Yes. Fleming will be our big Bowen+. He made more than 100 three-pointers this season. This is a sample large enough to conclude that it will likely transfer to NBA. His fit with Spurs will be perfect. We don't need him to do much more than hitting the open 3s, defending the bigs, chasing the smalls, slashing to the hoop.
If it's of any interest, Fleming had a terrible end to the season. In 1 NIT game and the 3 games in the conference tourney,:
4 games Averaged
30 min
8 points
8 rebounds
27.8% from the field (10-36)
16.7% from 3. (3-18)
0.5 assists
1.25 got
1 steal
1.25 blocks
Not exactly showing up big when needed
If he showed up for these 4 games, we would have to draft him at #8, thus would lose Jaku or Kon.
I’m still a big CMB fan tbh. Just having a defensive presence like that with high IQ who can also score and playmake out of the post would be huge for the Spurs. If only the shooting was a little better.
If we take CMB at 8 then you almost have to go shooting with the next pick whether it be McNeeley, Carter Bryant, maybe even Fleming.
If you take CMB and Fleming I wonder if you could eventually soak up 48 minutes at the 4 spot with the two of them, then give Fleming the backup 5 minutes and pair him with Sochan or CMB at the 4 to maintain the defense and have some rim protection.
I know nothing about the player, but if their analysis is right seems like a great target for the ATL pick.
I get the need at back up C, but I feel those are the revolving door guys you get in free agency— not the draft. I’m always gonna be partial to the wings personally, and swinging on as many as possible in the draft (I think the spurs are too btw). It is the defining position in the league right now.
This reads a lot like what people thought about Sochan when he was drafted. I know the defense has been harped on (and has translated), but his passing was also heavily emphasized as part of his appeal. That hasn't manifested at all.
With that said, CMB is a much better on-ball player than Sochan, so his passing/feel should be better than Jeremy
Part of the issue I have in trying to evaluate players in this draft is that it is not at all clear what our team iden y is going to be. Are we going to be a team based around hard nosed, lock down defense? CMB makes more sense if that is the case. Are we going to go towards a more modern offense? Is our team iden y to just be nice guys? This all goes back to the uncertainty around the Pop situation. It makes team building quite difficult.
Yea there are similarities I agree but also differences. Plus it’s hard to project rate of improvement.
Even the shooting aspect. CMB FT% is .707 while sochan was .589.
Rebounds and assists are similar per 36.
CMB much better scorer, got to the line more, is more physical. More blocked shots.
CMB was also a year older and sop re but didn’t get to play much as a freshman.
This will be a very telling offseason, no doubt. It feels very risky to not have the coaching job locked down. My worst fear is that Pop is unable to return but doesn't capitulate until it's too late and we lose out on the available coaches.
My second biggest fear is that Pop does coach and we get the crazy like Sochan at PG and Branham seeing the floor and no backup center. And no starting center. And he admonishes the paying fans for booing. And he overplays KJ and Vassell. This might've just become my biggest fear, btw.
I could also see us trading these picks on surer bets or for future picks unless they are really high on someone in this draft. No way they pick up 3 players.
I thought i had Carter Bryant higher than everybody else out there (10), but #6 is a good bit higher than anything else I've seen.
I think Wright is drifting away from soft nice guys and trying to find guys who play hard. But really hard to say. They seem ok with upside players who need to refine their shooting. But we might be in a new stage. Yeah, so no idea.
Yeah, at the end of the day talent wins out but where we are picking there may be multiple options where talent is equal and fit comes into play. How can we possibly evaluate fit when we don't even know what our system and iden y will be? Hopefully that is all sorted before the draft and our new coach has an opportunity to weigh in on the draft.
i like bryant a lot but 6 is a ridiculous spot for him tbh
Like you, I'm going to wait for combine measurements to come out - I'm interested in his height, but most importantly a) wingspan and b) max reach (standing reach + max vertical). But if those numbers check out (6'7.5-6'8" in shoes, 7'1-7'2 wingspan, etc), I think there's a legitimate argument to be made that he's a comparable prospect to Scottie Barnes both stylistically and in quality.
then you have to ask yourself if you stylistically think scottie barnes is somebody that would work well with wemby, fox, castle
The way I see it, I'm always going to take the better player even if the fit is trickier. In the ideal situation, both Castle and CMB shoot credibly well and you have two well rounded two way stars that you can build from. I can always get 3 and D players later in the draft or in free agency, and I'm drafting for 4-5 years down the road so I don't really care that much about the fit with an age 32 Fox who may very well be declining by that time. I don't really expect rookies to become high leverage starters for 3-4 years on average, so any improvements in the Fox era with regards to starters should come from trades and free agency.
If we directly compare CMB to Fleming, I think that it is more likely that CMB can become a Barnes than Fleming can become a Camara. And if at that point the fit is tricky and Castle has truly blown up but still has a very questionable shot, I think most teams in the league would give up a Camara for a Barnes. It's different from the way you approach things I know, but I'm taking talent over fit in the draft a vast majority of the time.
My first choice is to trade this pick for at least Keegan Murray. The team is starved for that big wing at the 4 second only to a point guard. A lot of development time is wasted on Barnes and Cedi.
JT Toppin could be one of the more underrated players in the mock drafts. in fact, he is all over the place, from late lottery (nbadraft.net at 14) to mid 2nd round. (Givoney has him at #42).
so, I try to look at it that way: what if he was a freshman? where would he be ranked?
this season he played on a new team in a new (much better) conference.
he is still only 19, same age, or even younger, than some high ranked freshmen are.
he was the best player on a very good team, won Big 12 player of the year and he delivered big time in the tournament. (yes, I know, 0-5 from the line vs. Florida don't look good)
so, if Newell and CMB are discussed in the late lottery, shouldn't Toppin be there as well?
That and, what are the priorities in free agency? I’m a fan of getting big man help in FA over drafting it (cycle through those guys), and then continuing to take swings at the wing (basically to upgrade the Dev position over time).
You do understand that De’Aaron Fox is a PG, right?
Might have been referring to SAC?
He ended with a comment about Cedi and Barnes, so…?
Is there statistical evidence that a C or combo big works with Wemby? All evidence upto this point is the opposite. Barnes is a wing and Sochan is a true perimeter defender. Mamu minutes are mostly on favorable conditions. Zollins, Bassey and Barlow are like -20 between them with Wemby. Gobert had to be staggered except with a favorable matchup with Embiid. Do we go from unplayable to great with CMB or Sorber or Pleghming or Wolf. Does anybody know if he is positive with the small C he played with in the olympics?
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