And had you all been left with only 10 men, that would have been close to impossible. But what's in the past is done... and I'm over it.
I just don't understand your reluctance to give credit where credit is due...
Thanks to you Germany now has another fan.
Go Deutchland!!!
One last thing... If you feel compelled to defend European football's well do ented racism, or ignore the impact that said prejudices bear on others... don't assume you have it all figured out, or that others are just making it up... be part of the solution not part of the problem.
Read Hugo Sanchez' autobiography...
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